theacolyte wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 2:08 pm
The funny part is they don’t even need to say it. Because anyone applying for the job already knows what the compensation is.
This is 100% just for public posturing. Company is starting to negotiate in public and expect it to get worse over the next few weeks.
I have family members that still don’t believe that year 1 pay at AC is 58K and depending on position/base, you can be on full reserve blocks.
They also didn’t believe me when I told them how little I made at Jazz until I showed them my T4.
Isn’t like 40% of AC pilots still on flat pay ?
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Please tell me that you guys aren't surprised about the "optics game" that's kicking into higher gear. You have been warned.
Steel yourselves. It's just beginning, and it will get far worse.
By the end of the storm that's coming, you will be wondering why you are being so "selfish and greedy" wanting a livable, fair wage if you don't....grow a pair, and.....
RippleRock wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 4:25 pm
Please tell me that you guys aren't surprised about the "optics game" that's kicking into higher gear. You have been warned.
Steel yourselves. It's just beginning, and it will get far worse.
By the end of the storm that's coming, you will be wondering why you are being so "selfish and greedy" wanting a livable, fair wage if you don't....grow a pair, and.....
HOLD the LINE.
I don't think this is relevant with the majority of the group. The only ones feeling that way are the stockholm syndromed boomers and gen x'ers here. I've flown with a few of them. Don't get me wrong, great to fly with but it is evident they have felt the effects of being beaten by the demoralization stick for too long. The majority seem ok to see the place burn down if that's what it takes. The results of a strike vote will echo that.
RippleRock wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 4:25 pm
Please tell me that you guys aren't surprised about the "optics game" that's kicking into higher gear. You have been warned.
Steel yourselves. It's just beginning, and it will get far worse.
By the end of the storm that's coming, you will be wondering why you are being so "selfish and greedy" wanting a livable, fair wage if you don't....grow a pair, and.....
HOLD the LINE.
I don't think this is relevant with the majority of the group. The only ones feeling that way are the stockholm syndromed boomers and gen x'ers here. I've flown with a few of them. Don't get me wrong, great to fly with but it is evident they have felt the effects of being beaten by the demoralization stick for too long. The majority seem ok to see the place burn down if that's what it takes. The results of a strike vote will echo that.
Please don't conflate Gen X with boomers.
And I see my share of clueless millennial kiss-asses here too. There are plenty in each generation.
Let's not get divided by age. We're all vulnerable to propaganda. Some are trained to believe the newspaper, some to the TV, some trained to believe Google.
We need to be alert for propaganda targeting the public and the politicians not just us. Great job getting the fake salary removed from Indeed.
RippleRock wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 4:25 pm
Please tell me that you guys aren't surprised about the "optics game" that's kicking into higher gear. You have been warned.
Steel yourselves. It's just beginning, and it will get far worse.
By the end of the storm that's coming, you will be wondering why you are being so "selfish and greedy" wanting a livable, fair wage if you don't....grow a pair, and.....
HOLD the LINE.
I don't think this is relevant with the majority of the group. The only ones feeling that way are the stockholm syndromed boomers and gen x'ers here. I've flown with a few of them. Don't get me wrong, great to fly with but it is evident they have felt the effects of being beaten by the demoralization stick for too long. The majority seem ok to see the place burn down if that's what it takes. The results of a strike vote will echo that.
Please don't conflate Gen X with boomers.
And I see my share of clueless millennial kiss-asses here too. There are plenty in each generation.
Yeah I just talked to one the other day. “No way you think we’re getting more than westjet”. Saying it’s not sustainable and we’re going to bankrupt AC. This person is in their mid30s. I had to walk away before I blew a gasket.
I don't think this is relevant with the majority of the group. The only ones feeling that way are the stockholm syndromed boomers and gen x'ers here. I've flown with a few of them. Don't get me wrong, great to fly with but it is evident they have felt the effects of being beaten by the demoralization stick for too long. The majority seem ok to see the place burn down if that's what it takes. The results of a strike vote will echo that.
Please don't conflate Gen X with boomers.
And I see my share of clueless millennial kiss-asses here too. There are plenty in each generation.
Yeah I just talked to one the other day. “No way you think we’re getting more than westjet”. Saying it’s not sustainable and we’re going to bankrupt AC. This person is in their mid30s. I had to walk away before I blew a gasket.
I’m in my mid 30s as well. So to clarify, this individual does NOT think AC will get more than WJ? It appears that a certain percentage of each generation are going to say some wild shit.
And I see my share of clueless millennial kiss-asses here too. There are plenty in each generation.
Yeah I just talked to one the other day. “No way you think we’re getting more than westjet”. Saying it’s not sustainable and we’re going to bankrupt AC. This person is in their mid30s. I had to walk away before I blew a gasket.
I’m in my mid 30s as well. So to clarify, this individual does NOT think AC will get more than WJ? It appears that a certain percentage of each generation are going to say some wild shit.
Correct. And the idea of USD but converted to CAD was a total foreign concept. It was a very weird conversation. Typical arguments like “well you can’t work in the USA” etc. it felt like I was talking to a manager but they were a new hire that was 32-33. When I said he should be making 140k+ as a new hire he was like baffled at the idea.
It’s the 2000 new hires the last few years that I’m most worried about going into a vote. The post Covid new hires.
RippleRock wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 4:25 pm
Please tell me that you guys aren't surprised about the "optics game" that's kicking into higher gear. You have been warned.
Steel yourselves. It's just beginning, and it will get far worse.
By the end of the storm that's coming, you will be wondering why you are being so "selfish and greedy" wanting a livable, fair wage if you don't....grow a pair, and.....
HOLD the LINE.
I don't think this is relevant with the majority of the group. The only ones feeling that way are the stockholm syndromed boomers and gen x'ers here. I've flown with a few of them. Don't get me wrong, great to fly with but it is evident they have felt the effects of being beaten by the demoralization stick for too long. The majority seem ok to see the place burn down if that's what it takes. The results of a strike vote will echo that.
Please don't conflate Gen X with boomers.
And I see my share of clueless millennial kiss-asses here too. There are plenty in each generation.
Wasn't meant to be derogatory by any means. None of the younger gens I've interacted with seem to think we will get a very small increase and are in fact quite hungry for a big gain and are confidently expecting it. The ones who think we will get something nominal are the more senior pilots and I've heard the number 15% too many times from a few of them I have yet to meet a younger gen with that belief. This is just my observation. I do not have access to the survey data. It is not meant to be divisive.
Every single new hire I've flown with is expecting big things. I'm sure there are a few out there who aren't expecting much but I've yet to meet one. I'm also seeing that with people who have been around a while too.
I have a lot of confidence in this union and happy to have them. Now we just need to back them up with our actions when the time comes.
I don't think this is relevant with the majority of the group. The only ones feeling that way are the stockholm syndromed boomers and gen x'ers here. I've flown with a few of them. Don't get me wrong, great to fly with but it is evident they have felt the effects of being beaten by the demoralization stick for too long. The majority seem ok to see the place burn down if that's what it takes. The results of a strike vote will echo that.
Please don't conflate Gen X with boomers.
And I see my share of clueless millennial kiss-asses here too. There are plenty in each generation.
Wasn't meant to be derogatory by any means. None of the younger gens I've interacted with seem to think we will get a very small increase and are in fact quite hungry for a big gain and are confidently expecting it. The ones who think we will get something nominal are the more senior pilots and I've heard the number 15% too many times from a few of them I have yet to meet a younger gen with that belief. This is just my observation. I do not have access to the survey data. It is not meant to be divisive.
They could both be right. A 15% raise on a 300k salary is the same amount as a 75% raise on a 60k salary...
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And I see my share of clueless millennial kiss-asses here too. There are plenty in each generation.
Wasn't meant to be derogatory by any means. None of the younger gens I've interacted with seem to think we will get a very small increase and are in fact quite hungry for a big gain and are confidently expecting it. The ones who think we will get something nominal are the more senior pilots and I've heard the number 15% too many times from a few of them I have yet to meet a younger gen with that belief. This is just my observation. I do not have access to the survey data. It is not meant to be divisive.
They could both be right. A 15% raise on a 300k salary is the same amount as a 75% raise on a 60k salary...
It's ironic that our execs have gutted customer service and employee relations in order to maximize value for shareholders, yet the stock price is in the gutter.
I saw someone on Tic-Tok claiming that the first 4 years at air canada don't exist either. Planespotter.hari if I remember correctly. I'll see if I can find it and post here as well.
‘Bob’ wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2024 6:59 pm
The ad never said it was starting pay.
How are you going to be “as good as Delta” when you don’t even have basic reading comprehension?
It’s intentionally misleading “bob”. Talks about captain pay and skins over “starting off as a FO or RP”.
To Joe off the street or a journalist doing research for an upcoming strike one would assume that is around where one is starting.
Ad should have been straight up. All new hires start as FO or RP, year one annual salary is $59k. Based out of the most expensive cities in Canada/the world.
I have yet to meet a younger gen with that belief. This is just my observation. I do not have access to the survey data. It is not meant to be divisive.
