AMEs Done

[YYCAME]

I've been following AMFA for awhile now and I'm pretty impressed by their performance compared to other unions. They are significantly more transparent, better communicators, and stronger advocates for their members then any other union I've seen in recent history. If they feel that some democracy is warranted, either to judge the mood of members or give themselves a stronger mandate going into a strike vote just before the summer months, then I think they know what they are doing.

We don't get a lot of people creating an account just to trash some negotiators Charlie Taylor so it sounds like you have some great inside information to share with us. What makes you think they are poor negotiators and feel it so strongly that you made an account just to post it? You don't have to agree with everyone or like AMFA, but what alternative are you proposing? I only ask since creating a straw man account to cast doubt on a single issue has all the appearance of an extremely unprofessional member of the Westjet negotiating team or management team that wants to stir up trouble that they can profit from.

"Charlie Taylor
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[CaptDukeNukem]

I've been following AMFA for awhile now and I'm pretty impressed by their performance compared to other unions. They are significantly more transparent, better communicators, and stronger advocates for their members then any other union I've seen in recent history. If they feel that some democracy is warranted, either to judge the mood of members or give themselves a stronger mandate going into a strike vote just before the summer months, then I think they know what they are doing.

We don't get a lot of people creating an account just to trash some negotiators Charlie Taylor so it sounds like you have some great inside information to share with us. What makes you think they are poor negotiators and feel it so strongly that you made an account just to post it? You don't have to agree with everyone or like AMFA, but what alternative are you proposing? I only ask since creating a straw man account to cast doubt on a single issue has all the appearance of an extremely unprofessional member of the Westjet negotiating team or management team that wants to stir up trouble that they can profit from.

"Charlie Taylor
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Fackin’ AI shit. They’re breeding themselves already.

[planenuts]

From what I hear, the TA is going to be voted down by a large margin.

This shows that either the Union are out of touch with what the membership wants or they're really bad at negotiating.

Either way, along with the no vote, maybe think of voting in a new bargaining team. The one you have are full of promises and have no clue what they're doing.

It's going to be historical.

However....that's not at all what AMFAs doing, and we have complete faith

[planenuts]

As I said.....we are united.
The vote is complete....

99% of voting member cast a ballot
97.25% voted no.

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it. I dont think this will be fixed 5 hrs from now like Encores was.

[cdnavater]

As I said.....we are united.
The vote is complete....

99% of voting member cast a ballot
97.25% voted no.

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it. I dont think this will be fixed 5 hrs from now like Encores was.

Congratulations, that sends a message!
Now, I’m sure you meant united as opposed to untied

[planenuts]

As I said.....we are untied.
The vote is complete....

99% of voting member cast a ballot
97.25% voted no.

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it. I dont think this will be fixed 5 hrs from now like Encores was.

Congratulations, that sends a message!
Now, I’m sure you meant united as opposed to untied

Yes I did...and fixed it. Thanks.

Whats more is that just 24 hrs after the ballot opened (so 29 May) 90% had already voted and it was 99.3% no. So we rejected it from the get go. The roadshows were pretty much useless...although it seems to have swayed a few people.

[JBI]

That is an impressive result!

Would you be willing to give a Cole’s Notes overview of the main things the AME’s didn’t like and/or wanted improved?

[dontcallmeshirley]

That is an impressive result!

Would you be willing to give a Cole’s Notes overview of the main things the AME’s didn’t like and/or wanted improved?

From what I gather, they want more pay added, the significant reduction of WSP reversed, pension plan, and paid benefits.

[CaptDukeNukem]

As I said.....we are untied.
The vote is complete....

99% of voting member cast a ballot
97.25% voted no.

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it. I dont think this will be fixed 5 hrs from now like Encores was.

Congratulations, that sends a message!
Now, I’m sure you meant united as opposed to untied

Yes I did...and fixed it. Thanks.

Whats more is that just 24 hrs after the ballot opened (so 29 May) 90% had already voted and it was 99.3% no. So we rejected it from the get go. The roadshows were pretty much useless...although it seems to have swayed a few people.

Wish you guys the best!

[fish4life]

What I don’t understand is how out of touch AMFA was to membership that they would have even brought this deal forward.
How does it compare to the going rate in Canada for AME’s ?

[digits_]

What I don’t understand is how out of touch AMFA was to membership that they would have even brought this deal forward.
How does it compare to the going rate in Canada for AME’s ?

On the bright side, they're probably not sending out threatening emails to their membership urging them to accept a subpar deal

[YYCAME]

What I don’t understand is how out of touch AMFA was to membership that they would have even brought this deal forward.
How does it compare to the going rate in Canada for AME’s ?

You can tell the company that the deal isn't going to be accepted and still give people the chance to vote on it in order to increase the strength of your bargaining position. Now the company will be unable to claim that the union is preventing employees from accepting what they consider a fair offer because of this strategic choice. In addition they have setup a timeline that puts them in strike position for the beginning of the summer vacation season which is pretty much optimal in applying as much pressure as possible to the company.

[johnkruk]

The company has said , the TA that got voted down would have made Westjet AME’s the best paid in the country, is this true ? If it’s true how can money still be an issue ?

[QKZXKV]

The company has said , the TA that got voted down would have made Westjet AME’s the best paid in the country, is this true ? If it’s true how can money still be an issue ?

just keep in mind that a 50 cents higher per hour vs the current highest paying AME contract would make them the "best paid in the country".

I obviously don't know the actual numbers to validate if this is what actually has happened, but it seems like the WJ AMEs all know their worth and that's a very good thing!

[planenuts]

The company has said , the TA that got voted down would have made Westjet AME’s the best paid in the country, is this true ? If it’s true how can money still be an issue ?

That's Westjets bs game they play with everyone. They said the same thing with the Encore pilots, but everyone seems to know they are the lowest paid regional pilots. Just like the pilots....we would only be the highest paid if we fully invested in the WSP. My issue is that's an optional program. Most guys treat it as their pension. It should never be used as a tool to keep your wages low.

The company eventually...after much BS, bad faith bargaining, and threats....pretty much matched Air Canada's scale. AC mechs are up for contract talks next year so what good is that? Like pilots....AMEs have had their wages severely curtailed for years. For what we do...getting 40 bucks an hour when auto mechanics or other red seals make twice that. US mechanics make 65 an hour in us dollers. Pilots have been making some ground and it's time the AMEs did too.

Other issues are that we want the WSP restored and better benefits as those have been clawed back over the years too. The pilots got some nice gains and we just want what's fair.

[Canadaflyer46]

The company has said , the TA that got voted down would have made Westjet AME’s the best paid in the country, is this true ? If it’s true how can money still be an issue ?

That's Westjets bs game they play with everyone. They said the same thing with the Encore pilots, but everyone seems to know they are the lowest paid regional pilots. Just like the pilots....we would only be the highest paid if we fully invested in the WSP. My issue is that's an optional program. Most guys treat it as their pension. It should never be used as a tool to keep your wages low.

The company eventually...after much BS, bad faith bargaining, and threats....pretty much matched Air Canada's scale. AC mechs are up for contract talks next year so what good is that? Like pilots....AMEs have had their wages severely curtailed for years. For what we do...getting 40 bucks an hour when auto mechanics or other red seals make twice that. US mechanics make 65 an hour in us dollers. Pilots have been making some ground and it's time the AMEs did too.

Other issues are that we want the WSP restored and better benefits as those have been clawed back over the years too. The pilots got some nice gains and we just want what's fair.

Exactly. Watching the WestJet live today their anger at AMFA was palpable. You guys know your worth, are united, and all of us are behind you. Hold the line and bring it home!

[fish4life]

The company has said , the TA that got voted down would have made Westjet AME’s the best paid in the country, is this true ? If it’s true how can money still be an issue ?

That's Westjets bs game they play with everyone. They said the same thing with the Encore pilots, but everyone seems to know they are the lowest paid regional pilots. Just like the pilots....we would only be the highest paid if we fully invested in the WSP. My issue is that's an optional program. Most guys treat it as their pension. It should never be used as a tool to keep your wages low.

The company eventually...after much BS, bad faith bargaining, and threats....pretty much matched Air Canada's scale. AC mechs are up for contract talks next year so what good is that? Like pilots....AMEs have had their wages severely curtailed for years. For what we do...getting 40 bucks an hour when auto mechanics or other red seals make twice that. US mechanics make 65 an hour in us dollers. Pilots have been making some ground and it's time the AMEs did too.

Other issues are that we want the WSP restored and better benefits as those have been clawed back over the years too. The pilots got some nice gains and we just want what's fair.

Exactly. Watching the WestJet live today their anger at AMFA was palpable. You guys know your worth, are united, and all of us are behind you. Hold the line and bring it home!

What the heck is a westjet live ?
Is it a bargaining update?

[Canadaflyer46]

That's Westjets bs game they play with everyone. They said the same thing with the Encore pilots, but everyone seems to know they are the lowest paid regional pilots. Just like the pilots....we would only be the highest paid if we fully invested in the WSP. My issue is that's an optional program. Most guys treat it as their pension. It should never be used as a tool to keep your wages low.

The company eventually...after much BS, bad faith bargaining, and threats....pretty much matched Air Canada's scale. AC mechs are up for contract talks next year so what good is that? Like pilots....AMEs have had their wages severely curtailed for years. For what we do...getting 40 bucks an hour when auto mechanics or other red seals make twice that. US mechanics make 65 an hour in us dollers. Pilots have been making some ground and it's time the AMEs did too.

Other issues are that we want the WSP restored and better benefits as those have been clawed back over the years too. The pilots got some nice gains and we just want what's fair.

Exactly. Watching the WestJet live today their anger at AMFA was palpable. You guys know your worth, are united, and all of us are behind you. Hold the line and bring it home!

What the heck is a westjet live ?
Is it a bargaining update?

Company town hall they hold every month to answer questions/give updates/negotiate in public.

[Canadaflyer46]

Latest update on state of negotiations:

https://www.amfanational.org/?zone=/uni ... eID=923304

[digits_]

Latest update on state of negotiations:

https://www.amfanational.org/?zone=/uni ... eID=923304

Good luck! Let's hope pilots snag all those suspicious looking potential defects!

[planenuts]

Yep.....Westjet management is so scared they are threatening us with a lesser contract and instead of trying to work something out - they are just running to the government crying. We will not be intimidated.

It's going to get bumpy folks....buckle up

[daedalusx]

Yep.....Westjet management is so scared they are threatening us with a lesser contract and instead of trying to work something out - they are just running to the government crying. We will not be intimidated.

It's going to get bumpy folks....buckle up

It’s especially more revolting after the pathetic pity party act at the last townhall.

[planenuts]

Now - more than ever, we will be looking to our flight and cabin crews for your support in our endeavors to get a fair industry leading wage.

[Tbayer2021]

Correct me if I'm wrong. But isn't the government allowed to intervene and force binding arbitration for the very first collective agreement? Isn't this what happened to WJ pilots during their first CBA? The company has outright stopped negotiating and filed for binding arbitration. I would assume they expect their motion to be accepted.

[Canadaflyer46]

The pilots agreed to binding arbitration for CA1, not knowing how hard Kaplan was going to @#$! us.
As for being forced into it, I sure hope not. These guys need a solid contract. According to an ALPA email this week we currently have THREE TIMES the MELs that we did on the same time period a year ago. Now imagine how much worse morale will be with a subpar agreement forced down their throats. They’ll be leaving in droves.
WestJet has treated them appallingly throughout this entire process. I hope they’re about to get a firm punch on the mouth from an employee group finally. It’s long overdue.