It is imminent.......be ready.

[RippleRock]

We are on the cusp of a campaign to control your expectations.

BEWARE.

These tactics are designed to break your spirit. They are designed to control your thinking. You will be called greedy, you will be called unreasonable, you will be called unfair.

There is a huge amount of money at stake. A lot of money on the line that the Corp is not used to paying. They will do everything in their power to make you believe you are "just a Canadian pilot", not a "World Class Pilot." Your comparator is Westjet, no more.

The message will come from many angles, some expected, some surprising. The goal will be the same. Your expectations must be managed at ALL COST.

We are in the final stages of this process.....you WILL be -locked out- in late September. Perhaps only a day, maybe a week, possibly a month.

Never forget you are irreplaceable. Everything, EVERYTHING grinds to an immediate halt without you, as long as you believe.

Follow Charlene's lead to the letter. Do your survey. They're asking for your final position on wages. Be honest with yourself, and protect your future.


Above all....

HOLD THE LINE........it will be worth every dime, and every second of your time.

[‘Bob’]

I am ready and am in the process of selling my Air Canada stock.

[RippleRock]

I am ready and am in the process of selling my Air Canada stock.

That's nice. Free country. Don't forget to report your "capital gains" to Freeland. Uncle Fester needs his cut.

Just a reminder, Bob, the share price is not, and never was a pilot problem. We move aircraft, that's it.

If you have concerns about your "share value" I suggest you contact the Board of Directors. Maybe its time for them to get off their butts and compensate us like the "World Class airline" they want you to think they are.

[flyingcanuck]

I am ready and am in the process of selling my Air Canada stock.

That's nice. Free country. Don't forget to report your "capital gains" to Freeland. Uncle Fester needs his cut.

what gains?

[rookiepilot]

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[a2btrail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aK3YaIVvdLg

[itsgrosswhatinet]

I think it's important that we shine a light and call out every tactic as we see them. Even if you feel like a conspiracy nut.

Bob implied our job action is going to hurt the company financially. Yes, that's the point to get what deserve.

flyingcanuck pointed out the stock price is lower than it used to be. Yes, that doesn't mean the company isn't profitable and can't afford to give us what we deserve.

[itsgrosswhatinet]

Full disclosure I sold my shares last week too. It's your asset.

[thepoors]

We are on the cusp of a campaign to control your expectations.

BEWARE.

These tactics are designed to break your spirit. They are designed to control your thinking. You will be called greedy, you will be called unreasonable, you will be called unfair.

There is a huge amount of money at stake. A lot of money on the line that the Corp is not used to paying. They will do everything in their power to make you believe you are "just a Canadian pilot", not a "World Class Pilot." Your comparator is Westjet, no more.

The message will come from many angles, some expected, some surprising. The goal will be the same. Your expectations must be managed at ALL COST.

We are in the final stages of this process.....you WILL be -locked out- in late September. Perhaps only a day, maybe a week, possibly a month.

Never forget you are irreplaceable. Everything, EVERYTHING grinds to an immediate halt without you, as long as you believe.

Follow Charlene's lead to the letter. Do your survey. They're asking for your final position on wages. Be honest with yourself, and protect your future.


Above all....

HOLD THE LINE........it will be worth every dime, and every second of your time.

You really think they are stupid enough to lock us out? I mean I hope they do, but that will be tossing out whatever shred of reputation this company has left with the media/public.

[RippleRock]

We are on the cusp of a campaign to control your expectations.

BEWARE.

These tactics are designed to break your spirit. They are designed to control your thinking. You will be called greedy, you will be called unreasonable, you will be called unfair.

There is a huge amount of money at stake. A lot of money on the line that the Corp is not used to paying. They will do everything in their power to make you believe you are "just a Canadian pilot", not a "World Class Pilot." Your comparator is Westjet, no more.

The message will come from many angles, some expected, some surprising. The goal will be the same. Your expectations must be managed at ALL COST.

We are in the final stages of this process.....you WILL be -locked out- in late September. Perhaps only a day, maybe a week, possibly a month.

Never forget you are irreplaceable. Everything, EVERYTHING grinds to an immediate halt without you, as long as you believe.

Follow Charlene's lead to the letter. Do your survey. They're asking for your final position on wages. Be honest with yourself, and protect your future.


Above all....

HOLD THE LINE........it will be worth every dime, and every second of your time.

You really think they are stupid enough to lock us out? I mean I hope they do, but that will be tossing out whatever shred of reputation this company has left with the media/public.

They will not allow us to strike. That would leave assets in random locations all over the world. A logistical nightmare. They will need to wind down the operation in an orderly fashion, ensuring the aircraft are "where they want them"......not where we leave them.

So, yes, they will lock us out, 100%.

It will be a game of "brinkmanship". Who is going to blink first. There is no way our employer is going to happily walk away from the cheapest pilots ever to exist at a Legacy Carrier. Our new wages will be hard fought.....don't doubt it. Be ready.

[Blueontop]

In what world do these executives live in? Do they really believe we would blink first and not shut er down? This pilot group literally got nothing to lose by going on strike. It can’t get any worse than it is. There nothing left to give away and 1/3 of the group will make more on strike then their shitty fn wages at the NHL.

Do they not see the collective counting down the days to strike? This ain’t the same pilot group they dealt with 9 years ago and it ain’t fn ACPA!

Burn this fn place to ground if need be

[VFS]

There is zero chance the government lets you guys strike. So if you strike anyways the company, media and government will all publicly call you out and paint you as greedy and the bad guys. We just saw it with the WJ engineers, except you guys are more visible and air Canada is on a larger scale so the schmeer campaign will be much worse.
I wish you all the best but don’t believe you truly know how this will turn out, while the entire industry is on your side, the majority of the country will not be.

[theacolyte]

There is zero chance the government lets you guys strike. So if you strike anyways the company, media and government will all publicly call you out and paint you as greedy and the bad guys. We just saw it with the WJ engineers, except you guys are more visible and air Canada is on a larger scale so the schmeer campaign will be much worse.
I wish you all the best but don’t believe you truly know how this will turn out, while the entire industry is on your side, the majority of the country will not be.

wrong

[Nick678]

[quote=VFS post_id=<a href="tel:1313954">1313954</a> time=<a href="tel:1721008556">1721008556</a> user_id=103416]
There is zero chance the government lets you guys strike. So if you strike anyways the company, media and government will all publicly call you out and paint you as greedy and the bad guys. We just saw it with the WJ engineers, except you guys are more visible and air Canada is on a larger scale so the schmeer campaign will be much worse.
I wish you all the best but don’t believe you truly know how this will turn out, while the entire industry is on your side, the majority of the country will not be.

Gov is pretty soft, didn’t intervene on westjets final hours why would do it to ours? The power they used in the past was deemed unconstitutional.

Current union PR campaign is to gain public support.

wrong
[/quote]

[CaptDukeNukem]

Considering neither side has mentioned strike or lockout action, maybe we should wait to actually start speculating on union/company action.

I’m sure this will make the news when the time comes, but speculation now should be limited to flight deck talk.

[deblasiflies]

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[deblasiflies]

We are on the cusp of a campaign to control your expectations.

BEWARE.

These tactics are designed to break your spirit. They are designed to control your thinking. You will be called greedy, you will be called unreasonable, you will be called unfair.

There is a huge amount of money at stake. A lot of money on the line that the Corp is not used to paying. They will do everything in their power to make you believe you are "just a Canadian pilot", not a "World Class Pilot." Your comparator is Westjet, no more.

The message will come from many angles, some expected, some surprising. The goal will be the same. Your expectations must be managed at ALL COST.

We are in the final stages of this process.....you WILL be -locked out- in late September. Perhaps only a day, maybe a week, possibly a month.

Never forget you are irreplaceable. Everything, EVERYTHING grinds to an immediate halt without you, as long as you believe.

Follow Charlene's lead to the letter. Do your survey. They're asking for your final position on wages. Be honest with yourself, and protect your future.


Above all....

HOLD THE LINE........it will be worth every dime, and every second of your time.

You really think they are stupid enough to lock us out? I mean I hope they do, but that will be tossing out whatever shred of reputation this company has left with the media/public.

They will not allow us to strike. That would leave assets in random locations all over the world. A logistical nightmare. They will need to wind down the operation in an orderly fashion, ensuring the aircraft are "where they want them"......not where we leave them.

So, yes, they will lock us out, 100%.

It will be a game of "brinkmanship". Who is going to blink first. There is no way our employer is going to happily walk away from the cheapest pilots ever to exist at a Legacy Carrier. Our new wages will be hard fought.....don't doubt it. Be ready.

Just trying to wrap my head around this. If AC locks out pilots, don’t they have no airline? How would that pressure ALPA/the pilot group to give in? Can’t imagine they would literally stop all flights for weeks or months to refuse the desired contract. Not to mention the customer service required…

[Canadaflyer46]

You really think they are stupid enough to lock us out? I mean I hope they do, but that will be tossing out whatever shred of reputation this company has left with the media/public.

They will not allow us to strike. That would leave assets in random locations all over the world. A logistical nightmare. They will need to wind down the operation in an orderly fashion, ensuring the aircraft are "where they want them"......not where we leave them.

So, yes, they will lock us out, 100%.

It will be a game of "brinkmanship". Who is going to blink first. There is no way our employer is going to happily walk away from the cheapest pilots ever to exist at a Legacy Carrier. Our new wages will be hard fought.....don't doubt it. Be ready.

Just trying to wrap my head around this. If AC locks out pilots, don’t they have no airline? How would that pressure ALPA/the pilot group to give in? Can’t imagine they would literally stop all flights for weeks or months to refuse the desired contract. Not to mention the customer service required…

WestJet: ‘Hold my beer.’

[Fanblade]

There is zero chance the government lets you guys strike.

The world has changed. After all the back to work legislation during the Harper years and all the litigation that ensued. The Sup court made the right to strike a constitutional right.

The government can not legally stop a strike. They have mechanisms through the CIRB after a strike starts but they are not quick.

[Fanblade]

They will not allow us to strike. That would leave assets in random locations all over the world. A logistical nightmare. They will need to wind down the operation in an orderly fashion, ensuring the aircraft are "where they want them"......not where we leave them.

So, yes, they will lock us out, 100%.

It will be a game of "brinkmanship". Who is going to blink first. There is no way our employer is going to happily walk away from the cheapest pilots ever to exist at a Legacy Carrier. Our new wages will be hard fought.....don't doubt it. Be ready.

In Canada strike notice from the union and lockout notice from the company are normally simultaneous. It’s a blur at the time of who did what first. Each side moving strategically to protect their rights. Even when the company moves first to lockout it is usually reported as a strike.

[thepoors]

You really think they are stupid enough to lock us out? I mean I hope they do, but that will be tossing out whatever shred of reputation this company has left with the media/public.

They will not allow us to strike. That would leave assets in random locations all over the world. A logistical nightmare. They will need to wind down the operation in an orderly fashion, ensuring the aircraft are "where they want them"......not where we leave them.

So, yes, they will lock us out, 100%.

It will be a game of "brinkmanship". Who is going to blink first. There is no way our employer is going to happily walk away from the cheapest pilots ever to exist at a Legacy Carrier. Our new wages will be hard fought.....don't doubt it. Be ready.

Just trying to wrap my head around this. If AC locks out pilots, don’t they have no airline? How would that pressure ALPA/the pilot group to give in? Can’t imagine they would literally stop all flights for weeks or months to refuse the desired contract. Not to mention the customer service required…

I'm with you there. I don't see how/why the company would have any motivation for a lockout, it will only work in our favour not theirs. They have dragged these negots out precisely to avoid a work stoppage for as long as possible. What would they accomplish with a lockout? Either way, we have them by the balls. Let's get this done, and get the wawcon we deserve.

[goingnowherefast]

They will not allow us to strike. That would leave assets in random locations all over the world. A logistical nightmare. They will need to wind down the operation in an orderly fashion, ensuring the aircraft are "where they want them"......not where we leave them.

So, yes, they will lock us out, 100%.

It will be a game of "brinkmanship". Who is going to blink first. There is no way our employer is going to happily walk away from the cheapest pilots ever to exist at a Legacy Carrier. Our new wages will be hard fought.....don't doubt it. Be ready.

In Canada strike notice from the union and lockout notice from the company are normally simultaneous. It’s a blur at the time of who did what first. Each side moving strategically to protect their rights. Even when the company moves first to lockout it is usually reported as a strike.

72-hr strike notice gives the opportunity for them to get the planes where they want them. I'm sure the response would be a lock-out and strike occurring concurrently. However, the lockout will also be lifted concurrently with a potential strike ending.

I can't imagine a scenario where any employee group is locked out and there is no strike.

[JustaCanadian]

Looking forward to see when AC shuts things down with a lockout and has to explain to their passengers why they can't give pilots a raise to be closer to comparable pilots doing the same work. Then also justify why the CEO needed over 200 percent raise.

I think enough Canadians are sick of the cost of living and the C suite compensation. It is going to look completely out of touch to disrupt passengers plans to say "we can only afford to pay our pilots half of what other airlines pay, but our ceo needed a 200% plus raise. This is why you are missing that funeral you are flying to"

If they had half a brain they would take ALPA's offer today and make a statement like the US airlines leadership do. Something along the lines of how we see our employees as extremely valuable assets, and look forward to a positive relationship going forward where we compensate for the work they do. That is leadership. And if this doesn't happen you will not have happy employee groups going forward. Want to see a company fail? Keep asserting your employees are worth less, every company with that attitude will drive the company to fail.

Honestly so bizarre to see how pathetic the leadership at AC vs say japan airlines CEO, and the American carriers who constantly reinforce how valuable their employees are.

[flying4dollars]

Looking forward to see when AC shuts things down with a lockout and has to explain to their passengers why they can't give pilots a raise to be closer to comparable pilots doing the same work. Then also justify why the CEO needed over 200 percent raise.

I think enough Canadians are sick of the cost of living and the C suite compensation. It is going to look completely out of touch to disrupt passengers plans to say "we can only afford to pay our pilots half of what other airlines pay, but our ceo needed a 200% plus raise. This is why you are missing that funeral you are flying to"

If they had half a brain they would take ALPA's offer today and make a statement like the US airlines leadership do. Something along the lines of how we see our employees as extremely valuable assets, and look forward to a positive relationship going forward where we compensate for the work they do. That is leadership. And if this doesn't happen you will not have happy employee groups going forward. Want to see a company fail? Keep asserting your employees are worth less, every company with that attitude will drive the company to fail.

Honestly so bizarre to see how pathetic the leadership at AC vs say japan airlines CEO, and the American carriers who constantly reinforce how valuable their employees are.

This!

[RippleRock]

Don't forget "this is Canada".

In this "socialist leaning country" which has more in common with Cuba than the US. The Canadian public is "hardwired" to reject anyone else making more money than they are. That includes anyone. The less the complainers make, the more opposed they are to anyone making more. Sympathy will be nearly non-existent with the average traveller.

Our fight will NOT be won in the Canadian "Court of Public Opinion".....sorry.


It will be won on our determination, by appreciating the value of work we do and putting a realistic value on the sacrifices we make to keep the operation running. FULL STOP.


How high the bar rises, or doesn't, depends on individual willingness to HOLD the LINE. This is 100% a participation activity.



FWIW, I wish the strike vote was an "open vote". Those who undermine ALPA in its endevour to reach "wage parity" with our North American counterparts by voting "no", should be stuck with the current contract. Every rotting bit of it. I mean, why drag any "black lanyard wearer" kicking and screaming into better wages and working conditions??? By wearing anything other than a "red lanyard" they are actively "showing their hand" in that they don't wish any gains for you or your family. Why should they get any gains on your effort by "default".