Now is NOT the time for selfies or other "Look at me" Posts

[newlygrounded]

To all you social media crack junkies that need to post a selfie to get a hit of endorphins...

Now is not the time

I know some of us can't help ourselves with a photo in front of a Dreamliner and how "we made it"...unless that photo has a big red ass lanyard around your neck...don't post

Soon we will be telling our loved ones why we need to Strike while some us are being "I feel so lucky to be a NHL pilot" hinting at "my life is so great" - while being the lowest paid pilots in the industry

Just save your self gratification posts till after we got a proper contract

This isnt about YOU. This is about ALL OF US and the collective.

We don't need mixed messaging from PilotSteve or PilotCindy or PilotNoOneGivesaFuck on how great your life is. Let's be stoic and be pissed. We deserve more and for @#$! sakes, wear your UNION LANYARD

Support your union. Not your Instagram Likes

You can admit you're enjoy your job while at the same time being underpaid.

[MontrealCanucks]

To all you social media crack junkies that need to post a selfie to get a hit of endorphins...

Now is not the time

I know some of us can't help ourselves with a photo in front of a Dreamliner and how "we made it"...unless that photo has a big red ass lanyard around your neck...don't post

Soon we will be telling our loved ones why we need to Strike while some us are being "I feel so lucky to be a NHL pilot" hinting at "my life is so great" - while being the lowest paid pilots in the industry

Just save your self gratification posts till after we got a proper contract

This isnt about YOU. This is about ALL OF US and the collective.

We don't need mixed messaging from PilotSteve or PilotCindy or PilotNoOneGivesaFuck on how great your life is. Let's be stoic and be pissed. We deserve more and for @#$! sakes, wear your UNION LANYARD

Support your union. Not your Instagram Likes

You can admit you're enjoy your job while at the same time being underpaid.

You do that by WEARING YOUR LANYARD anytime your in uniform. Full stop. No excuses

[Vanguard]

If anything - the social media pilots should be wearing their Red lanyards proudly. If they are wearing it they stand for the union.

Stop creating these stupid posts when clearly most of the pilots seem to admit they don't understand the power of social media.

These are time wasting posts. Focus on the real issues.

[QKZXKV]

To all you social media crack junkies that need to post a selfie to get a hit of endorphins...

Now is not the time

I know some of us can't help ourselves with a photo in front of a Dreamliner and how "we made it"...unless that photo has a big red ass lanyard around your neck...don't post

Soon we will be telling our loved ones why we need to Strike while some us are being "I feel so lucky to be a NHL pilot" hinting at "my life is so great" - while being the lowest paid pilots in the industry

Just save your self gratification posts till after we got a proper contract

This isnt about YOU. This is about ALL OF US and the collective.

We don't need mixed messaging from PilotSteve or PilotCindy or PilotNoOneGivesaFuck on how great your life is. Let's be stoic and be pissed. We deserve more and for @#$! sakes, wear your UNION LANYARD

Support your union. Not your Instagram Likes

Thanks for the lol, needed it!

[flyingfool]

Unity is always an issue

Going to be tested here real quick

[C-GGGQ]

Got thanked for wearing my red lanyard as I boarded a deadhead. Didn’t have the heart to tell them I wasn’t AC.

[PostmasterGeneral]

Got thanked for wearing my red lanyard as I boarded a deadhead. Didn’t have the heart to tell them I wasn’t AC.

That’s why you were given thanks. Because you’re showing support despite not working there.

[C-GGGQ]

Got thanked for wearing my red lanyard as I boarded a deadhead. Didn’t have the heart to tell them I wasn’t AC.

That’s why you were given thanks. Because you’re showing support despite not working there.

Of course I swapped out my generic company one for the red union one the moment I got it. I’d have come to the pickets if I wasn’t in.…. Not Canada at the time. It’s such a small ask to wear a lanyard (that you need anyway)

[RippleRock]

What a ridiculous / childish string. Someone posting a picture of themselves with a nice cool Jet, is not going to have an impact on collective bargaining.

Seeing Management Pilots doing the first Singapore Flight, without lanyards and heads are exploding.

Stand behind and support the MEC - pretty simple.

Really Stu? You have been here long enough to understand "heads exploding" or not. ..for real. No heads exploding, just pure dissappointment.

Those pilots had a clear opportunity to display to anyone who watched that video that they stood firm for WACON improvements after 20+ years of getting "rammed sideways" by the mother Corp. Every single pilot who wears a red lanyard, and watched that video noticed and heard their message loud that they were "A-OK" with the shit sandwich we have been forced to eat.

They had every opportunity to make a Company wide statement in that video. But no....why? Who the f*** knows. I guess shit is "A-OK" in their world.

I guess 4 year flat pay struggling to pay basic bills is OK for the new guys and gals, I guess no pension indexing isn't bothering them...who needs to keep up with inflation, shitty reserve rules screwing everyone, crappy daily credit with the ensuing 8:40 credit for 3 days away...cool, crappy vacation credit that makes zero sense, no commuter policy of any sort that ends you up with a meeting for the smallest transgression....standard ops, worst pay of any Legacy... PERIOD.....who cares, shitty per diems, even below FA's...no prob, 5 crossings a month.... family doesn't care if they miss their life.........on and on and on.

There is no excuse for NOT supporting the Negots Commitee with the Red Lanyard.

[goingnowherefast]

I assumed they were actual managers.

[RippleRock]

I assumed they were actual managers.

Not all were.

There seems to be a "double standard" for Managers...even junior ones. "Do not support the pilot group" seems the order of the day. Thing is, they will benefit from improvements just like we do.

Especially the MLO's. They are the "face of the Company" to line drivers. Is their message..."we don't support your interest in improving your quality of life in the face of rampant inflation and an ancient, out-dated set of work rules and pay?" Is that an OK message to the pilots from our MLO's? How do I trust a MLO guy or gal who says they "have my back", but don't display it? Most will likely be back on the line within two years and any "improvements" will be right there waiting for them. Seems to be an anti Union "hall pass" for these people.

I see check pilots wearing them. Are they Managers? Anyone who pays Union dues should be wearing one. No excuses.

[goingnowherefast]

Get the manager alone and over a beer, see what they think. I'd wager a lot of them are stuck and conflicted. Any gains the pilot group attains will significantly benefit them as well, and they know this. But if they openly support the union, they get fired because they're management and don't have union protection.

What they should do is quit management and go back to the line. Wear the damn lanyard. Then once the dust settles, go back into management. At least they can say they worked towards bettering their management jobs

[RippleRock]

Just like the line guys doing VO, I think they will be more than happy with the contract gains made on "other pilots resolve" and commitment to unity.

Worst case if a "manager gets fired" for wearing a red lanyard and supporting the pilots on flat pay who are -really struggling- to keep the lights on and their children fed....... its simply back to their six figure "line position". No biggie.

It really blows my mind that anyone would not visibly support this push for change. I guess making "a few grand a month take home" is just fine if it isn't them. Wearing a red lanyard tells everyone that an "unlivable wage" and crappy/unfair reserve rules for our new hires isn't acceptable.

We all make choices in what we think is right.

[Vanguard]

To all you social media crack junkies that need to post a selfie to get a hit of endorphins...

Now is not the time

I know some of us can't help ourselves with a photo in front of a Dreamliner and how "we made it"...unless that photo has a big red ass lanyard around your neck...don't post

Soon we will be telling our loved ones why we need to Strike while some us are being "I feel so lucky to be a NHL pilot" hinting at "my life is so great" - while being the lowest paid pilots in the industry

Just save your self gratification posts till after we got a proper contract

This isnt about YOU. This is about ALL OF US and the collective.

We don't need mixed messaging from PilotSteve or PilotCindy or PilotNoOneGivesaFuck on how great your life is. Let's be stoic and be pissed. We deserve more and for @#$! sakes, wear your UNION LANYARD

Support your union. Not your Instagram Likes

You can admit you're enjoy your job while at the same time being underpaid.

Probably a big pilotEm fan. Don’t get too triggered by her. No lanyard and a lot of selfies for attention — whatever, let her have it. Even I’m annoyed by the arrogance on that one based on what is said on the line — I don’t go on social a lot but have seen her profile via people.

But who cares really.


Enjoy the show peeps. It’s about to get very interesting. Focus on the big items and not these stupid posts.

[Mac08]

She’s on instagram saying she wants a world class contract yet can’t be seen with a lanyard. Surely she wants the contract more than attention from desperate guys on the internet drooling over her.

[JungleRiot]

She’s on instagram saying she wants a world class contract yet can’t be seen with a lanyard. Surely she wants the contract more than attention from desperate guys on the internet drooling over her.

She needs the attention her father never gave her

[Upgradeable]

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[yanbra]

One question. Who voted yes in favor of the flat pay?
Management?ACPA? Pilots?

[goingnowherefast]

Wasn't the last contract shoved down the pilots' throats by Lisa Raitt and her government passing back to work legislation?

[RippleRock]

One question. Who voted yes in favor of the flat pay?
Management?ACPA? Pilots?

ACPA had a history of "eating their own young". It's nothing new.

If you were on the property, you weren't subject to 4 years flat. Every pilot hired after the policy was written into the contract knew full well when hired that there were 4 year flat pay to look forward to.

It's disgusting what we have allowed to happen over the years. We were lead by a team of "bad apples" hot for Management recognition, or a Management position. These actors cojolled and manipulated the pilot group into what is the worst contract with worst contract language ever to exist. Whichever ACPA Chair or major commitee Chair who "unlocked the most value" from the pilot group was rewarded best. Every time we went in to "horse trade" we came back with a lame donkey.

It was almost a friggin race to see who could impliment the most costly concessions. The results of "unlocking that value" for those individuals are there for all to see. Plain as day. Some are sitting across the negotiating table with a seniority number on our list negotiating for our "contract adversary" against the interests of the very Membership they are a part of.

The Membership were complicit in allowing this "value" to be unlocked. Every time. Including 4 year flat. So the answer is ALL THREE.

Hopefully a lesson was learned there.

[altiplano]

If you were on the property, you weren't subject to 4 years flat.

Not totally true.

Every pilot on the property when FOS came down that was still in first 4 years pay steps and not on the 320/formula pay (ie. position group pilots - EMJ FOs and RPs) were stuck with 4 year flat pay also. It was a GF position group rate that was maybe $1 more than the fixed rate in years 3 & 4, unless you down bid then you lost the GF rate.

But there was no formula pay for those pilots if they held 320 FO or 767 FO or whatever else until year 5. Same as 4 year flat pay pilots.

[RippleRock]

If you were on the property, you weren't subject to 4 years flat.

Not totally true.

Every pilot on the property when FOS came down that was still in first 4 years pay steps and not on the 320/formula pay (ie. position group pilots - EMJ FOs and RPs) were stuck with 4 year flat pay also. It was a GF position group rate that was maybe $1 more than the fixed rate in years 3 & 4, unless you down bid then you lost the GF rate.

But there was no formula pay for those pilots if they held 320 FO or 767 FO or whatever else until year 5. Same as 4 year flat pay pilots.

I stand corrected.

Those were dark days. Concessions everywhere. Convoluted, easily misinterpreted language abounded.

It was a nasty time and we were sold out by three entities. Management, or own Union and our Membership.

Our biggest problem is that we're like a Beagle with bacon. Shiny new planes offered as bait, or the promise of a quick upgrade and we will blindly sign anything. Pathetic really.