Air Canada is Not WestJet

[aeronauticaldisaster]

https://youtu.be/MTCqo2fd4g8?si=HTQH62yjaQd52QiB

[justapassenger]

Comical…..union dues well spent . Pilots are united when beneficial to themselves but turn on each other sooooo quickly. Trash them and then tell them they have to join you in the picket line for support.

WB international flying is WB international flying….whether teal or red.

[Canadaflyer46]

Agreed. Pretty classless video trashing pilots who’ve given up their time to picket with you.

[MontrealCanucks]

Hopefully Pilots can see the reason for the video

Air Canada will want to anchor low with the "Canadian Pilot Market"

AC Pilots need to anchor to US Airline Pilot wages for historic gains

It's strategy. Nothing personal against the colleagues at WJ

[altiplano]

I don't see it as trashing anyone. First words are "with respect" and we all ought to know what the goals are here, getting ahead of the information campaign that is to come. AC will say that they are offering to pay us WJ +5% and we should be happy. But that's not what we will accept. And saying AC is not comparable to WJ is just stating fact:

- AC is an international legacy flag airline with an 85+ year mature contract.

- WJ is a LCC, until recently single fleet type, on their 2nd contact.

They are completely different operations. We need to be comparing ourselves to other airlines like that operate like us, with fleets and routes and histories like us. The executives certainly do.

AC pilots are trying to push the bar and when we do I'm sure our friends and WJ won't mind using that as their next benchmark and won't mind when I stand with them too.

[ShillBill]

Comical...


WB international flying is WB international flying….whether teal or red.

7 x 787s is a lot different than 90 widebodies going to all continents (Antarctica doesn't count) with many more on order

WJ is not a Flag Carrier. Air Canada is. It's apples to oranges

[GeoffPilot]

I see some hurt buttholes coming out of the wood work

May I suggest putting egos aside and see what a huge gain for AC pilots does for WJ pilots

[Stu Pidasso]

I strongly oppose negotiating in the media but the point of this video is very true. AC always wants to compare us to WJ when it suits them. Bottom line is there is a hierarchy and AC is at the top for Pilots.

There has never been (that I am aware of) an AC Pilot quit and go to WJ, yet we have hired tons of ex-WJ Pilots.

[justapassenger]

Comical...


WB international flying is WB international flying….whether teal or red.

7 x 787s is a lot different than 90 widebodies going to all continents (Antarctica doesn't count) with many more on order

WJ is not a Flag Carrier. Air Canada is. It's apples to oranges

Well, compare AC to Delta and American Airlines. Not apples to apples. US vs Canadian market?!?! ….fleet, taxes, cost of living, fx rate, laws, etc etc.

WJ pilots you are LCC pilots even when comparing 787 vs 787 to Asian…..we are better then you….insert nose lift…..but you better picket with us.

[dumpsterfire]

Comical...


WB international flying is WB international flying….whether teal or red.

7 x 787s is a lot different than 90 widebodies going to all continents (Antarctica doesn't count) with many more on order

WJ is not a Flag Carrier. Air Canada is. It's apples to oranges

Well, compare AC to Delta and American Airlines. Not apples to apples. US vs Canadian market?!?! ….fleet, taxes, cost of living, fx rate, laws, etc etc.

WJ pilots you are LCC pilots even when comparing 787 vs 787 to Asian…..we are better then you….insert nose lift…..but you better picket with us.

The size of your hurt butthole must make you a pleasure to fly with

Come on man. It's just posturing. Give it a break

[rudder]

Comical...


WB international flying is WB international flying….whether teal or red.

7 x 787s is a lot different than 90 widebodies going to all continents (Antarctica doesn't count) with many more on order

WJ is not a Flag Carrier. Air Canada is. It's apples to oranges

If comparitors were based on ASM’s flown on matching routes, then WJ would simply represent one of several minority components in a very diverse domestic and international list.

AC derives a pilot unit cost advantage both from the raw numbers and then again via exchange rate. Sort of like buying a winning lottery ticket from the proceeds of a prior lottery winning.

[noreasterYHZ]

One of the largest factors in cost is stage length

AC's ratio of flying with overseas to other airlines is massive. Even US Airlines. WJ isn't even close

The long stage length of these flights gives AC a huge cost advantage and another reason it can and will pay Air Canada pilots world class rates

[cdnavater]

Comical...


WB international flying is WB international flying….whether teal or red.

7 x 787s is a lot different than 90 widebodies going to all continents (Antarctica doesn't count) with many more on order

WJ is not a Flag Carrier. Air Canada is. It's apples to oranges

Well, compare AC to Delta and American Airlines. Not apples to apples. US vs Canadian market?!?! ….fleet, taxes, cost of living, fx rate, laws, etc etc.

WJ pilots you are LCC pilots even when comparing 787 vs 787 to Asian…..we are better then you….insert nose lift…..but you better picket with us.

Anyone else get the feeling that justapassenger is accountant under a new alias?

[N181CS]

You are more like westjet then you are like the US or Asian carriers. A new low for AC pilots. One should question the decision making skills of those who went to AC for such low wages. If you don’t like the wage you should have voted with your feet…

[cdnavater]

You are more like westjet then you are like the US or Asian carriers. A new low for AC pilots. One should question the decision making skills of those who went to AC for such low wages. If you don’t like the wage you should have voted with your feet…

What? Say again, you’re coming in stupid!

[altiplano]

You are more like westjet then you are like the US or Asian carriers. A new low for AC pilots. One should question the decision making skills of those who went to AC for such low wages. If you don’t like the wage you should have voted with your feet…

Ignorant.

When I came here we were paid more than United. But FOS followed by a 10 year concessionary contract, followed by record inflation, we aren't paid what I was when I came here.

Plus we've helped at every turn from 9-11 to bankruptcy to pension crisis to 737 grounding to COVID, AC pilots have supported their airline. And in turn we've become the highest optimized crews working for the lowest wage with the lowest quality of life, meanwhile the executives pay themselves millions.

The discount is over.

[Mountainwave]

With respect to WJA pilots, I agree AC ALPA should not be comparing wages to the teal middle child. The two airlines are completely different regardless if WJA has 7x87’s. WJA is basically a 737 LCC. Their new ticket option “ultra basic” is an attempt to compete with the bottom.

When WJ pilots were negotiating, they were also comparing their worth to our American brothers and sisters. IMO, AC ALPA wasn’t throwing shade at WJA pilots. More so, it was a direct message to the AC execs who compare their wages and compensation to Delta, United, etc. It’s perfectly normal for AC ALPA to do the same and compare AC pilots wages to Delta, United, etc.

Regardless if you think it can be achieved or not, it’s definitely a fight worth fighting

[Blueontop]

Comical...


WB international flying is WB international flying….whether teal or red.

7 x 787s is a lot different than 90 widebodies going to all continents (Antarctica doesn't count) with many more on order

WJ is not a Flag Carrier. Air Canada is. It's apples to oranges

Well, compare AC to Delta and American Airlines. Not apples to apples. US vs Canadian market?!?! ….fleet, taxes, cost of living, fx rate, laws, etc etc.

WJ pilots you are LCC pilots even when comparing 787 vs 787 to Asian…..we are better then you….insert nose lift…..but you better picket with us.

Nobody listen to the management shill trying desperately to sow division.

[modi13]

7 x 787s is a lot different than 90 widebodies going to all continents (Antarctica doesn't count) with many more on order

I guess Africa isn't a continent anymore.

[jpilot77]

7 x 787s is a lot different than 90 widebodies going to all continents (Antarctica doesn't count) with many more on order

I guess Africa isn't a continent anymore.

Air Canada flies to Africa ( Casablanca, Algiers, Cairo) just not sub Sahara Africa (although that’s rumoured to change with the 321 XLR).

[Rooster69]

7 x 787s is a lot different than 90 widebodies going to all continents (Antarctica doesn't count) with many more on order

I guess Africa isn't a continent anymore.

Algiers isn’t part of Africa?

[Airbrake]

I strongly oppose negotiating in the media but the point of this video is very true. AC always wants to compare us to WJ when it suits them. Bottom line is there is a hierarchy and AC is at the top for Pilots.

There has never been (that I am aware of) an AC Pilot quit and go to WJ, yet we have hired tons of ex-WJ Pilots.

I know of a few AC pilots who left for WJ.
I can’t say any in the last 5 years but before there sure were. I am not sure of specific numbers though.

[slob driver]

I strongly oppose negotiating in the media but the point of this video is very true. AC always wants to compare us to WJ when it suits them. Bottom line is there is a hierarchy and AC is at the top for Pilots.

There has never been (that I am aware of) an AC Pilot quit and go to WJ, yet we have hired tons of ex-WJ Pilots.

Better check your facts there bud

[Stu Pidasso]

Well....Bud.... I put the caveat "that I am aware of," better check your reading comprehension. I am sure if you dug around over the last couple of decades there (might ?) be one, end of the day the hiring is a one way street.

We did have two brainiacs quit in the middle of the 737 Sim course and go to Flair, willing to bet they regret that move.

[acountant]

Why would WestJet, a low cost carrier airline founded in 1995 be comparable to all the North American legacies who all started around 1930 and fly the same fleets, in the same airspace, often on almost identical routes

Seems to me Air Canada is absolutely comparable to United, Delta, American and the likes.

I mean if the Executives can do it...