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Hi all
Does anybody know if they still hire DEC ? Also how firm are they on the PIC hours ? I need 30h to meet the threshold lol


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Super strict. You might need to rent a C152 and get the hours.
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CaptDukeNukem wrote: Thu Aug 15, 2024 10:58 am Super strict. You might need to rent a C152 and get the hours.
These 30 hrs in the C152 doing circuits can save lives!
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Why would you want to go there to fly all night for $138/hr as the lowest paid widebody captain on planet Earth? Go to Porter and make double that.
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Canadaflyer46 wrote: Thu Aug 15, 2024 1:04 pm Why would you want to go there to fly all night for $138/hr as the lowest paid widebody captain on planet Earth? Go to Porter and make double that.
It’s clear that this person isn’t qualified to be a Cargojet DEC, missing 30 hours of PIC……. So mewt point.
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AmNotAnonymous wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2024 6:08 pm Hi all
Does anybody know if they still hire DEC ? Also how firm are they on the PIC hours ? I need 30h to meet the threshold lol
To be clear, you have 5000 hours TT and 2970 transport jet PIC?
I mean, if this is the case round up to 3k for Christ sake, by the time you interview, if you’re still working, you’ll have it but it’s close enough for any rational person.
If I was asked how much time I have, it would be 16000, not 15982(made up number, I actually have no idea), 16k is close though
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Re: DEC hiring

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cdnavater wrote: Thu Aug 15, 2024 1:29 pm
AmNotAnonymous wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2024 6:08 pm Hi all
Does anybody know if they still hire DEC ? Also how firm are they on the PIC hours ? I need 30h to meet the threshold lol
To be clear, you have 5000 hours TT and 2970 transport jet PIC?
I mean, if this is the case round up to 3k for Christ sake, by the time you interview, if you’re still working, you’ll have it but it’s close enough for any rational person.
If I was asked how much time I have, it would be 16000, not 15982(made up number, I actually have no idea), 16k is close though
It’s a legal requirement to keep track of your hours. Saying you don’t know basically means you’re a criminal.
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CaptDukeNukem wrote: Thu Aug 15, 2024 8:31 pm
cdnavater wrote: Thu Aug 15, 2024 1:29 pm
AmNotAnonymous wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2024 6:08 pm Hi all
Does anybody know if they still hire DEC ? Also how firm are they on the PIC hours ? I need 30h to meet the threshold lol
To be clear, you have 5000 hours TT and 2970 transport jet PIC?
I mean, if this is the case round up to 3k for Christ sake, by the time you interview, if you’re still working, you’ll have it but it’s close enough for any rational person.
If I was asked how much time I have, it would be 16000, not 15982(made up number, I actually have no idea), 16k is close though
It’s a legal requirement to keep track of your hours. Saying you don’t know basically means you’re a criminal.
I keep “track”, I just don’t know what my total time is because I don’t add them up, Jazz keeps track of my 30, 60, 90, 365 so what do I care if I’m at 15000 or 16000 or whatever, the entries are there just not totaled, so maybe I get a spanking. However, 30 years of flying T.C has looked at my logbook one time for the ATPL, so I’m probably ok.
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CaptDukeNukem wrote: Thu Aug 15, 2024 8:31 pm

It’s a legal requirement to keep track of your hours. Saying you don’t know basically means you’re a criminal.
how to be a Karen on the internet 101. We all keep track of our hours, we stopped caring what they were well past 10000
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sicamore wrote: Fri Aug 16, 2024 5:18 am
CaptDukeNukem wrote: Thu Aug 15, 2024 8:31 pm

It’s a legal requirement to keep track of your hours. Saying you don’t know basically means you’re a criminal.
how to be a Karen on the internet 101. We all keep track of our hours, we stopped caring what they were well past 10000
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sicamore wrote: Fri Aug 16, 2024 5:18 am
CaptDukeNukem wrote: Thu Aug 15, 2024 8:31 pm

It’s a legal requirement to keep track of your hours. Saying you don’t know basically means you’re a criminal.
how to be a Karen on the internet 101. We all keep track of our hours, we stopped caring what they were well past 10000
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sicamore wrote: Fri Aug 16, 2024 5:18 am
CaptDukeNukem wrote: Thu Aug 15, 2024 8:31 pm

It’s a legal requirement to keep track of your hours. Saying you don’t know basically means you’re a criminal.
how to be a Karen on the internet 101. We all keep track of our hours, we stopped caring what they were well past 10000
lol. You gotta keep up. Cdnavater and I have a great avcanada relationship. If you think I was actually serious about this then you clearly need to update your logbook.
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Re: DEC hiring

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CaptDukeNukem wrote: Thu Aug 15, 2024 8:31 pm
cdnavater wrote: Thu Aug 15, 2024 1:29 pm
AmNotAnonymous wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2024 6:08 pm Hi all
Does anybody know if they still hire DEC ? Also how firm are they on the PIC hours ? I need 30h to meet the threshold lol
To be clear, you have 5000 hours TT and 2970 transport jet PIC?
I mean, if this is the case round up to 3k for Christ sake, by the time you interview, if you’re still working, you’ll have it but it’s close enough for any rational person.
If I was asked how much time I have, it would be 16000, not 15982(made up number, I actually have no idea), 16k is close though
It’s a legal requirement to keep track of your hours. Saying you don’t know basically means you’re a criminal.
It isn't. You only need to keep track of your hours as proof that the flight you're doing is legal. You don't have to log every hour.
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Re: DEC hiring

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digits_ wrote: Fri Aug 16, 2024 2:21 pm
CaptDukeNukem wrote: Thu Aug 15, 2024 8:31 pm
cdnavater wrote: Thu Aug 15, 2024 1:29 pm
To be clear, you have 5000 hours TT and 2970 transport jet PIC?
I mean, if this is the case round up to 3k for Christ sake, by the time you interview, if you’re still working, you’ll have it but it’s close enough for any rational person.
If I was asked how much time I have, it would be 16000, not 15982(made up number, I actually have no idea), 16k is close though
It’s a legal requirement to keep track of your hours. Saying you don’t know basically means you’re a criminal.
It isn't. You only need to keep track of your hours as proof that the flight you're doing is legal. You don't have to log every hour.
To be fair, the regulations state for the legality of the flight and part 1 is hours required for a licence or rating, ie; ATPL but also a new type rating will ask for hours on category, total time but also only use an approximate amount. Not 15763.7, I would put 16000 and again, no one asks to see your logbook except T.C for the ATPL sign off and you’re done.
One caveat, you will need an up to date logbook for many job interviews, so kids, keep your logbook current until you are at your forever job.
I have to admit though, Duke had me dig into the regs because I thought I was missing something, as it turns out, I wasn’t
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digits_ wrote: Fri Aug 16, 2024 2:21 pm
CaptDukeNukem wrote: Thu Aug 15, 2024 8:31 pm
cdnavater wrote: Thu Aug 15, 2024 1:29 pm
To be clear, you have 5000 hours TT and 2970 transport jet PIC?
I mean, if this is the case round up to 3k for Christ sake, by the time you interview, if you’re still working, you’ll have it but it’s close enough for any rational person.
If I was asked how much time I have, it would be 16000, not 15982(made up number, I actually have no idea), 16k is close though
It’s a legal requirement to keep track of your hours. Saying you don’t know basically means you’re a criminal.
It isn't. You only need to keep track of your hours as proof that the flight you're doing is legal. You don't have to log every hour.
401.08 (1) Every applicant for, and every holder of, a flight crew permit, licence or rating shall maintain a personal log in accordance with subsection (2) and with the personnel licensing standards for the documentation of

(a) experience acquired in respect of the issuance of the flight crew permit, licence or rating; and

(b) recency.

(2) A personal log that is maintained for the purposes referred to in paragraphs (1)(a) and (b) shall contain the holder’s name and the following information in respect of each flight:

(a) the date of the flight;

(b) the type of aircraft and its registration mark;

(c) the flight crew position in which the holder acted;

(d) the flight conditions with respect to day, night, VFR and IFR;

(e) in the case of a flight in an aeroplane or helicopter, the place of departure and the place of arrival;

(f) in the case of a flight in an aeroplane, all of the intermediate take-offs and landings;

(g) the flight time;

(h) in the case of a flight in a glider, the method of launch used for the flight; and

(i) in the case of a flight in a balloon, the method of inflation used for the flight.

(3) No person shall make an entry in a personal log unless the person

(a) is the holder of the log; or

(b) has been authorized to make the entry by the holder of the log.
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cdnavater wrote: Fri Aug 16, 2024 3:01 pm
digits_ wrote: Fri Aug 16, 2024 2:21 pm
CaptDukeNukem wrote: Thu Aug 15, 2024 8:31 pm

It’s a legal requirement to keep track of your hours. Saying you don’t know basically means you’re a criminal.
It isn't. You only need to keep track of your hours as proof that the flight you're doing is legal. You don't have to log every hour.
To be fair, the regulations state for the legality of the flight and part 1 is hours required for a licence or rating, ie; ATPL but also a new type rating will ask for hours on category, total time but also only use an approximate amount. Not 15763.7, I would put 16000 and again, no one asks to see your logbook except T.C for the ATPL sign off and you’re done.
One caveat, you will need an up to date logbook for many job interviews, so kids, keep your logbook current until you are at your forever job.
I have to admit though, Duke had me dig into the regs because I thought I was missing something, as it turns out, I wasn’t
Read above: section 2

You need to maintain a logbook for recency requirements. I guess you could only log your 5 take offs and landings in 6months.
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I don't see where it says in that reg that one would need to know what their total time. Maintain what's needed for ratings/license applications. Also currency.

I haven't totalled up my logbook in years. All the entries are there. I can prove I'm current. No idea how many total hours are there. M-PIC night cross-country unicorn chasing time, no idea. I'm current and can prove it. My last type rating was completed years ago, and that experience is in there too.
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CaptDukeNukem wrote: Fri Aug 16, 2024 3:08 pm
cdnavater wrote: Fri Aug 16, 2024 3:01 pm
digits_ wrote: Fri Aug 16, 2024 2:21 pm

It isn't. You only need to keep track of your hours as proof that the flight you're doing is legal. You don't have to log every hour.
To be fair, the regulations state for the legality of the flight and part 1 is hours required for a licence or rating, ie; ATPL but also a new type rating will ask for hours on category, total time but also only use an approximate amount. Not 15763.7, I would put 16000 and again, no one asks to see your logbook except T.C for the ATPL sign off and you’re done.
One caveat, you will need an up to date logbook for many job interviews, so kids, keep your logbook current until you are at your forever job.
I have to admit though, Duke had me dig into the regs because I thought I was missing something, as it turns out, I wasn’t
Read above: section 2

You need to maintain a logbook for recency requirements. I guess you could only log your 5 take offs and landings in 6months.
Yes that's the point I was trying to make.
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You can join as an FO and wait your turn like all the qualified pilots on property.
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Re: DEC hiring

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Thanks for the topic drift 😅
cdnavater wrote: Thu Aug 15, 2024 1:29 pm
AmNotAnonymous wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2024 6:08 pm Hi all
Does anybody know if they still hire DEC ? Also how firm are they on the PIC hours ? I need 30h to meet the threshold lol
To be clear, you have 5000 hours TT and 2970 transport jet PIC?
I mean, if this is the case round up to 3k for Christ sake, by the time you interview, if you’re still working, you’ll have it but it’s close enough for any rational person.
If I was asked how much time I have, it would be 16000, not 15982(made up number, I actually have no idea), 16k is close though
No actually I missed a 0. it’s 300h that I am missing…
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AmNotAnonymous wrote: Thu Sep 19, 2024 3:52 pm Thanks for the topic drift 😅
cdnavater wrote: Thu Aug 15, 2024 1:29 pm
AmNotAnonymous wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2024 6:08 pm Hi all
Does anybody know if they still hire DEC ? Also how firm are they on the PIC hours ? I need 30h to meet the threshold lol
To be clear, you have 5000 hours TT and 2970 transport jet PIC?
I mean, if this is the case round up to 3k for Christ sake, by the time you interview, if you’re still working, you’ll have it but it’s close enough for any rational person.
If I was asked how much time I have, it would be 16000, not 15982(made up number, I actually have no idea), 16k is close though
No actually I missed a 0. it’s 300h that I am missing…
Just apply. Worst case they say “thank you for your time”

Then you try again in 6 months
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CaptDukeNukem wrote: Thu Sep 19, 2024 9:24 pm
AmNotAnonymous wrote: Thu Sep 19, 2024 3:52 pm Thanks for the topic drift 😅
cdnavater wrote: Thu Aug 15, 2024 1:29 pm
To be clear, you have 5000 hours TT and 2970 transport jet PIC?
I mean, if this is the case round up to 3k for Christ sake, by the time you interview, if you’re still working, you’ll have it but it’s close enough for any rational person.
If I was asked how much time I have, it would be 16000, not 15982(made up number, I actually have no idea), 16k is close though
No actually I missed a 0. it’s 300h that I am missing…
Just apply. Worst case they say “thank you for your time”

Then you try again in 6 months
Yeah you're right thanks
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CaptDukeNukem wrote: Thu Aug 15, 2024 8:31 pm
cdnavater wrote: Thu Aug 15, 2024 1:29 pm
AmNotAnonymous wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2024 6:08 pm Hi all
Does anybody know if they still hire DEC ? Also how firm are they on the PIC hours ? I need 30h to meet the threshold lol
To be clear, you have 5000 hours TT and 2970 transport jet PIC?
I

It’s a legal requirement to keep track of your hours. Saying you don’t know basically means you’re a criminal.
Actually the requirements are to track currency, not total time. After 10k the only people who give a dig are the HR mavens
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Re: DEC hiring

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rigpiggy wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 8:23 pm
CaptDukeNukem wrote: Thu Aug 15, 2024 8:31 pm
cdnavater wrote: Thu Aug 15, 2024 1:29 pm
To be clear, you have 5000 hours TT and 2970 transport jet PIC?
I

It’s a legal requirement to keep track of your hours. Saying you don’t know basically means you’re a criminal.
Actually the requirements are to track currency, not total time. After 10k the only people who give a dig are the HR mavens
I stand corrected then.
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