Which sh!tty operator is advertising internationally?

[Bingo Fuel]

https://financialpost.com/news/imf-fore ... my-g7-2025

Link to the IMF forecast:
https://www.imf.org/-/media/Files/Publi ... /text.ashx

[braaap Braap]

https://financialpost.com/news/imf-fore ... my-g7-2025

Doesn't fit his narrative; so it doesn't count. Try again.

[khedrei]

https://financialpost.com/news/imf-fore ... my-g7-2025

Doesn't fit his narrative; so it doesn't count. Try again.

I dont have a narrative. But good on you for trying to engage in normal civil discussion.

That's great news. Thanks for posting. Except you just proved my point.

Ill ask you in a way you might be able to understand...

If you live in a 2000 sq foot house by yourself and I invite myself, my brother, and Trudeau to come live with you but promise to put a 2000 sq foot addition on the house would you say that you have more space? I mean, you have 4000 sq feet now, how could you not.

If you don't understand an economy on a per capita basis, which is what I was talking about above, I don't think I can help you.

The economy growing at 2.4% means nothing if the population grows by 3.4%. Actually it does mean something.... it means it didn't grow, it shrank.

And you think because I can do basic math I have a narrative??

Try again.

[CaptDukeNukem]

https://financialpost.com/news/imf-fore ... my-g7-2025

Doesn't fit his narrative; so it doesn't count. Try again.

I dont have a narrative. But good on you for trying to engage in normal civil discussion.

That's great news. Thanks for posting. Except you just proved my point.

Ill ask you in a way you might be able to understand...

If you live in a 2000 sq foot house by yourself and I invite myself, my brother, and Trudeau to come live with you but promise to put a 2000 sq foot addition on the house would you say that you have more space? I mean, you have 4000 sq feet now, how could you not.

If you don't understand an economy on a per capita basis, which is what I was talking about above, I don't think I can help you.

The economy growing at 2.4% means nothing if the population grows by 3.4%. Actually it does mean something.... it means it didn't grow, it shrank.

And you think because I can do basic math I have a narrative??

Try again.

You should definitely move to the “better” countries if you feel this way.

[khedrei]

There you go confusing feelings with facts. I don't FEEL this way, it IS this way.

Fact: canada is doing terribly when it comes to GDPnper capita among other metrics.

Feeling: I feel SAD because of this FACT.

Regarding going to a better country, I already said, I'm working on it.

[CaptDukeNukem]

There you go confusing feelings with facts. I don't FEEL this way, it IS this way.

Fact: canada is doing terribly when it comes to GDPnper capita among other metrics.

Feeling: I feel SAD because of this FACT.

Regarding going to a better country, I already said, I'm working on it.

Best of luck. Let us know how it goes

[CaptDukeNukem]

Also. Slight rebuttal… if you’re angry or sad or concerned about how things are run… those are feelings. So you wanting to leave the country is in FACT based on your FEELINGS.

But carry on. Boxum Arrival hasn’t changed. “Same as last time?”

[Bingo Fuel]

Fact: canada is doing terribly when it comes to GDPnper capita among other metrics.

3rd best GDP per capita in the G7.

https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/rankin ... ta_ppp/G7/

EDIT: Changed link to a source that isn't behind a paywall.

[CaptDukeNukem]

Fact: canada is doing terribly when it comes to GDPnper capita among other metrics.

3rd best GDP per capita in the G7.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/137 ... er-capita/

Paid for subscription news links also a no-no, take a screenshot if you wanna make a point

[Bingo Fuel]

Fact: canada is doing terribly when it comes to GDPnper capita among other metrics.

3rd best GDP per capita in the G7.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/137 ... er-capita/

Paid for subscription news links also a no-no, take a screenshot if you wanna make a point

Sorry, worked for me the first time I viewed it, but it seems that subsequent viewings are behind a paywall. Changed to a different source. Thanks!

[theacolyte]

Complaining is one thing, but these statements are just silly. Appreciate what you have, it could be much much worse.

How about, our standard of living is declining and it appears set to accelerate based on the policies of the current government(incredibly frivolous spending and economic self-strangulation based on policies that have no actual benefit except to transfer wealth to other countries on a massive scale).

I'm not debating the absolute value of that statement (even though I don't agree with it, but it's irrelevant for the point I'm making). I'm debating the comparison to other countries.

You can find the exact sentiment you're writing down in probably every western country today. Canada is not unique in that regards. Housing prices are going up everywhere. Inflation is significant everywhere. Immigration (good or bad) is happening everywhere. Cultures changing is happening everywhere. Aging population is happening everywhere. Climate change policies (with associated costs and taxes) are being implemented everywhere, and often way stricter than in Canada.

With 'everywhere' meaning the advanced world referenced above.

Wait, you don't think the standard of living in Canada has declined in the last 15-20 years?

Are you blind?

Or are you comparing it to YOUR standard or living which could have remained the same for all I know. But that's not how you gauge a society. When the society as a whole is struggling (which it most definitely is), the whole country suffers and the social fabric is affected even the high earners.

Which is why as a high earner I want the rest of my fellow citizens to succeed and have a good life.

This whole "it's going up everywhere" is a typical Liberal argument. No, things ARE NOT going up the same level they are in Canada, or at as fast a rate as they are in Canada and that is factual based on data. Our inflation is out of control, our grocery prices are rising faster than any G20 country. Rent is through the roof (but I'd argue this is high everywhere, but rent is not how you base the success of a country) and our housing prices are out of reach for 60-70+% of the population that wasn't lucky enough to get in before the late 20-teens boom.

You are so very disconnected from the reality of many working class Canadians, many of which I am very close friends and family with.

[CaptDukeNukem]

3rd best GDP per capita in the G7.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/137 ... er-capita/

Paid for subscription news links also a no-no, take a screenshot if you wanna make a point

Sorry, worked for me the first time I viewed it, but it seems that subsequent viewings are behind a paywall. Changed to a different source. Thanks!

No worries!! I’ve made the same mistake!

[CaptDukeNukem]

Fact: canada is doing terribly when it comes to GDPnper capita among other metrics.

3rd best GDP per capita in the G7.

https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/rankin ... ta_ppp/G7/

EDIT: Changed link to a source that isn't behind a paywall.

Love this. Thanks for changing the paywall!

[CaptDukeNukem]

How about, our standard of living is declining and it appears set to accelerate based on the policies of the current government(incredibly frivolous spending and economic self-strangulation based on policies that have no actual benefit except to transfer wealth to other countries on a massive scale).

I'm not debating the absolute value of that statement (even though I don't agree with it, but it's irrelevant for the point I'm making). I'm debating the comparison to other countries.

You can find the exact sentiment you're writing down in probably every western country today. Canada is not unique in that regards. Housing prices are going up everywhere. Inflation is significant everywhere. Immigration (good or bad) is happening everywhere. Cultures changing is happening everywhere. Aging population is happening everywhere. Climate change policies (with associated costs and taxes) are being implemented everywhere, and often way stricter than in Canada.

With 'everywhere' meaning the advanced world referenced above.

Wait, you don't think the standard of living in Canada has declined in the last 15-20 years?

Are you blind?

Or are you comparing it to YOUR standard or living which could have remained the same for all I know. But that's not how you gauge a society. When the society as a whole is struggling (which it most definitely is), the whole country suffers and the social fabric is affected even the high earners.

Which is why as a high earner I want the rest of my fellow citizens to succeed and have a good life.

This whole "it's going up everywhere" is a typical Liberal argument. No, things ARE NOT going up the same level they are in Canada, or at as fast a rate as they are in Canada and that is factual based on data. Our inflation is out of control, our grocery prices are rising faster than any G20 country. Rent is through the roof (but I'd argue this is high everywhere, but rent is not how you base the success of a country) and our housing prices are out of reach for 60-70+% of the population that wasn't lucky enough to get in before the late 20-teens boom.

You are so very disconnected from the reality of many working class Canadians, many of which I am very close friends and family with.

Is this why you signed up for 4 years of flat pay?

Edit: APOLOGIES. I’m not sure you’re at AC.

[digits_]

How about, our standard of living is declining and it appears set to accelerate based on the policies of the current government(incredibly frivolous spending and economic self-strangulation based on policies that have no actual benefit except to transfer wealth to other countries on a massive scale).

I'm not debating the absolute value of that statement (even though I don't agree with it, but it's irrelevant for the point I'm making). I'm debating the comparison to other countries.

You can find the exact sentiment you're writing down in probably every western country today. Canada is not unique in that regards. Housing prices are going up everywhere. Inflation is significant everywhere. Immigration (good or bad) is happening everywhere. Cultures changing is happening everywhere. Aging population is happening everywhere. Climate change policies (with associated costs and taxes) are being implemented everywhere, and often way stricter than in Canada.

With 'everywhere' meaning the advanced world referenced above.

Wait, you don't think the standard of living in Canada has declined in the last 15-20 years?

I think it has declined. I disagree with the analysis that this has been significantly influenced by one side of the political spectrum.

Europe has a variety of countries, each with a different type of government, and the majority of the countries are experiencing very similar issues. Some worse, some better.

A major benefit of Canada though is that you can likely fairly easily improve your situation. The hardest hit areas are Toronto and Vancouver. Move to a rural prairie town, and your housing costs will get decimated. That's an option most Europeans don't have, as a lot of areas don't have rural towns left.

Here's a thought experiment: assuming visas and work permits aren't an issue, where would you move to to improve your situation? Where would you suggest young working class Canadians move to to improve theirs?

[CaptDukeNukem]

I'm not debating the absolute value of that statement (even though I don't agree with it, but it's irrelevant for the point I'm making). I'm debating the comparison to other countries.

You can find the exact sentiment you're writing down in probably every western country today. Canada is not unique in that regards. Housing prices are going up everywhere. Inflation is significant everywhere. Immigration (good or bad) is happening everywhere. Cultures changing is happening everywhere. Aging population is happening everywhere. Climate change policies (with associated costs and taxes) are being implemented everywhere, and often way stricter than in Canada.

With 'everywhere' meaning the advanced world referenced above.

Wait, you don't think the standard of living in Canada has declined in the last 15-20 years?

I think it has declined. I disagree with the analysis that this has been significantly influenced by one side of the political spectrum.

Europe has a variety of countries, each with a different type of government, and the majority of the countries are experiencing very similar issues. Some worse, some better.

A major benefit of Canada though is that you can likely fairly easily improve your situation. The hardest hit areas are Toronto and Vancouver. Move to a rural prairie town, and your housing costs will get decimated. That's an option most Europeans don't have, as a lot of areas don't have rural towns left.

Here's a thought experiment: assuming visas and work permits aren't an issue, where would you move to to improve your situation? Where would you suggest young working class Canadians move to to improve theirs?

You should go visit Europe. There’s A LOT of rural area and small towns.

[khedrei]

Fact: canada is doing terribly when it comes to GDPnper capita among other metrics.

3rd best GDP per capita in the G7.

https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/rankin ... ta_ppp/G7/

EDIT: Changed link to a source that isn't behind a paywall.

Love this. Thanks for changing the paywall!

You're aware this is from 2022 right???

Here you go... from you're guys favorite Financial post. The one that just bragged about how good our economy was doing. Clearly they, and you can so easily take things out of context and find the things we want to find.

https://financialpost.com/news/economy/ ... -recession

The GDP per capita is in a NEGATIVE. That is a FACT. Yes, it is a feeling that I'm sad that our country is going down the toilet. Buts it's not a feeling that it is on the decline. How we got there is certainly a debate that can be had. I do think it's based on the one side of political policies. There is only one government that has been in power the last 9 years. 4? Of it was a Majority. Yes, Europe has both sides of the political isle screwing up their countries but it's clear who is at fault these last 9 years. The government, and the attitudes of the public that think these socialist policies are a good thing.

I am arguably part of the upper middle class and I am doing OK. But I still see the destruction around me and my life is harder financially than it was just a few years ago.

To answer your question, I haven't completely decided on where I might go to have a better life. Well, the US for sure, but I haven't decided on a state. Texas, Florida, Montana, and a couple others are in the top choices. Part of that is because of the pilot wages. That being said, given your scenario, I would say that most Red states would be a better option for young people wanting to raise a family. I'm still not on board with all their policies but personally the choice is better than anything canada currently has to offer.

[Bingo Fuel]

3rd best GDP per capita in the G7.

https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/rankin ... ta_ppp/G7/

EDIT: Changed link to a source that isn't behind a paywall.

Love this. Thanks for changing the paywall!

You're aware this is from 2022 right???

https://posts.voronoiapp.com/economy/GD ... tions-1562

Not that I think GDP per capita is a useful metric. Just shows that the 0.1% are doing alright. GDP per capita is being used as a cudgel to try and blame immigrants and foreigners for domestic greed by wealthy individuals and corporations. Liberals and Conservatives will do nothing to stop this. Just back and forth forever until we find a different way.

[khedrei]

Love this. Thanks for changing the paywall!

You're aware this is from 2022 right???

https://posts.voronoiapp.com/economy/GD ... tions-1562

Not that I think GDP per capita is a useful metric. Just shows that the 0.1% are doing alright. GDP per capita is being used as a cudgel to try and blame immigrants and foreigners for domestic greed by wealthy individuals and corporations. Liberals and Conservatives will do nothing to stop this. Just back and forth forever until we find a different way.

I suppose MEAN GDP per capita would be a better metric. That would exclude the .1%

[Bingo Fuel]

I suppose MEAN GDP per capita would be a better metric. That would exclude the .1%

You didn't present any facts to prove your point, you just want to keep on blaming immigrants by making the discussion about "per capita" metrics.

Billionaires and corporations love it when you do that. Just look at housing. If we have such a dire need for houses, why are developers pausing construction on so many projects?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ ... -1.7205968

They're artificially constraining the supply, because they don't want to lose their record profits. They don't actually want the prices to go down. Liberals and Conservatives don't want the prices to go down either, because they'll loose the boomer vote. We're just going to keep getting gouged.

We need non-market solutions. Cell prices are lower in Saskatchewan because of SaskTel. Create public options for housing and groceries, and then force the private sector to compete.

But that's not the Canadian way. We're just going to keep privatizing, while the private sector keeps getting richer and richer. Just look at the LCBO workers in Ontario fighting for higher wages as Doug Ford focuses on selling booze in grocery stores.

But sure, keep blaming immigrants as the billionaires keep robbing us blind.

[khedrei]

I suppose MEAN GDP per capita would be a better metric. That would exclude the .1%

You didn't present any facts to prove your point, you just want to keep on blaming immigrants by making the discussion about "per capita" metrics.

Billionaires and corporations love it when you do that. Just look at housing. If we have such a dire need for houses, why are developers pausing construction on so many projects?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ ... -1.7205968

They're artificially constraining the supply, because they don't want to lose their record profits. They don't actually want the prices to go down. Liberals and Conservatives don't want the prices to go down either, because they'll loose the boomer vote. We're just going to keep getting gouged.

We need non-market solutions. Cell prices are lower in Saskatchewan because of SaskTel. Create public options for housing and groceries, and then force the private sector to compete.

But that's not the Canadian way. We're just going to keep privatizing, while the private sector keeps getting richer and richer. Just look at the LCBO workers in Ontario fighting for higher wages as Doug Ford focuses on selling booze in grocery stores.

But sure, keep blaming immigrants as the billionaires keep robbing us blind.

Please show me where I blamed immigrants for anything....

And of course I presented facts. Every bit of data we have says per capita GDB is getting worse. Are you denying that? Going to be hard to have a conversation if you don't think the average canadian is making less and less money. Not sure what more I can show you.

[Bingo Fuel]

I suppose MEAN GDP per capita would be a better metric. That would exclude the .1%

You didn't present any facts to prove your point, you just want to keep on blaming immigrants by making the discussion about "per capita" metrics.

Billionaires and corporations love it when you do that. Just look at housing. If we have such a dire need for houses, why are developers pausing construction on so many projects?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ ... -1.7205968

They're artificially constraining the supply, because they don't want to lose their record profits. They don't actually want the prices to go down. Liberals and Conservatives don't want the prices to go down either, because they'll loose the boomer vote. We're just going to keep getting gouged.

We need non-market solutions. Cell prices are lower in Saskatchewan because of SaskTel. Create public options for housing and groceries, and then force the private sector to compete.

But that's not the Canadian way. We're just going to keep privatizing, while the private sector keeps getting richer and richer. Just look at the LCBO workers in Ontario fighting for higher wages as Doug Ford focuses on selling booze in grocery stores.

But sure, keep blaming immigrants as the billionaires keep robbing us blind.

And of course I presented facts. Every bit of data we have says per capita GDB is getting worse. Are you denying that? Going to be hard to have a conversation if you don't think the average canadian is making less and less money. Not sure what more I can show you.

I just showed you that Canada's GDP per capita is increasing. Repeatedly. 3rd best in the G7. You gave yet to provide any evidence for your "mean GDP per capita" metric. The burden of proof is on you.

I do stand corrected, your issue appears to be with "population growth" compared to our economic growth. Apologies for jumping to conclusions.

The economy growing at 2.4% means nothing if the population grows by 3.4%. Actually it does mean something.... it means it didn't grow, it shrank.

[khedrei]

You didn't present any facts to prove your point, you just want to keep on blaming immigrants by making the discussion about "per capita" metrics.

Billionaires and corporations love it when you do that. Just look at housing. If we have such a dire need for houses, why are developers pausing construction on so many projects?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ ... -1.7205968

They're artificially constraining the supply, because they don't want to lose their record profits. They don't actually want the prices to go down. Liberals and Conservatives don't want the prices to go down either, because they'll loose the boomer vote. We're just going to keep getting gouged.

We need non-market solutions. Cell prices are lower in Saskatchewan because of SaskTel. Create public options for housing and groceries, and then force the private sector to compete.

But that's not the Canadian way. We're just going to keep privatizing, while the private sector keeps getting richer and richer. Just look at the LCBO workers in Ontario fighting for higher wages as Doug Ford focuses on selling booze in grocery stores.

But sure, keep blaming immigrants as the billionaires keep robbing us blind.

And of course I presented facts. Every bit of data we have says per capita GDB is getting worse. Are you denying that? Going to be hard to have a conversation if you don't think the average canadian is making less and less money. Not sure what more I can show you.

I just showed you that Canada's GDP per capita is increasing. Repeatedly. 3rd best in the G7. You gave yet to provide any evidence for your "mean GDP per capita" metric. The burden of proof is on you.

I do stand corrected, your issue appears to be with "population growth" compared to our economic growth. Apologies for jumping to conclusions.

The economy growing at 2.4% means nothing if the population grows by 3.4%. Actually it does mean something.... it means it didn't grow, it shrank.

Where did you show me that GDP per capita was increasing? The article was from 2022.

I just posted one from 2024 regarding GDP per capita and it stated exactly what I said. The outlook is grim. RBC said it was "concerning" I think was the wording. GDP per capita is going down in this country. For 7 quarters in a row if I read it correctly.

Weaker-than-expected GDP coupled with Statistics Canada’s forecast for flat growth in March, “leaves output for Q1 as a whole tracking (by our count) a seventh consecutive per-capita decline,” RBC economist Claire Fan said in a note

Also, if you think billionaires are at fault for our GDP per capita yet the country with the most billionaires is doing the best... care to explain? Don't get me wrong, I have plenty of issues with billionaires but they don't seem to be causing the issues with Canada.

Seriously... government grocery stores? More government housing? Is Feb 2022 too far in the past to remember? You seriously want more socialism??

[Bingo Fuel]

Fine. More GDP per capita data then:
Canada:
https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper ... hlight=CAN

World:
https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper ... C/WEOWORLD

As for your source, yes, it does look pretty dire, but only talks about Q1 2024. The sources I posted indicate an overall positive trend year over year.

But I will reiterate: I don't think it's a useful metric. It just shows that other countries are struggling just as bad as we are. Focusing solely on Canada's performance misses the context of how the rest of the world is doing.

Seriously... government grocery stores? More government housing? Is Feb 2022 too far in the past to remember? You seriously want more socialism??

Our current system is not socialism, and whatever you want to call it, it ain't working for us. Public cell service works in Saskatchewan. Why not try it in other sectors?

[khedrei]

The article says 7th straight quarter of decline, but ok....

We will have to agree to disagree that GDP per capita doesn't mean anything. I think it means a lot but you are entitled to your opinion on it.

I do agree, things are not working here but I personally don't want the government doing any new jobs until they can at least do their current jobs properly. Civil servant jobs increased in numbers and salary exponentially yet their productivity has never been worse. They threw up their arms in protest when they were simply asked to COME TO WORK a mere 2 days per week. A joke.

The US has its problems no doubt, but the average person there is doing better than the average person here.