Air Transat 211: Chaos In The Cockpit!

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Air Transat 211: Chaos In The Cockpit!

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This video is great. I kind of avoided these pilot YouTubers but this guy really does a good job.

[YouTube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAc8L7HC_Mk[/YouTube]

Sorry I can't get embed to work.
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Most of his are very solid. Factual, not dramatized and his background provides some good insight as well. Highly recommend all is accident videos.
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His channel is fantastic.
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Should be required viewing for new pilots on big airplanes. Maybe for line checkers too. I had no idea you couldn't overpower full nose down trim. Training in this country is sorely lacking.
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**** wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2024 1:24 pm Should be required viewing for new pilots on big airplanes. Maybe for line checkers too. I had no idea you couldn't overpower full nose down trim. Training in this country is sorely lacking.
Transport Canada and airline training doesn’t come close to covering all the gotcha’s out there. I just learned a new one a couple of days ago with a near crash at an outfit where I fly.

Pilots should be continuously searching in various areas for further information. Accident reports are just a start.
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**** wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2024 1:24 pm Should be required viewing for new pilots on big airplanes. Maybe for line checkers too. I had no idea you couldn't overpower full nose down trim. Training in this country is sorely lacking.
If you think it’s bad here… it’s the wild wild west stateside especially with part 91 and from what I’ve heard from friends even part 135.

I can’t think of a single training event I had stateside where I didn’t think « well isn’t this so called training a bit of a joke ».

I too enjoy his channel but was disappointed to see him plugging products… I get it. Flying a wide body doesn’t pay enough. Bring on the paid product sponsorships!

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TeePeeCreeper wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2024 3:50 pm
**** wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2024 1:24 pm Should be required viewing for new pilots on big airplanes. Maybe for line checkers too. I had no idea you couldn't overpower full nose down trim. Training in this country is sorely lacking.
If you think it’s bad here… it’s the wild wild west stateside especially with part 91 and from what I’ve heard from friends even part 135.

I can’t think of a single training event I had stateside where I didn’t think « well isn’t this so called training a bit of a joke ».

I too enjoy his channel but was disappointed to see him plugging products… I get it. Flying a wide body doesn’t pay enough. Bring on the paid product sponsorships!

TPC
He was a 737 training captain for a ULCC in Europe. Wanted to make his Youtube a business so he quit his airline job, and the ads are now a necessity to pay the bills. Easy to skip past and I for one am very happy he's continuing with his channel.
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TeePeeCreeper wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2024 3:50 pm
I can’t think of a single training event I had stateside where I didn’t think « well isn’t this so called training a bit of a joke ».
Oh god yes.

I remember quotes like:

'we don't teach that during an initial, we only cover that in recurrent training'
'I don't know what that button does, just don't touch it during the ride and you'll be fine'

:rolleyes:
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Canadaflyer46 wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2024 3:59 pm He was a 737 training captain for a ULCC in Europe. Wanted to make his Youtube a business so he quit his airline job, and the ads are now a necessity to pay the bills. Easy to skip past and I for one am very happy he's continuing with his channel.
I am not annoyed at him monitizing his channel throuyh advertising, I'm annoyed that it's done in clip as opposed to via actual ad, so my YouTube premium doesn't automatically skip it. Minor gripe.

Again, his channel is top notch for accident case studies. Throughout my career I've used accident reports as the basis for designing LOFTs and general sim training. Anybody who reads an accident report and thinks "they were idiots" or "that would never happen to me because of X" is kidding themselves and missing the lessons to be learned, because everybody in every report did not take-off thinking that the event would happen to them...
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**** wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2024 1:24 pm Should be required viewing for new pilots on big airplanes. Maybe for line checkers too. I had no idea you couldn't overpower full nose down trim. Training in this country is sorely lacking.
What!?

The pitch trim circuit breaker location is usually a memory item in most small turboprops. Most larger planes have either a stab trim cutout or a brake in case of a runaway.

We had a major airliner grounded for a year because the final hole in the Swiss cheese was nose down trim and the amount of force it produced through the feel and centring unit.
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Pretty bad that the training captain didn't simply trim nose-up. I believe that Lion Air F/O that had almost no experience did the same thing in the first Max crash. At least he had the excuse that he had little flying experience.
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Minor pet peeve but he’s getting the RVR values confused. In Europe they use meters, in Canada we use feet for RVR values.
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