MEC pay

[Lt. Daniel Kaffee]

Wow....after all the bellyaching and whinging and gnashing of teeth about the old MEC, the current MEC decides to pay itself 85 hrs per month (with room to grow maybe up to 98 hrs), to align itself with the ALPA norm...because the MEC work doesn't vary month to month....

the hypocrisy is unbelievable.

[goingnowherefast]

That's a pretty ignorant post. Those guys and girls are working their asses off. To earn those 85 or 98 credits, it's probably 200+ hours of work.

If they were buying out their whole month, slacking off and doing a terrible job, then I'd agree. However, they seem to be hard at work doing an excellent job. The whole industry is watching the ACA MEC and negotiating process. The effects of this contract will affect the whole industry. The MEC seems to know this and is producing results that I'm happy with. Hopefully that results in a world class contract.

[kiaszceski]

Wow....after all the bellyaching and whinging and gnashing of teeth about the old MEC, the current MEC decides to pay itself 85 hrs per month (with room to grow maybe up to 98 hrs), to align itself with the ALPA norm...because the MEC work doesn't vary month to month....

the hypocrisy is unbelievable.

You're an ACPA guy, aren't you?

[RippleRock]

Kaffee is an angry former "know it all" ACPA LEC Troll.

Just look at his pathetic Avatar. That "next level" arrogance.

Don't feed him and he'll go away for a while.

[unionism101]

Big difference in taking 85 hrs to promote MORE PAY vice taking 85 hrs to promote PAY CUTS

Or pushing for permanent concessions then going to management after

[jpilot77]

Big difference in taking 85 hrs to promote MORE PAY vice taking 85 hrs to promote PAY CUTS

Or pushing for permanent concessions then going to management after

100%!!!

[CPU2000]

Lt Dan,

How many former ACPA Reps are currently negotiating AGAINST the pilot group?

And how many ACPA Reps are wearing a lanyard to support their union right now?

Wasn't ACPA a union so wouldn't it be natural for them to be unionists thus under the importance of showing solidarity?

Or...

[Transition9er2]

Wow....after all the bellyaching and whinging and gnashing of teeth about the old MEC, the current MEC decides to pay itself 85 hrs per month (with room to grow maybe up to 98 hrs), to align itself with the ALPA norm...because the MEC work doesn't vary month to month....

the hypocrisy is unbelievable.

Hahahaha

What a Nerd!

[Canadaflyer46]

Extra pay is fine. But people should start demanding to see results. This is Canada, negotiations can’t drag on for years like in the US. Kick Kaplan out the first day they can, and do the strike vote.

[RippleRock]

Agreed.

My opinion,
The distain the Flt Ops negotiating team is displaying toward us is toxic and disrespectful. Foot dragging aplenty with new hires struggling to keep food on the table, and living in fear of a commute.

Time to put our reasonable demands on the table and walk out. They are familiar with every article by now, and agreed to only 6 or 7 out of more than 30. They are "industry standard" demands, no more, no less.

After two decades of raping and pillaging our WACON, making literally hundreds of millions directly off our backs, it's time to pay up. They have shuttled enough $$$ into personal bonuses and into shareholder bank accounts and out the door. They know for a fact this "money printing" one-way relationship couldn't last forever.

I'm ready to walk out tomorrow for 6 weeks...how about you?

Expect a lockout in early October. Be ready.

HOLD THE LINE.

[altiplano]

Big difference here.

Microphone Mike cut all of our pay with one stroke of his pen and then with the next stroke topped himself back up to 83 hours all while doing nothing from the safety of his covid lockdown. And he hid it and denied it, even when his internal memo leaked.

Here we have full transparency from leadership that has aligned itself with the very bottom of ALPA policy guidelines with regards to leadership pay levels.

On top of that we have the cheapest MEC Chair that I have ever seen during my time here... 5th or 6th year NB FO pay. Whereas previously we had mostly WB CAs and a couple NB CAs that were short lived.

And despite that low cost from this leadership, look at the work that has been achieved in the last 17 months:
- ALPA represented
- full committee overhaul
- full new governance and policy manual
- Communications overhaul
- Podcast
- Social media presence
- pilot unity events around the country
- multiple pickets
- full contract comparison
- multiple surveys
- FULL NEGOTS with real expectations for this pilot group

I have seen more from my association in the past year than I have seen from them in my entire career, through multiple leaders, multiple governance structures, multiple negots cycles. There are many that are a part of it, but the buck stops at the top and it's our MEC Chair that drives it. The value for the membership here is immense.

[RippleRock]

Well said. Charlene's team is worth every dime, no doubt.

Yet "Microphone Mike" has the pure audacity to show his face once again. I will say one thing about the guy, he has no clue when we've just "had enough". He has NO AUDIENCE. You think he'd have got that damn message long ago. Nope.

He's not remotely as smart as he wanted us to think he was.

[RippleRock]

Futher, it's also wonderful to hear that she's setting up a "fact team" to present any TA that may evolve. That is --UNHEARD OF-- in the ACPA era. More like they had a "spin team" to sell us a turd and tell us it was chocolate pudding.

Anyone who had anything to do with that abomination of an association is eating hard crow right now.

What a breath of fresh air......imagine "honestly presenting the facts of a TA to the Membership devoid of a "sell job". The concept of actually weighing Pros and Cons on our own??? What??? Are we smart enough for that??? Like what friggin planet are we on right now???



That putrid stench that was ACPA had better be burried deep and stay there.

[JustaCanadian]

Anyone who thinks it's to much credit should step up and apply for a job in ALPA. Then you can tell us how overpaid you are and they can make the changes necessary to pay you less.

[ClarkG]

ACPA was truly despicable

[deadpoetssociety]

Wow....after all the bellyaching and whinging and gnashing of teeth about the old MEC, the current MEC decides to pay itself 85 hrs per month (with room to grow maybe up to 98 hrs), to align itself with the ALPA norm...because the MEC work doesn't vary month to month....

the hypocrisy is unbelievable.

Kaffee,

Which is your favorite part of ACPA? (Rank in order)


1) ACPA MEC - gave themselves DSC top up while 600 were on the street - continue to lie about it to this day. Allowed management to vet and approve ALL association communications.

2) ACPA Vacation/CMSC Chair - 8-10 days of displacement a month to basically call members and remind them to bid, all while having no idea how many furloughs we actually had (too busy pumping iron to read his own committee's data)

3) YWG Chair - Had to return the giant flat screen TV he expensed "for zoom meetings" after he got recalled by the membership.

Architect of best fit and cargo pay cut, now a training captain. Look for his Best Fit Co-conspirator handing out t-shirts on management special assignment at your next Calgary Flames game.

4) ACPA CEO - flew in J class positive space and took his AC management pension while "advocating for pilots" - the lowest paid legacy pilots in the industry.

5) ACPA MEC Chair - prolific shill who dined regularly with management, presumably to discuss how to continue suppressing wages and stifling democratic unionism. Shocker, they didn't buy his app in the end and now he's just a very lonely widebody captain looking for tables for 1 in Europe.

6) YVR Chair - averaged 60hrs of line flying a year for most of his tenure including 6 yrs of not turning a wheel - I guess too busy visiting his YVR Condo (expensed).

[CaptDukeNukem]

Wow....after all the bellyaching and whinging and gnashing of teeth about the old MEC, the current MEC decides to pay itself 85 hrs per month (with room to grow maybe up to 98 hrs), to align itself with the ALPA norm...because the MEC work doesn't vary month to month....

the hypocrisy is unbelievable.

Kaffee,

Which is your favorite part of ACPA? (Rank in order)


1) ACPA MEC - gave themselves DSC top up while 600 were on the street - continue to lie about it to this day. Allowed management to vet and approve ALL association communications.

2) ACPA Vacation/CMSC Chair - 8-10 days of displacement a month to basically call members and remind them to bid, all while having no idea how many furloughs we actually had (too busy pumping iron to read his own committee's data)

3) YWG Chair - Had to return the giant flat screen TV he expensed "for zoom meetings" after he got recalled by the membership.

Architect of best fit and cargo pay cut, now a training captain. Look for his Best Fit Co-conspirator handing out t-shirts on management special assignment at your next Calgary Flames game.

4) ACPA CEO - flew in J class positive space and took his AC management pension while "advocating for pilots" - the lowest paid legacy pilots in the industry.

5) ACPA MEC Chair - prolific shill who dined regularly with management, presumably to discuss how to continue suppressing wages and stifling democratic unionism. Shocker, they didn't buy his app in the end and now he's just a very lonely widebody captain looking for tables for 1 in Europe.

6) YVR Chair - averaged 60hrs of line flying a year for most of his tenure including 6 yrs of not turning a wheel - I guess too busy visiting his YVR Condo (expensed).

[cjp]

You can expense a condo as an ACPA rep?

[Mrs. Andry]

Wow....after all the bellyaching and whinging and gnashing of teeth about the old MEC, the current MEC decides to pay itself 85 hrs per month (with room to grow maybe up to 98 hrs), to align itself with the ALPA norm...because the MEC work doesn't vary month to month....

the hypocrisy is unbelievable.

Kaffee,

Which is your favorite part of ACPA? (Rank in order)


1) ACPA MEC - gave themselves DSC top up while 600 were on the street - continue to lie about it to this day. Allowed management to vet and approve ALL association communications.

2) ACPA Vacation/CMSC Chair - 8-10 days of displacement a month to basically call members and remind them to bid, all while having no idea how many furloughs we actually had (too busy pumping iron to read his own committee's data)

3) YWG Chair - Had to return the giant flat screen TV he expensed "for zoom meetings" after he got recalled by the membership.

Architect of best fit and cargo pay cut, now a training captain. Look for his Best Fit Co-conspirator handing out t-shirts on management special assignment at your next Calgary Flames game.

4) ACPA CEO - flew in J class positive space and took his AC management pension while "advocating for pilots" - the lowest paid legacy pilots in the industry.

5) ACPA MEC Chair - prolific shill who dined regularly with management, presumably to discuss how to continue suppressing wages and stifling democratic unionism. Shocker, they didn't buy his app in the end and now he's just a very lonely widebody captain looking for tables for 1 in Europe.

6) YVR Chair - averaged 60hrs of line flying a year for most of his tenure including 6 yrs of not turning a wheel - I guess too busy visiting his YVR Condo (expensed).

[Savage Poetry]

Doing a great job? How do we know this? We have seen zero articles so far. I will judge when the TA comes out.
As for their pay increase, it's BS. The regular member is working on a stale work contract, they have given themselves a raise before the membership.
This is after they gave away the summer to the company for releases.
Old ACPA, New ALPA.... We will judge when the TA comes out. But for now, the union is taking care of the union before the union is taking care of the members. Same old song for now.

[Fanblade]

Doing a great job? How do we know this? We have seen zero articles so far. I will judge when the TA comes out.
As for their pay increase, it's BS. The regular member is working on a stale work contract, they have given themselves a raise before the membership.
This is after they gave away the summer to the company for releases.
Old ACPA, New ALPA.... We will judge when the TA comes out. But for now, the union is taking care of the union before the union is taking care of the members. Same old song for now.

No one gave away summer. It was impasse in January and lockout in April OR the current MOA.

The releases were required. Flight ops management basically stopped them after the MOA resignations. People were burning out on your behalf. Which by the way was strategic on the company side.

Why do I get the sense that some people, albeit a small fraction, actually want this MEC to fail?

[Mr. North]

Some people just want to watch the world burn I guess!

Fanblade is correct, job action during the summer was never an option. We could have been on the picket line today, with zero improvements to our contractual language, narrowly arguing over pay improvements. Or employ mediation to (hopefully) secure better language and negotiate pay in the fall. I'm glad this MEC didn't take the bait.

People like to throw stones, thinking the best way to negotiate is by pounding our fist on the table or throwing a tantrum. That couldn't be further from the truth. In reality it is a long and protracted process with plenty of complexities along the way. I want the pilots flying my family to be well rested and compensated, and I expect the same of my MEC as they negotiate the future of my career. This isn't like the previous administration under ACPA. Negotiating paycuts and furloughs while topping up their own, doing little to no work from the comforts of their cottages. The difference between ACPA and ALPA is lost on no one. But all the improvements to our representation didn't just appear from a vacuum or by changing the letterhead. These people are working their asses off for YOU. Even though negotiations can be long and stressful for the membership, it's critical we stay united and engaged.

Wear the red lanyard, do the surveys, and show up when asked.

[FNGYYZ]

Doing a great job? How do we know this? We have seen zero articles so far. I will judge when the TA comes out.
As for their pay increase, it's BS. The regular member is working on a stale work contract, they have given themselves a raise before the membership.
This is after they gave away the summer to the company for releases.
Old ACPA, New ALPA.... We will judge when the TA comes out. But for now, the union is taking care of the union before the union is taking care of the members. Same old song for now.

Let me guess, you haven't listened to a single podcast yet

First thing, this is a union which means it's all of ours. So this "I will judge when the TA comes out" has to be one of stupidest fucking things a member could say

The fuel of a union is membership engagement so if we all just wait around with thumbs up our asses you are shooting your own union in the foot

The MEC's biggest leverage is unity among the membership. Guns should be outwards. Not inwards. You should be wearing your lanyard, attending informational pickets, be at meetings, and having productive engaging conversations your crews and union leaders.

You haven't noticed the completely new tone, direction from the onslaught of newsletters, town halls, meetings, podcasts, unity events, and a DART system which puts you in direct contact with your union?

ACPA was a dumpsterfire. Any TA from ACPA would have been an embarrassment to what this pilot group deserves. Full stop

[eurotrash]

Doing a great job? How do we know this? We have seen zero articles so far. I will judge when the TA comes out.
As for their pay increase, it's BS. The regular member is working on a stale work contract, they have given themselves a raise before the membership.
This is after they gave away the summer to the company for releases.
Old ACPA, New ALPA.... We will judge when the TA comes out. But for now, the union is taking care of the union before the union is taking care of the members. Same old song for now.

Lol...the ONLY thing that matters is the TA. Obviously hugely important but you haven't noticed the completely different way of doing business?

ACPA...LOL!!!

[RRJetPilot]

ACPA was the worst thing to happen to Canadian Aviation in all of history. What a change.