Agreement in principle reached.

[Airbrake]

If you shop around, getting one for about $1200 isn't hard. I got my proflight a couple years ago for $1250. (non-Bluetooth) So yes, $575 is ROUGHLY half. If you just go and purchase direct from Bose, then yea... You're getting less than half back.

WestJet does NOT provide headsets. Phenix is, in fact, the one who is misinformed.

That’s argumentative. Provide and reimburse were used synonymously on the initial question, that’s why I didn’t bother detailing it. Seemed obvious that airlines were not shipping you a David Clark on hiring day.

It’s $575 every 5 years reimbursed, that includes repairs, and that is way too low unless WJ expects to have cockpits full of passive David Clark - which might have been the reasoning since that’s more or less the retail price. Hopefully WJAMEC manages to bring the numbers to what is actually spent.
You can always claim the difference on your taxes, even without a form since an aviation headset is obviously required for pilot work. But if the law says it’s the company’s responsibility to provide the required equipment (or provide money to buy it, to keep things clear), the burden shouldn’t fall on the taxpayers.

That’s absolutely ridiculous, the language for Jazz is a headset provided that is mutually agreed upon with the union and company. Current option is Bose(non Bluetooth) and DC pro, if they break, company fixes it or replaces it.
As for tax, if you claim an employment expense, the CRA asks for the …. Form, can’t remember the number but it will need to be signed by the company, otherwise during an audit it would be denied.
This is the first airline I’m hearing that does not provide the tools for the job, I’m sure there other others, so bush!

T2200, but CRA doesn’t accept headsets as tax deductions as of at least last year. I’ve discussed it with them for years. Because of that, WJ won’t sign T2200 as it is a known item that is not accepted.

[phenix]

If you shop around, getting one for about $1200 isn't hard. I got my proflight a couple years ago for $1250. (non-Bluetooth) So yes, $575 is ROUGHLY half. If you just go and purchase direct from Bose, then yea... You're getting less than half back.

WestJet does NOT provide headsets. Phenix is, in fact, the one who is misinformed.

That’s argumentative. Provide and reimburse were used synonymously on the initial question, that’s why I didn’t bother detailing it. Seemed obvious that airlines were not shipping you a David Clark on hiring day.

It’s $575 every 5 years reimbursed, that includes repairs, and that is way too low unless WJ expects to have cockpits full of passive David Clark - which might have been the reasoning since that’s more or less the retail price. Hopefully WJAMEC manages to bring the numbers to what is actually spent.
You can always claim the difference on your taxes, even without a form since an aviation headset is obviously required for pilot work. But if the law says it’s the company’s responsibility to provide the required equipment (or provide money to buy it, to keep things clear), the burden shouldn’t fall on the taxpayers.

That’s absolutely ridiculous, the language for Jazz is a headset provided that is mutually agreed upon with the union and company. Current option is Bose(non Bluetooth) and DC pro, if they break, company fixes it or replaces it.
As for tax, if you claim an employment expense, the CRA asks for the …. Form, can’t remember the number but it will need to be signed by the company, otherwise during an audit it would be denied.
This is the first airline I’m hearing that does not provide the tools for the job, I’m sure there other others, so bush!

I edited my message, too late apparently. My bad, I was wrong.
Peace

[ant_321]

If you shop around, getting one for about $1200 isn't hard. I got my proflight a couple years ago for $1250. (non-Bluetooth) So yes, $575 is ROUGHLY half. If you just go and purchase direct from Bose, then yea... You're getting less than half back.

WestJet does NOT provide headsets. Phenix is, in fact, the one who is misinformed.

That’s argumentative. Provide and reimburse were used synonymously on the initial question, that’s why I didn’t bother detailing it. Seemed obvious that airlines were not shipping you a David Clark on hiring day.

It’s $575 every 5 years reimbursed, that includes repairs, and that is way too low unless WJ expects to have cockpits full of passive David Clark - which might have been the reasoning since that’s more or less the retail price. Hopefully WJAMEC manages to bring the numbers to what is actually spent.
You can always claim the difference on your taxes, even without a form since an aviation headset is obviously required for pilot work. But if the law says it’s the company’s responsibility to provide the required equipment (or provide money to buy it, to keep things clear), the burden shouldn’t fall on the taxpayers.

That’s absolutely ridiculous, the language for Jazz is a headset provided that is mutually agreed upon with the union and company. Current option is Bose(non Bluetooth) and DC pro, if they break, company fixes it or replaces it.
As for tax, if you claim an employment expense, the CRA asks for the …. Form, can’t remember the number but it will need to be signed by the company, otherwise during an audit it would be denied.
This is the first airline I’m hearing that does not provide the tools for the job, I’m sure there other others, so bush!

FYI, of the large 705’s Jazz is the only one I know of that gives you a headset (there probably are others). Everyone else, Air Canada included, just has crappy headsets in the airplane you can use if you want to chance catching whatever the last guy has.

[ant_321]

If you shop around, getting one for about $1200 isn't hard. I got my proflight a couple years ago for $1250. (non-Bluetooth) So yes, $575 is ROUGHLY half. If you just go and purchase direct from Bose, then yea... You're getting less than half back.

WestJet does NOT provide headsets. Phenix is, in fact, the one who is misinformed.

They don’t provide them at all? There aren’t any headsets in the aircraft?

No. You are required to carry your own with you.

I guess there will be a couple hundred shitty telex 750’s to share among the fleet in about a year, if you dare to use them.

[dontcallmeshirley]

I guess there will be a couple hundred shitty telex 750’s to share among the fleet in about a year, if you dare to use them.

I forgot my headset once last year. The 750 on a Q with the ANVS inop is about as effective as the light gun from the tower.

Somebody gave themselves a pat on the back for finding a cheap on-paper solution to a problem that they created.

[Turboprops]

What, who besides WJ doesn’t provide headsets?
I’ve had four over my tenure with Jazz, current choice is David Clark or Bose, they also never ask for my old one back

You missed some very important points.
The headsets Jazz give out aren’t new, at least not the one I got.
When you quit Jazz they ask you to return it, and then give it to whoever’s next in line for a headset.
Pretty ridiculous in my opinion.

[twa22]

What, who besides WJ doesn’t provide headsets?
I’ve had four over my tenure with Jazz, current choice is David Clark or Bose, they also never ask for my old one back

You missed some very important points.
The headsets Jazz give out aren’t new, at least not the one I got.
When you quit Jazz they ask you to return it, and then give it to whoever’s next in line for a headset.
Pretty ridiculous in my opinion.

Do you really expect them to buy brand new headsets for every new pilot they hire? That's a bit of a stretch and would cost ALOT of money... nothing wrong with reusing an old headset as long it's been properly cleaned beforehand... personally i'm ok with being given a used headset, saves me the wear and tear on my personal one to use further down the road

[Turboprops]

What, who besides WJ doesn’t provide headsets?
I’ve had four over my tenure with Jazz, current choice is David Clark or Bose, they also never ask for my old one back

You missed some very important points.
The headsets Jazz give out aren’t new, at least not the one I got.
When you quit Jazz they ask you to return it, and then give it to whoever’s next in line for a headset.
Pretty ridiculous in my opinion.

Do you really expect them to buy brand new headsets for every new pilot they hire? That's a bit of a stretch and would cost ALOT of money... nothing wrong with reusing an old headset as long it's been properly cleaned beforehand... personally i'm ok with being given a used headset, saves me the wear and tear on my personal one to use further down the road

Yes I do, because that’s what westjet ALPA is fighting for.
But anyway the point is, cdnavater made it sound like Jazz just gives out free bose headsets and you never need to return them, which is not true.

[Canadaflyer46]

What, who besides WJ doesn’t provide headsets?
I’ve had four over my tenure with Jazz, current choice is David Clark or Bose, they also never ask for my old one back

You missed some very important points.
The headsets Jazz give out aren’t new, at least not the one I got.
When you quit Jazz they ask you to return it, and then give it to whoever’s next in line for a headset.
Pretty ridiculous in my opinion.

Do you really expect them to buy brand new headsets for every new pilot they hire? That's a bit of a stretch and would cost ALOT of money... nothing wrong with reusing an old headset as long it's been properly cleaned beforehand... personally i'm ok with being given a used headset, saves me the wear and tear on my personal one to use further down the road

I suppose they could just put headsets in each aircraft, but then they'd have to figure out a way of cleaning them between flights.
This is a labour code ruling that's set by the government. As we saw with the initial fight when taking personal days, WestJet will fight the goverment as much as their own employees to save some money. Refreshing actually that they don't descriminate.

[twa22]

I don't think it's been answered, but what other 705 operator provides brand new high end headsets for their crews? I know that larger operators have the generic telex headsets in some planes, but other then that i'm not aware of anyone else besides Jazz providing Bose or DC headsets... i'm not saying to not fight for free, brand new, high end headsets, I just don't see it happening if nobody else does it

[Canadaflyer46]

I don't think it's been answered, but what other 705 operator provides brand new high end headsets for their crews? I know that larger operators have the generic telex headsets in some planes, but other then that i'm not aware of anyone else besides Jazz providing Bose or DC headsets... i'm not saying to not fight for free, brand new, high end headsets, I just don't see it happening if nobody else does it

You make a very good point. I wonder why other unions aren’t fighting for it as vehemently as the WestJet union is.

[cdnavater]

You missed some very important points.
The headsets Jazz give out aren’t new, at least not the one I got.
When you quit Jazz they ask you to return it, and then give it to whoever’s next in line for a headset.
Pretty ridiculous in my opinion.

Do you really expect them to buy brand new headsets for every new pilot they hire? That's a bit of a stretch and would cost ALOT of money... nothing wrong with reusing an old headset as long it's been properly cleaned beforehand... personally i'm ok with being given a used headset, saves me the wear and tear on my personal one to use further down the road

Yes I do, because that’s what westjet ALPA is fighting for.
But anyway the point is, cdnavater made it sound like Jazz just gives out free bose headsets and you never need to return them, which is not true.

Yikes, brand new headset for pilots that sometimes stick around a few months, sounds absolutely ridiculous to me.
However, the longer you stick around the odds of getting a brand new headset in its original packaging increases, I’ve had two used and two new. I never even questioned it when I got a used headset, sheesh.
You think WJ is going to give every pilot a brand new set and when someone quits, what, trade it in for a new one. Yah, that’ll happen.

[twa22]

I don't think it's been answered, but what other 705 operator provides brand new high end headsets for their crews? I know that larger operators have the generic telex headsets in some planes, but other then that i'm not aware of anyone else besides Jazz providing Bose or DC headsets... i'm not saying to not fight for free, brand new, high end headsets, I just don't see it happening if nobody else does it

You make a very good point. I wonder why other unions aren’t fighting for it as vehemently as the WestJet union is.

Like I said, it's not that I wouldn't want us as a collective group to get brand new headsets at whatever airline we go, but it just seems to me that it's a bit of a waste to be bargaining for what is a minuscule item at the end of the day, when that effort could be spent somewhere else where it matters... personally, i'd rather have a higher salary, or better benefits, or better staff travel/commuting rules, then worrying about a headset, but that's just me and that's why it's an opinion

[dontcallmeshirley]

The email that came out to Encore pilots clarifying the amount of reimbursement for aviation headsets stated that they would not reimburse pre-owned headseats. If that's the case, covering the cost of a new one is an easy argument.

[Canadaflyer46]

I don't think it's been answered, but what other 705 operator provides brand new high end headsets for their crews? I know that larger operators have the generic telex headsets in some planes, but other then that i'm not aware of anyone else besides Jazz providing Bose or DC headsets... i'm not saying to not fight for free, brand new, high end headsets, I just don't see it happening if nobody else does it

You make a very good point. I wonder why other unions aren’t fighting for it as vehemently as the WestJet union is.

Like I said, it's not that I wouldn't want us as a collective group to get brand new headsets at whatever airline we go, but it just seems to me that it's a bit of a waste to be bargaining for what is a minuscule item at the end of the day, when that effort could be spent somewhere else where it matters... personally, i'd rather have a higher salary, or better benefits, or better staff travel/commuting rules, then worrying about a headset, but that's just me and that's why it's an opinion

100%. I would not want one iota of bargaining capital used on this headset issue. Our union are sending it to an arbitrator and have said they’re confident he/she will rule in our favour. Hopefully that will set the precedent for other airlines. I’m sure AC have bigger fish to fry currently.

[HFNav]

Have encore pilots seen the Air Canada plan posted
http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopic.php?t=206901


This TA's similar to what was being discussed in the meter reader post
http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopi ... 8#p1239838


This Wasaya ATR scale was posted. Would encore pilots accept less.

The Wasaya scale above is the base pay, & can be increased by 12,000 for additional mileage pay

Wasaya 705 starting pay in 2025 is $130,000 & the pilots scheduled 15 days a month

[HFNav]

What, who besides WJ doesn’t provide headsets?
I’ve had four over my tenure with Jazz, current choice is David Clark or Bose, they also never ask for my old one back

WJ provides headsets, you have been misinformed. But I wasn’t aware there was a law making it mandatory, and I would be curious to see a quote of that law since lots of 703 operators don’t provide headsets.

Canada Labour Code section 238.1 is the section that the WJAMEC is fighting for. So far, headsets are not directly provided, but the company is providing an allowance for the purchase of one... Roughly half of what a good quality headset is worth these days. So they are continuing to fight to have the full amount reimbursed.

Canada Labour Code

DIVISION XII.1
Reimbursement of Work-related Expenses
• 238.1 (1) Subject to subsection (2), an employee is entitled to and the employer shall provide reimbursement of reasonable work-related expenses.


Date of application

Reimbursement of work-related expenses applies to expenses incurred on or after the coming into force date of July 9, 2023.


Overview

Reimbursement of work-related expenses requires employers to reimburse employees:
• for reasonable work-related expenses paid out-of-pocket by the employee
• within specific time limits
An expense must be reimbursed by the employer when it meets all eligibility criteria.

[Janitroll]

Maybe it's a bluff.

Now, if the pilots decide that they don't like this Tentative Agreement and vote it down, that's completely in their right. And they have then had an opportunity to make their voices known.

If it's a bluff by the company, awesome, hopefully after some more negotiations Encore can get a contract that covers what you are hoping for and can actually solve the staffing problems that have plagued Encore. And, if the company wasn't bluffing and it is shut down, at least the pilots had an opportunity to decide for themselves

What's your opinion after the news of Pasco routes to Encore

bluff?

Is Encore ALPA positioned for large gains with strike actoins?

[lowoleo22]

Are the final pay numbers posted anywhere?

[dontcallmeshirley]

Are the final pay numbers posted anywhere?

Yes, it's the same as in the first tentative agreement.

[lowoleo22]

Are the final pay numbers posted anywhere?

Yes, it's the same as in the first tentative agreement.

That's unfortunate.

[CaptDukeNukem]

Could someone maybe show the differences between TA1 and TA2? Pros and cons?

[dontcallmeshirley]

Could someone maybe show the differences between TA1 and TA2? Pros and cons?

Cons:

• Retro pay October 15
• Scheduled standups for Pasco flying

Wins (vs TA1):

• Max 17 days worked per month, option for company to make it 18 6 times per year
• If 18 days worked, an additional 2 hours premium credits applied to 18th day
• WSP Match FO 5% until 3 years completed, then 10%, Captains 10%
• New flow minimums increased (but will not be seen as it is still based on number of captains on property as of Jan 1 of each year)
• YYZ pilots will receive $12,500 over the course of 12 months if the pilot wants in lieu of relocation assistance (~$40k)

[GetAGripen]

(the chart)

One thing to take note of is that the MEC has really hammered in the point that Jazz's MMG is technically 75 hours as well, though I don't know what % of pilots are getting that or the quoted 82.5 on average. I haven't seen their contract posted.

[JBI]

Cons:

• Retro pay October 15
• Scheduled standups for Pasco flying

The WJPA Contract, CA1, TA1 and TA2 ALL permitted stand-ups, otherwise known as split duty pairings. In TA2 you actually get additional money for them.

So, while I am not saying stand-ups are good, it can't be considered a "CON" as compared to TA1 (or previous contracts) cause the company could always do them.