Are Encore pilots aware they are accepting 705 wages below PC-12 & King Air captain rates?

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Are Encore pilots aware they are accepting 705 wages below PC-12 & King Air captain rates?

Yes - Like the new agreement
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Re: Are Encore pilots aware they are accepting 705 wages below PC-12 & King Air captain rates?

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goingnowherefast wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 3:24 am
dontcallmeshirley wrote: Mon Apr 15, 2024 7:40 pm
goingnowherefast wrote: Mon Apr 15, 2024 6:15 pm Encore's pay went from, by far the worst Q400 pay in north america to tied for the worst Q400 pay in north america. Porter's base pay was good 8 months ago, but has since fallen to the bottom. That's what Encore chose to copy? :roll:
I'm sad to let you know that Porter has the highest Q400 pay that I am aware of in Canada. However, Encore matching it isn't a win as it's lipstick on a pig.
Copied from the Encore AIP Thread viewtopic.php?t=213339&start=20
yowflyer23 wrote: Wed Apr 10, 2024 4:39 pm I was hoping for better than this. It's great that the contract has seen language improvements and other gains, but the pay seems like a missed opportunity in the current environment.

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Thanks to yowflyer23, it's easy see where each regional airline's base pay stacks up. Sure the hourly rate is is, by a narrow margin, highest. However, by a wide margin on MMG, it's the lowest base pay.


Can yowflyer23 update the table to include Canadian North's & Wasaya's 2025 captain scales ?

Encore, Jazz & Porter are behind their 2025 captain rates by $15 - $20k & they inflate by $6k per year

Is ALPA in this to pattern bargain?
Encore pilots can't accept below $130k for the pattern bargain process. :!:
Do Encore pilots know?

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Encore’s pay increase in negotiations similar to the increase at Jazz when Jazz pilots not even bargaining

Jazz had to increase pilot salaries to retain pilots

Encore matches Jazz & Porter even without negotiating

Are Encore pilots going to waste the ability to negotiate once in 4 years?
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When is this getting voted on? is there an update?
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Landingstrip wrote: Mon Apr 29, 2024 9:29 am When is this getting voted on? is there an update?
Vote closes May 10.
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Does anyone know when the Jazz and Porter pay scales came in effect?

From my understanding the Encore proposals had already been tabled when the Jazz and Porter pay scales were released.
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Bede wrote: Mon May 06, 2024 5:27 am Does anyone know when the Jazz and Porter pay scales came in effect?

From my understanding the Encore proposals had already been tabled when the Jazz and Porter pay scales were released.
Porter Q payscale was last adjusted in February. Encores proposed rates are identical minus a few steps chopped off
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Bede wrote: Mon May 06, 2024 5:27 am Does anyone know when the Jazz and Porter pay scales came in effect?

From my understanding the Encore proposals had already been tabled when the Jazz and Porter pay scales were released.
Jazz was in effect September
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FishermanIvan wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 10:52 am If that’s true, Encore’s top pay rate for Q400 captains is my base pay for year 1 ATR Captain at 5T.
In YFB or YZF or rotating thru. There's a premium for everything in the North.
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Re: Are Encore pilots aware they are accepting 705 wages below PC-12 & King Air captain rates?

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bobcaygeon wrote: Mon May 06, 2024 8:23 pm
FishermanIvan wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 10:52 am If that’s true, Encore’s top pay rate for Q400 captains is my base pay for year 1 ATR Captain at 5T.
In YFB or YZF or rotating thru. There's a premium for everything in the North.
We all make the same.
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So what's encore current pay if one would join now?
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