For Encore pilots - What are your TA Suggestions?

[HFNav]

Share your suggestions below for Encore & others

1. Deadheading improvements

100% Deadhead pay - No cost to the company if they reduce the number of deadheads. But if the company selects to close a base, to reduce the company costs, then some of those reduced costs should go to compensating the extra time pilots spend at work on deadheads at 100% of their hourly rate.

While deadheading, pilots are at work and should be paid 100% for the hours.

If the company doesn’t want to pay it, then stop the deadheads.
No accepting a TA without 100% deadhead compensation

150% deadhead pay for middle seat deadheads.

150% deadhead pay for travel between 12 am & 6 am.

150% deadhead pay for ground transportation trips

Business class deadheads for any flight over 4 hours

Deadhead paid for time pre & post flight similar to the active crew

If the company fails to book a Deadhead correctly, which results in a rescheduled Deadhead, the pilot is entitled to overtime pay

If the company doesn’t want these deadheading costs, then they shouldn’t build schedules with these types of deadheads

2. Min daily average for pairings and training: Increased to 5:15 - the new standard in the US

1:1 pay for flight time & the for post & pre-flight duties

1:1 pay for training & distance learning & office duties

1:2 pay for all other duty time airport check-in to airport check-out

Unaugmented long duty day Add Pay: 1:1 for every minute on duty over 10 hours – as done at United

1:3 trip rig – 1 hour pay for every 3 hours outside the airport, while on pairing

Pilot brought in for a Disciplinary Interview on a day off provided minimum 3 hours flight pay

Reassignments away from Base – 150% premium for the trip, 200% if pilot agrees to return more than five hours late

Delay Pay – On the final leg of a pairing, after two hours delayed, pilots receive one minute pay for each additional two minutes late

No assigned flying into a day off for any pilot, neither Bid Block Holder nor Reserve.

Pilots can advertise for Pilot-to-Pilot trips that they are seeking

Golden Days Off (GDOs): Each pilot will receive six GDOs (no pay or credit) to use in blocks of two or three on a first come, first serve basis

Pilots can drop to 60 hours

Additional day off in a 31-day month.


3. Pay & Per diem indexed to inflation

February CPI in Alberta was 4.2%

February Shelter or housing CPI was 6.5%

All pay rates in the TA indexed to the higher of 6.5% or shelter CPI rates

Per diems increased to 2024 hotel meal rates
Per diem automatically indexed to the CPI for food & to any increased HST taxes



4. Reserved seats for commuters

No jumpseating. Company buys you a confirmed ticket to and from work. No airport fees, no CATSA fees.

The company’s costs are reduced by not having multiple city bases or ports. Some of these reduced costs should be shared with the pilots who are commuting unpaid for the company’s benefit.

No more standby or jumpseatingwhen trying to get to work.

Not having to wonder if the guy in 3A is gonna show up so you can get home on an oversold flight on the last flight of the day is a massive quality of life improvement.

See the Atlas commuting policy.

5. Hotels for commuters & reserve rules


Company paid hotels in base, before/after trips and while on reserve

This is the new standard across much of US and Air Canada pilots are pushing.

No crash pads. And they buy you all hotels in base, regardless if youre sitting reserve or showing up for a trip.

The airline pays for passenger hotels when there are delays or overbooking. Why not ensure the pilots are well rested and ready for work.

14 hour long call reserve


6. A commitment to a contractual no interview four-year flow to WestJet, similar to Piedmont

Pilots who do not flow after completing four full years of service will move to top of scale Captain pay
Years of service credit for pay, benefits & vacation when flowing to Westjet


There are ALPA contracts pilots should review & summaries

Some of these links were already shared on avcanada

https://aerocrewnews.com/compare/nmLZiEBwiZAR/

https://www.alpa.org/ala/-/media/ALA/fi ... G92322.pdf

https://pilotpathfinder.com/united-pilo ... -analysis/

https://aerocrewnews.com/wp-content/upl ... nes-TA.pdf


Share your suggestions below for Encore & others

[HFNav]

Pilots need to know what they are striking for

Even if Canadian pilots can’t get US pay

The working conditions, reserve rules, commuter policies, hours of work and deadheading pay should match the best in the US


Be ready for a lockout & don’t give in, Encore pilots have support from many others

You voted 97% for a strike

Stick together & show this industry what pilots are worth

Share your suggestions below for Encore & others

[HFNav]

From encore sub forum

Have encore pilots seen the Air Canada plan posted
http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopic.php?t=206901


This TA's similar to what was being discussed in the meter reader post
http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopi ... 8#p1239838


This Wasaya ATR scale was posted. Would encore pilots accept less.

The Wasaya scale above shows the base pay & can be increased by 12,000 for additional mileage pay

Wasaya 705 starting pay in 2025 is $130,000 & the pilots scheduled 15 days a month

[HFNav]

Many points in favor of Encore pilots obtaining large gains.

Ability to strike without being declared essential

Ability to strike without replacement workers

Updated federal labor laws protecting bargaining

Federal liberals & ndp which let previous strikes run for months

Encore already achieved gains comparable to Jazz & porter

High WJ & industry profits

New bag fees which increase WJ $

Previous demonstration by WJ management to make large changes, including the merger of Swoop & Sunwing

Large support from other pilots at WJ, AC & others demonstrated at their last picket

Many example contracts in the US, the Encore pilots can copy

A complete lack of experienced pilots to captain q400s

Hiring bonuses at porter & other companies looking for experienced 705 first officers

Large gains industry wide – including Wasaya having 2025 salaries $30,000 higher than Encore’s current AIP

An upcoming long weekend, with massive pressure on the company to budge



The MEC needs to lay down large demands & not quit.
It’s the company’s fault for being so behind on working conditions, it’s their turn to make large steps for the pilots.

The MEC doesn't need to spend its time negotiating on items like 100% deadhead, 5:15 minimum credit & commuter hotels which are a new standard in ALPA contracts.

[JBI]

You're doing a good job negotiating with yourself.

The questions you should be asking are:

What are you willing to remain locked out for? What are you willing to remain on strike for?

If you got everything you wanted but not "150% deadhead pay for middle seats" would you still remain off of work?

How long are you willing to stay at Encore for without additional terms/conditions before you decide to go to a different airline?

Having aspirations is all well and good, but if a work stoppage ends up happening, you'll have some even tougher questions to ask yourself.

[‘Bob’]

From encore sub forum

Have encore pilots seen the Air Canada plan posted
http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopic.php?t=206901


This TA's similar to what was being discussed in the meter reader post
http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopi ... 8#p1239838


This Wasaya ATR scale was posted. Would encore pilots accept less.

The Wasaya scale above shows the base pay & can be increased by 12,000 for additional mileage pay

Wasaya 705 starting pay in 2025 is $130,000 & the pilots scheduled 15 days a month

Textbook example of supply and demand.

If you want to make more money for less work, go to Wasaya. If you won’t, then you know why they pay more.

They know that the limp-wristed metrosexuals in YVR and YYC won’t leave their Teslas and Starbucks.

[rookiepilot]

They know that the limp-wristed metrosexuals in YVR and YYC won’t leave their Teslas and Starbucks.

…….that are also cheering on the NDP / Liberal dysfunctional coalition. Seems to fit, doesn’t it?

[rigpiggy]

I understand one x want to sell off encore a'la jazz. If they have flow everyone leaves and the price goes down. Need to build on flow with time served. Ie: every year after say 4 (just a number) your given mainline number and start your climb.

[flyinhigh]

I'm sorry are you actually thinking that anyone will take you serious by comparing United work rules to Encore.

Unaugmented long duty day Add Pay: 1:1 for every minute on duty over 10 hours – as done at United

No matter what the TA comes as, it is time to move on as you ARE going to be disappointed. Better yet, stand up, and run for office if you're that dishearten.

Also, Avcanada is not a survey with any weight so don't be surprised when it's not included with the official tabulation.

[Janitroll]

I'm sorry are you actually thinking that anyone will take you serious by comparing United work rules to Encore.

Unaugmented long duty day Add Pay: 1:1 for every minute on duty over 10 hours – as done at United

1 to 1 over 10 would discourage long duty
All pilots should want this

If its used at united, should be bargained for at encore

[Janitroll]

If you got everything you wanted but not "150% deadhead pay for middle seats" would you still remain off of work?

Removing middle seat deadheads simple for company to do and include in agreement

[Mac08]

No offense but like someone said, you want to compare Encore with United?

Westjet doesn't give a damn about Encore, go somewhere else like Air Canada and stop spending your life at Encore so you fly a 737 for a couple years. I think you guys should go back to posting sad mug shots on Instagram, maybe they'll listen.

[goingnowherefast]

Or go to United (or Delta, American, Southwest....)

[Janitroll]

No offense but like someone said, you want to compare Encore with United?

ALPA & most pilots want work conditions to match. Same airspace, airports & passengers
No difference needed between scheduling & work conditions at Encore & United

2010s US regionals had worse conditions than Canada, the US pilots fixed that in a few years of pattern bargaining

[Canadaflyer46]

No offense but like someone said, you want to compare Encore with United?

ALPA & most pilots want work conditions to match. Same airspace, airports & passengers
No difference needed between scheduling & work conditions at Encore & United

2010s US regionals had worse conditions than Canada, the US pilots fixed that in a few years of pattern bargaining

It’s hard to fix things when 47% of a pilot group thinks that embarrassing TA was good enough. A TA such as that wouldn’t have seen the light of day in the US. While I’ve previously expressed how disappointed I was that the Encore NC presented this offer to their pilots, I am hopeful that their newly opened Strike Centre is indicative of a tougher stance they’re taking with the company. I genuinely do not think any better offer will be forthcoming until a strike is hours away, just as was the case with WJ pilots last year. We’re all rooting for you! Best of luck.