AMEs Done

[Ash Ketchum]

What would happen if the AMEs don't listen to the government order and strike anyways? I am personally ready to strike regardless of what the government orders me when the time comes.

[Canadaflyer46]

Great....now we will see mass layoffs.

What a fucking joke.


https://www.amfanational.org/?zone=/uni ... eID=923754

Haha. You all don’t get it. You need to think big picture and like a CEO. There is a budget and pool for wages and compensation. It grows, what are they to do?!?! Raise tickets….people don’t fly….decrease profits…..no, that’s not a mission of a CEO….you layoff. You put yourself in this position. Good luck. Your union postured and did the wrong move. That’s what you get for a US union.

I don’t think anyone could be that retarded to think people would stop flying for an extra dollar on their ticket. Just proves you’re a vile troll. Kinda sad you have to post anonymously on an aviation forum for attention to get your kick, but whatever floats your boat

[theacolyte]

Damn, that's nasty. I'm sure AC management will take note of that as well...

Just remember: the minister can't fix all those planes by himself!

Best of luck...

Not sure why everyone keeps bringing up AC.

The government didn’t interfere with WJ and Encore pilots, the railway or the Air Transat FAs. What makes anyone think they will with AC? The AMEs are bargaining for their first collective agreement AND had a failed TA. There’s no comparison, and AC management has no silver bullet waiting for them.

Because AC mechanics open their negotiations this fall

And yet again, I’ll be a broken record. IT’S IRRELEVANT.

AC AMEs are not bargaining their first collective agreement.

[Inverted2]

What would happen if the AMEs don't listen to the government order and strike anyways? I am personally ready to strike regardless of what the government orders me when the time comes.

An airline can be shut down with a pen and phone. Snag everything. Book off when you’re fatigued. And especially: Don’t accept voluntary overtime!

[QKZXKV]

Great....now we will see mass layoffs.

What a fucking joke.


https://www.amfanational.org/?zone=/uni ... eID=923754

Yeah explain this one

That was a mistake....I meant mass exodus. Resignations

That makes more sense

[planenuts]

Not sure why everyone keeps bringing up AC.

The government didn’t interfere with WJ and Encore pilots, the railway or the Air Transat FAs. What makes anyone think they will with AC? The AMEs are bargaining for their first collective agreement AND had a failed TA. There’s no comparison, and AC management has no silver bullet waiting for them.

Because AC mechanics open their negotiations this fall

And yet again, I’ll be a broken record. IT’S IRRELEVANT.

AC AMEs are not bargaining their first collective agreement.

Actually - your wrong. They are splitting from the current union and going with a different one.

[bcflyer]

What would happen if the AMEs don't listen to the government order and strike anyways? I am personally ready to strike regardless of what the government orders me when the time comes.

An airline can be shut down with a pen and phone. Snag everything. Book off when you’re fatigued. And especially: Don’t accept voluntary overtime!

This!!

There are so many ways an airline can be grounded. At least with a strike you knew what was happening. Now WJ will have no idea what flights will be grounded or delayed by snags, book offs, slowdowns etc. The CEO just opened a whole new can of potential slowdowns. Right before a long weekend…

[Dash.Trash]

Because AC mechanics open their negotiations this fall

And yet again, I’ll be a broken record. IT’S IRRELEVANT.

AC AMEs are not bargaining their first collective agreement.

Actually - your wrong. They are splitting from the current union and going with a different one.

The successor union would inherit the rights and agreements of the previous union. Just as AC ALPA inherited the ACPA collective agreement. When AC pilots switched to ALPA, it doesn’t all of a sudden become a ‘first agreement.’ Every AC union has a long history of collective agreements.

[rudder]

The worst employee is an unhappy employee. What defines ‘unhappy’ is subjective and individual.

ONEX might win the battle, but they will ultimately lose the war.

Whatever was the WJ ‘culture’ is gone.

[Canadaflyer46]

The inherent trouble with hiring transient exectuvies. Their only concern is their next bonus and not the longterm success of the airline.

[justapassenger]

May I remind you….Canada is a democracy….you selected: WestJet as a job (and could / should ask about compensation and increases during your interview…..the door is not locked….you are not forced to work there if you are not happy), 2: the liberals, and 3: your union representatives!!

[goingnowherefast]

Except they're rewriting the rules on compensation and increases. Kinda hard to interview and ask management what they pay is when it's currently under negotiation.

Yes people can quit, but how does that work out for management when planes don't get fixed? Managers like to forget that part no matter how many times the union reminds them. I suspect a lot of mechanics won't be working there if the forced contract is crap. It's not uncommon for management to go back to a union shortly after signing a contract and want to raise wages because there's an exodus and minimal recruitment.

[digits_]

May I remind you….Canada is a democracy….you selected: WestJet as a job (and could / should ask about compensation and increases during your interview…..the door is not locked….you are not forced to work there if you are not happy), 2: the liberals, and 3: your union representatives!!

That's true for single employees. But when they unionize, things change. You can't just go to your boss and negotiate a higher wage. It has to be done collectively. If pay depends upon seniority, and most other companies have a similar system, it only makes sense that employees want to take action before quitting, as quitting will almost always result in losing wages because level Y at your current company, even on a crappy contract, will likely be higher than level 1 at another company.

Your statements would be valid if:
- employees are paid based on experience instead of by seniority
- employees can negotiate their own wages
- the promised pay structures/benefits/conditions stay in place during your employment

[planenuts]

Don't try to fly anywhere guys.

WJ mechanics are on strike.

[rookiepilot]

Don't try to fly anywhere guys.

WJ mechanics are on strike.

Someone grew some spine. Good!

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/ ... -1.7250665

[2112]

Well done westjet engineers, your CEO and government failed you miserably. If I see your picket Coffee is on me.

[CaptDukeNukem]

Was told here the Liberals would never, ever order anyone back to work. That only Harper would do that.

Jokes on Liberal supporters.

I said it myself numerous times that back to work legislation will follow basically any strikes.

Whilst I realize that this is their first contract and arbitration can be mandated to hammer out their first deal, more to come from the government if anyone tries to strike.

[CaptDukeNukem]

Good on the union to follow through with the strike. I’ll buy the breakfast pastries.

[theacolyte]

Was told here the Liberals would never, ever order anyone back to work. That only Harper would do that.

Jokes on Liberal supporters.

I said it myself numerous times that back to work legislation will follow basically any strikes.

Whilst I realize that this is their first contract and arbitration can be mandated to hammer out their first deal, more to come from the government if anyone tries to strike.

It’s a long weekend. Courts are closed, and parliament isn’t going to be able to get anything done in time. Let alone actually having the votes to do it. The sharks are already circling the water around the liberal government. The conservatives won’t support back to work legislation right now with so many votes to pick up and I doubt the NDP will.

I bet WJ folds within the next few hours.

[CaptDukeNukem]

Was told here the Liberals would never, ever order anyone back to work. That only Harper would do that.

Jokes on Liberal supporters.

I said it myself numerous times that back to work legislation will follow basically any strikes.

Whilst I realize that this is their first contract and arbitration can be mandated to hammer out their first deal, more to come from the government if anyone tries to strike.

It’s a long weekend. Courts are closed, and parliament isn’t going to be able to get anything done in time. Let alone actually having the votes to do it. The sharks are already circling the water around the liberal government. The conservatives won’t support back to work legislation right now with so many votes to pick up and I doubt the NDP will.

I bet WJ folds within the next few hours.

The timing is somewhat perfect then. I’m on the AMEs side. I’m just saying, I’ve seen this before. Come Tuesday morning, some sh1t going down.

[theacolyte]

I don’t think this will make it past noon tomorrow until WJ folds. Certainly not making it to Tuesday.

[daedalusx]

I don’t think this will make it past noon tomorrow until WJ folds. Certainly not making it to Tuesday.

Someone at the c-suite fucked up

[itsgrosswhatinet]

Best thing you can do tomorrow is snag your broken airplane and go home.

[finalglide]

AMFA seems to have done some smart lawyerin’:

https://www.amfanational.org/?zone=/uni ... eID=923818

Seems WJ got a referral to CIRB, but that didn’t legally preclude a strike. So, they struck once CIRB confirmed they could.

Strong move, will be interesting to see if the Minister lets this play out, or if he’ll be annoyed at the smart lawyerin’.

[digits_]

AMFA seems to have done some smart lawyerin’:

https://www.amfanational.org/?zone=/uni ... eID=923818

Seems WJ got a referral to CIRB, but that didn’t legally preclude a strike. So, they struck once CIRB confirmed they could.

Strong move, will be interesting to see if the Minister lets this play out, or if he’ll be annoyed at the smart lawyerin’.

This is interesting:

AMFA’s bargaining committee is standing by to continue discussions with the Company. The parties are separated by economic difference of approximately 7%, less than $8 million dollars a year.

Does that mean that if WJ gave everyone another 7% on top of the last TA, that an agreement would have been reached? Doesn't sound very excessive.