DELTA CONTRACT 2024 = AC contract at a minimum!

[Apestogetherstrong]

In a few months you will be required to vote on a contract. As ALPA promised we will get a world class contract. It would be in the ballpark range of US carriers. Keep in mind that the contract shown below is in USD. DO NOT ACCEPT anything below Delta contract converted in CAD. Know your worth! We are working for the national flag carrier and are not pu##ies.

We will NOT say yes to anything below Delta! More reminders to come.

[CaptDukeNukem]

Can’t wait to quote this in the future

[bradleyscotts]

If you are expecting to eliminate 20 plus years of ACPA in a single contract you are dreaming. Don't let perfection be the enemy of good. I'm sure our new MEC will send us a decent TA. We will be the highest paid pilots in Canada, we will have the same or better working conditions as everyone else in Canada.

[Fanblade]

That Delta payscale is very similar to Air Canada pay from 2003 adjusted for inflation to today.

Unless you believe our value has declined those numbers are not unreasonable.

If you believe our value has declined over the last 20 years you need to explain why. This "because you are Canadian" attitude isn't going to fly.

We are the only legacy to go into bankruptcy. Give in bankruptcy. And then never recover.

Air Canada got extra milage out of bankruptcy and FOS within the 10 year contract.

Now it's our turn.

I would suggest that if we don't recover now? The Canadian discount will be locked in.

[Apestogetherstrong]

If you are expecting to eliminate 20 plus years of ACPA in a single contract you are dreaming. Don't let perfection be the enemy of good. I'm sure our new MEC will send us a decent TA. We will be the highest paid pilots in Canada, we will have the same or better working conditions as everyone else in Canada.

You are exactly the type of pilot I want to educate (respectfully). We need to start thinking big. Our conditions are the worst in the world. No other pilot groups would accept such shitty conditions knowing the company is doing well. This is the result of fear. This is all management tactics. Know your worth. We need a delta contract. Enough is enough. Our families have suffered. Its time to be united and fight!!!

[goingnowherefast]

When's the next picket? I can't wear a uniform as I'm not an AC pilot, but I'll happily be there in shirt and tie carrying whatever sign they want me to.

Bickering on the internet is only so productive, I want to be there and help out. I want to see 2003 numbers adjusted for inflation. This contract will trickle down to the rest of Canada. We owe it to AC pilots to do everything we can to support them.

[Bede]

If you are expecting to eliminate 20 plus years of ACPA in a single contract you are dreaming. Don't let perfection be the enemy of good. I'm sure our new MEC will send us a decent TA. We will be the highest paid pilots in Canada, we will have the same or better working conditions as everyone else in Canada.

Pure napkin math, but I don't think the OP is that far off from a theoretical point of view. (There are calculations you can do to determine bargaining equilibria.) AC earned $2.276B in 2023. I think AC has around 5000 pilots. That's a maximum of $455k/pilot in additional compensation to play with. I calculated the bargaining equilibrium in excess of $320k/pilot. Again, pure napkin math. Obviously, you won't achieve an average raise of $455k/pilot, but there's still a huge amount to play with for your negotiators.

[JHR]

[Apestogetherstrong]

A lot of management’s crows are hovering on avcanada. Their purpose is to keep scaring pilots and keep the bs narrative that we will be the top paid in Canada but we cant compare to US. I was to reiterate something important. We are not scared of you. We will strike if needed. NO MORE CHEAP LABOUR!!! Delta pay or nothing.

[flogolik]

A lot of management’s crows are hovering on avcanada. Their purpose is to keep scaring pilots and keep the bs narrative that we will be the top paid in Canada but we cant compare to US. I was to reiterate something important. We are not scared of you. We will strike if needed. NO MORE CHEAP LABOUR!!! Delta pay or nothing.

100% agree! Enough of this non sense. The majority of pilots see right through it and will no fall for this propaganda initiated by a few management puppets. Stay united people, wear your RED lanyard and show support to your union. Pilots will prevail!!

[thepoors]

If you are expecting to eliminate 20 plus years of ACPA in a single contract you are dreaming. Don't let perfection be the enemy of good. I'm sure our new MEC will send us a decent TA. We will be the highest paid pilots in Canada, we will have the same or better working conditions as everyone else in Canada.

People like you are why this falsehood of "wE cAn'T mAKe Up 20 YeArS iN oNe CoNtRaCt" exists. Need I remind you the last contract was 10 fkn years, and the all the concessions that have occured since. So it's far from a stretch to expect that.

Stop qualifying anything with "Canadian" standards. Stop settling for good enough. Stop thinking like a loser and we might actually win.

[Apestogetherstrong]

https://youtu.be/MTCqo2fd4g8

We are NOT WestJet. Be prepared to vote NO to anything less than Delta contract!

[justapassenger]

Someone’s panties are too tight!! Haha…..I’m saving this to quote in a couple months. Delta pay…..Haha. Good luck. I got no skin in it but your tone and aggression is hilarious and just shows how a union card helps the small person grow a foot…..just like a small dog; all bark, no bite! Me tough…pay me big bucks now!! Haha. Not happening. Go drive a school bus!

[itsgrosswhatinet]

5 posts, all anti-worker and pro-corporation.

[goingnowherefast]

I almost got upset about justapassenger for being an out-of-touch management lackey. Turns out this person is a bored troll in their parents basement who's upset they can't fly to Europe for $10. That last comment about school bus drivers really exposed them. Is school bus driver a degrading job? I don't really want to do it, but I'm glad there are people that do.

It's not even good trolling anymore, they've gone too far.

DELTA RATES!

[Apestogetherstrong]

Someone’s panties are too tight!! Haha…..I’m saving this to quote in a couple months. Delta pay…..Haha. Good luck. I got no skin in it but your tone and aggression is hilarious and just shows how a union card helps the small person grow a foot…..just like a small dog; all bark, no bite! Me tough…pay me big bucks now!! Haha. Not happening. Go drive a school bus!

Again one of the management’s pet crow trying to pull us down. I love it. “Me big bucks now” lmao.

We are united now and will say NO to anything below Delta contract. No pilots means no Air Canada.

[rudder]

It’s ok to charge an extra $50 for a checked bag (used to be free).

It’s ok to charge $15 to go through airport security (used to be free).

It’s ok to charge $35 AIF for departing from an airport (used to be free).

It’s ok to charge GST on all of the above (there never used to be a federal sales tax).

But it’s not ok to charge an extra $5-10 per ticket to bring pilot pay to global standard.

Welcome to Canada.

[eurotrash]

It’s ok to charge an extra $50 for a checked bag (used to be free).

It’s ok to charge $15 to go through airport security (used to be free).

It’s ok to charge $35 AIF for departing from an airport (used to be free).

It’s ok to charge GST on all of the above (there never used to be a federal sales tax).

But it’s not ok to charge an extra $5-10 per ticket to bring pilot pay to global standard.

Welcome to Canada.

And also OK to start giving out free drinks once Porter does

I guess that extra cost needs to come out of the Pilot's salaries...

[Rooster69]

FWIW,

Was speaking with a Delta crew on a layover. The FO, on their 330, made $400 000 last year. He said his taxes were around 25%. I just couldn’t ask the skipper what he made.

[JHR]

FWIW,

Was speaking with a Delta crew on a layover. The FO, on their 330, made $400 000 last year. He said his taxes were around 25%. I just couldn’t ask the skipper what he made.

And you think AC will pay anywhere near this?

[kiaszceski]

FWIW,

Was speaking with a Delta crew on a layover. The FO, on their 330, made $400 000 last year. He said his taxes were around 25%. I just couldn’t ask the skipper what he made.

And you think AC will pay anywhere near this?

You know what, @#$! you, scumbag.
AC WILL pay!
233% raise! Or get the CEO raise down to what pilots will get.

Enough is enough. FIGHT!

[JHR]

Hahahahahahaha you are delusional

[Apestogetherstrong]

AC will pay because we already have signed up 2900 pilots on our list who will say NO to a contract if it’s a penny less than Delta contract. We are ready to strike for a year if we have to. AC doesnt know whats coming their way pissing off pilots like that. We will strike for a year!!!

[bradleyscotts]

A lot of management’s crows are hovering on avcanada. Their purpose is to keep scaring pilots and keep the bs narrative that we will be the top paid in Canada but we cant compare to US. I was to reiterate something important. We are not scared of you. We will strike if needed. NO MORE CHEAP LABOUR!!! Delta pay or nothing.

You guys need to stop the labeling of people as Management Shill, ACPA shill, etc, whenever they have a different opinion than you. It makes you look stupid and woke.

Understand this. We BOTH want to be paid like American Pilots. They have been negotiating contract after contract to get where they are now. It has taken time to get there. I worry that you will vote down a 3 year TA with say a 40-50% raise, no flat pay, vacation fixed, min daily guarantee and commuting policy because it does not pay Delta wages.

[JHR]

I would love to see 233%. But that will never happen unfortunately