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khedrei wrote: Sat Aug 24, 2024 7:06 am The wild thing about the railways, especially CN, is that since they became publicly traded (AFAIK but certainly for the last 20 years) they have always turned HUGE profits. AC can cry poor in times when they go years without making money. CN makes money EVERY YEAR NO MATTER WHAT. Yet they still don't want to pay.
Its irrelevant to this conversation if AC makes money.

Maybe if they treated their customers and staff better, they would have happier customers and staff, and people like me would choose them more.

And they would make money.

I utterly refuse to fly AC internationally anymore. I am done when there are so many other better choices out of YYZ , anyway.
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rookiepilot wrote: Sat Aug 24, 2024 7:17 am
khedrei wrote: Sat Aug 24, 2024 7:06 am The wild thing about the railways, especially CN, is that since they became publicly traded (AFAIK but certainly for the last 20 years) they have always turned HUGE profits. AC can cry poor in times when they go years without making money. CN makes money EVERY YEAR NO MATTER WHAT. Yet they still don't want to pay.
Its irrelevant to this conversation if AC makes money.

Maybe if they treated their customers and staff better, they would have happier customers and staff, and people like me would choose them more.

And they would make money.

I utterly refuse to fly AC internationally anymore. I am done when there are so many other better choices out of YYZ , anyway.
Oh I agree with you. I just find it interesting that no matter the company's financial situation they will cry poor. AC cries poor cause they had a bunch of losing quarters. CN accuses their workers of being greedy and making so much money even when they don't and regardless, CN is still profitable but still cry poor and don't want to improve the lives of workers.
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khedrei wrote: Sat Aug 24, 2024 7:36 am
rookiepilot wrote: Sat Aug 24, 2024 7:17 am
khedrei wrote: Sat Aug 24, 2024 7:06 am The wild thing about the railways, especially CN, is that since they became publicly traded (AFAIK but certainly for the last 20 years) they have always turned HUGE profits. AC can cry poor in times when they go years without making money. CN makes money EVERY YEAR NO MATTER WHAT. Yet they still don't want to pay.
Its irrelevant to this conversation if AC makes money.

Maybe if they treated their customers and staff better, they would have happier customers and staff, and people like me would choose them more.

And they would make money.

I utterly refuse to fly AC internationally anymore. I am done when there are so many other better choices out of YYZ , anyway.
Oh I agree with you. I just find it interesting that no matter the company's financial situation they will cry poor. AC cries poor cause they had a bunch of losing quarters. CN accuses their workers of being greedy and making so much money even when they don't and regardless, CN is still profitable but still cry poor and don't want to improve the lives of workers.
The bigger issue is inflation. This is why I am on the workers side here. It’s contextual, and the right thing to do.

The double standards on how public sector employees are treated (richer contracts without battles, work at home is fine, all kinds of radical left wing propaganda funded by their unions without nary a word from the media or politicians) — vs private sector — often conservative voters — who are demonized just for negotiating — its sickening.

Government is totally in favour of supporting workers — but only those supporting a DEI , left wing agenda.

Meanwhile they are importing voters, paying their bills, and those of us who work hard for many years, get priced out of housing and everything else.

In that correct context, its pretty gross to say 4000 workers are holding up an entire economy.
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rookiepilot wrote: Sat Aug 24, 2024 8:04 am
khedrei wrote: Sat Aug 24, 2024 7:36 am
rookiepilot wrote: Sat Aug 24, 2024 7:17 am

Its irrelevant to this conversation if AC makes money.

Maybe if they treated their customers and staff better, they would have happier customers and staff, and people like me would choose them more.

And they would make money.

I utterly refuse to fly AC internationally anymore. I am done when there are so many other better choices out of YYZ , anyway.
Oh I agree with you. I just find it interesting that no matter the company's financial situation they will cry poor. AC cries poor cause they had a bunch of losing quarters. CN accuses their workers of being greedy and making so much money even when they don't and regardless, CN is still profitable but still cry poor and don't want to improve the lives of workers.
The bigger issue is inflation. This is why I am on the workers side here. It’s contextual, and the right thing to do.

The double standards on how public sector employees are treated (richer contracts without battles, work at home is fine, all kinds of radical left wing propaganda funded by their unions without nary a word from the media or politicians) — vs private sector — often conservative voters — who are demonized just for negotiating — its sickening.

Government is totally in favour of supporting workers — but only those supporting a DEI , left wing agenda.

Meanwhile they are importing voters, paying their bills, and those of us who work hard for many years, get priced out of housing and everything else.

In that correct context, its pretty gross to say 4000 workers are holding up an entire economy.

Which public servants? There are 3 levels of government. If you're talking about federal, most got less than inflation for the new contracts, and are being forced into the office 3 days a week across the board regardless of whether they need to go in or not. Don't we want less people blocking the roads and less real estate waste?

Whenever I see public sector unions strike or ask for a raise, again usually below inflation tons of papers demonize them. I remember seeing a 0.5% increase, how is that unreasonable?
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newlygrounded wrote: Sat Aug 24, 2024 9:20 am
rookiepilot wrote: Sat Aug 24, 2024 8:04 am
khedrei wrote: Sat Aug 24, 2024 7:36 am

Oh I agree with you. I just find it interesting that no matter the company's financial situation they will cry poor. AC cries poor cause they had a bunch of losing quarters. CN accuses their workers of being greedy and making so much money even when they don't and regardless, CN is still profitable but still cry poor and don't want to improve the lives of workers.
The bigger issue is inflation. This is why I am on the workers side here. It’s contextual, and the right thing to do.

The double standards on how public sector employees are treated (richer contracts without battles, work at home is fine, all kinds of radical left wing propaganda funded by their unions without nary a word from the media or politicians) — vs private sector — often conservative voters — who are demonized just for negotiating — its sickening.

Government is totally in favour of supporting workers — but only those supporting a DEI , left wing agenda.

Meanwhile they are importing voters, paying their bills, and those of us who work hard for many years, get priced out of housing and everything else.

In that correct context, its pretty gross to say 4000 workers are holding up an entire economy.

Which public servants? There are 3 levels of government. If you're talking about federal, most got less than inflation for the new contracts, and are being forced into the office 3 days a week across the board regardless of whether they need to go in or not. Don't we want less people blocking the roads and less real estate waste?

Whenever I see public sector unions strike or ask for a raise, again usually below inflation tons of papers demonize them. I remember seeing a 0.5% increase, how is that unreasonable?
TORONTO - Ontario Provincial Police officers are now the highest paid in the province, their union says, after they ratified a four-year deal last week.

The contract covers 2023 to 2026 and the officers will see raises of 4.75 per cent retroactive to the first year of the deal, followed by an increase of 4.5 per cent in the second year and 2.75 per cent raises in each of the last two years of the deal.

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ontario-prov ... he%20deal.

In the meantime, the Ontario Conservatives enacted Bill 124 in November 2019, which imposed a 1% cap per year on compensation increases for all employees in the public sector for three years. After it was found unconstitutional in court, the government is now on the hook for over $6 billion in compensation.
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Not interested in arguing what is blatantly obvious in our world. Things look different once you move out of Mommas basement.

And I’m talking about the reams of bureaucrats , experts, fat desk occupiers, hired by this government, not first responders, so skip the gaslighting before it starts.
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rookiepilot wrote: Sat Aug 24, 2024 9:34 am Not interested in arguing what is blatantly obvious in our world. Things look different once you move out of Mommas basement.

And I’m talking about the reams of bureaucrats , experts, fat desk occupiers, hired by this government, not first responders, so skip the gaslighting before it starts.
Sure man. If Air Canada pilots received raises of less than 5% per year we would f*cking riot. How is that okay for police officers? How is that okay for other public servants who are seeing even less? Maybe you should direct some of that criticism towards Doug Ford and the other premiers.
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rookiepilot wrote: Sat Aug 24, 2024 9:34 am Not interested in arguing what is blatantly obvious in our world. Things look different once you move out of Mommas basement.

And I’m talking about the reams of bureaucrats , experts, fat desk occupiers, hired by this government, not first responders, so skip the gaslighting before it starts.
Lol. The minute he gives proof you turtle back into your hiding space.

It’s not just first responders. It clearly states ALL PUBLIC SECTOR EMPLOYEES.
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I think there is confusion. I am on the side of first responders and private sector employees who have fallen behind. Including AC pilots.

This is Not a political observation. Pretty obvious, the federal government’s leanings. I don’t care to discuss what the provinces are doing. Whatever.

I am Not on the side of fat FEDERAL DEI bureaucrats whining cause they can’t goof off at home everyday and reams of highly paid experts indoctrinating people how to think.

Drain the swamp. Why has public sector bureaucrat employment exploded during this federal government?

Stick your gaslighting where the sun don’t shine.
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rookiepilot wrote: Sat Aug 24, 2024 10:09 am I think there is confusion. I am on the side of first responders and private sector employees who have fallen behind. Including AC pilots.

This is Not a political observation. Pretty obvious, the federal government’s leanings. I don’t care to discuss what the provinces are doing. Whatever.

I am Not on the side of fat FEDERAL DEI bureaucrats whining cause they can’t goof off at home everyday and reams of highly paid experts indoctrinating people how to think.

Drain the swamp. Why has public sector bureaucrat employment exploded during this federal government?

Stick your gaslighting where the sun don’t shine.
I think you should be careful with what you say. Many of us have spouses who work "work from home" public sector jobs. Like my wife, who is doing the job of 5 people. She has 20 years seniority, and makes about the same as a year 1 Air Canada FO*, and has had many years with no raises at all.

I don't appreciate it when you think my wife should be earning less money, leaving me to pick up the slack.

Get bent.

*EDIT: Sorry, I was mixing up Gross and Net pay. Her actual salary is between Air Canada year 3 and 4 FO.
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Bingo Fuel wrote: Sat Aug 24, 2024 10:56 am
rookiepilot wrote: Sat Aug 24, 2024 10:09 am I think there is confusion. I am on the side of first responders and private sector employees who have fallen behind. Including AC pilots.

This is Not a political observation. Pretty obvious, the federal government’s leanings. I don’t care to discuss what the provinces are doing. Whatever.

I am Not on the side of fat FEDERAL DEI bureaucrats whining cause they can’t goof off at home everyday and reams of highly paid experts indoctrinating people how to think.

Drain the swamp. Why has public sector bureaucrat employment exploded during this federal government?

Stick your gaslighting where the sun don’t shine.
I think you should be careful with what you say. Many of us have spouses who work "work from home" public sector jobs. Like my wife, who is doing the job of 5 people. She has 20 years seniority, and makes about the same as a year 1 Air Canada FO, and has had many years with no raises at all.

I don't appreciate it when you think my wife should be earning less money, leaving me to pick up the slack.

Get bent.
I don’t appreciate paying for it when we have a government that thinks the budget balances itself and couldn’t manage a lemonade stand.

Defunding our military? Defunding countless things so they hire more workers paid full time and work part time? Who work for unions constantly antisemitic? Who pays? Cause I don’t like paying for all the BS.

Back at you. Not in your echo chamber. Get in line, son.

We need smaller government! What part of that is not understood?
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I wonder if the Moderator is wondering what this topic has to do with Aviation, appears to be a Charles Adler shock jock political back and forth talk show.
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Old fella wrote: Sat Aug 24, 2024 4:03 pm I wonder if the Moderator is wondering what this topic has to do with Aviation, appears to be a Charles Adler shock jock political back and forth talk show.
When you have a PM who’s so bad/toxic/elitist/clueless/extremist that he now needs 10 bodyguards just to cross the road it’s bound to come up all the time lol.
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Is it just me, or does this apply here in the case of the rail workers as much as anywhere else...

https://ehlaw.ca/supreme-court-constitu ... to-strike/
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I can’t wait for a taxpayer-made millionaire who’s literally never held a job outside of government in his life to get in power and rise up to support Canadian workers…..
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Bingo Fuel wrote: Sat Aug 24, 2024 10:56 am
rookiepilot wrote: Sat Aug 24, 2024 10:09 am I think there is confusion. I am on the side of first responders and private sector employees who have fallen behind. Including AC pilots.

This is Not a political observation. Pretty obvious, the federal government’s leanings. I don’t care to discuss what the provinces are doing. Whatever.

I am Not on the side of fat FEDERAL DEI bureaucrats whining cause they can’t goof off at home everyday and reams of highly paid experts indoctrinating people how to think.

Drain the swamp. Why has public sector bureaucrat employment exploded during this federal government?

Stick your gaslighting where the sun don’t shine.
I think you should be careful with what you say. Many of us have spouses who work "work from home" public sector jobs. Like my wife, who is doing the job of 5 people. She has 20 years seniority, and makes about the same as a year 1 Air Canada FO, and has had many years with no raises at all.

I don't appreciate it when you think my wife should be earning less money, leaving me to pick up the slack.

Get bent.
Really your wife makes 56k after 20 years......must not be working at the same .gov
I call horsesh!t
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‘Bob’ wrote: Sat Aug 24, 2024 10:33 pm I can’t wait for a taxpayer-made millionaire who’s literally never held a job outside of government in his life to get in power and rise up to support Canadian workers…..
Me too. The current taxpayer-made millionaire in power, who has never in his life successfully held down a job outside of government, is demonstrably not supporting Canadian workers.
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just clearing the trees wrote: Sun Aug 25, 2024 4:37 am
‘Bob’ wrote: Sat Aug 24, 2024 10:33 pm I can’t wait for a taxpayer-made millionaire who’s literally never held a job outside of government in his life to get in power and rise up to support Canadian workers…..
Me too. The current taxpayer-made millionaire in power, who has never in his life successfully held down a job outside of government, is demonstrably not supporting Canadian workers.
Well now he was a substitute drama teacher so I’ll give him that. :lol: But there’s that nagging allegation of an inappropriate relation with an underage student.
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‘Bob’ wrote: Sat Aug 24, 2024 10:33 pm I can’t wait for a taxpayer-made millionaire who’s literally never held a job outside of government in his life to get in power and rise up to support Canadian workers…..
In Mr. Poilievre’s quest to champion the common denominator what has been conveniently left out is official L of O has a residence, car, driver, chef, food complementary of the specific tax paying citizen. To be fair of course Mr. Poilievre didn’t bestow this upon himself, it has been tradition over the years Canada started as a country. However there is irony when Mr. Poilievre stands atop of the mountain, opens his tablet of the “10 Commandments “ harking “ axe the tax, stop the crime, build the houses, curb inflation, balance the books, defund CBC. Platitudes attract though and as you say, it will get quite interesting.

PS. I do believe that Canada is the only Westminster model Parliamentary democracy in which the official L of O and Speaker has a completely funded Official Residence with all the trimmings.
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rigpiggy wrote: Sun Aug 25, 2024 12:58 am
Bingo Fuel wrote: Sat Aug 24, 2024 10:56 am
rookiepilot wrote: Sat Aug 24, 2024 10:09 am I think there is confusion. I am on the side of first responders and private sector employees who have fallen behind. Including AC pilots.

This is Not a political observation. Pretty obvious, the federal government’s leanings. I don’t care to discuss what the provinces are doing. Whatever.

I am Not on the side of fat FEDERAL DEI bureaucrats whining cause they can’t goof off at home everyday and reams of highly paid experts indoctrinating people how to think.

Drain the swamp. Why has public sector bureaucrat employment exploded during this federal government?

Stick your gaslighting where the sun don’t shine.
I think you should be careful with what you say. Many of us have spouses who work "work from home" public sector jobs. Like my wife, who is doing the job of 5 people. She has 20 years seniority, and makes about the same as a year 1 Air Canada FO, and has had many years with no raises at all.

I don't appreciate it when you think my wife should be earning less money, leaving me to pick up the slack.

Get bent.
Really your wife makes 56k after 20 years......must not be working at the same .gov
I call horsesh!t
I believe it, my Mom retired from the federal government, worked in finance for 30 years, was making 42k when she retired about 10 years ago and only has a 36k pension!
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rigpiggy wrote: Sun Aug 25, 2024 12:58 am
Bingo Fuel wrote: Sat Aug 24, 2024 10:56 am
rookiepilot wrote: Sat Aug 24, 2024 10:09 am I think there is confusion. I am on the side of first responders and private sector employees who have fallen behind. Including AC pilots.

This is Not a political observation. Pretty obvious, the federal government’s leanings. I don’t care to discuss what the provinces are doing. Whatever.

I am Not on the side of fat FEDERAL DEI bureaucrats whining cause they can’t goof off at home everyday and reams of highly paid experts indoctrinating people how to think.

Drain the swamp. Why has public sector bureaucrat employment exploded during this federal government?

Stick your gaslighting where the sun don’t shine.
I think you should be careful with what you say. Many of us have spouses who work "work from home" public sector jobs. Like my wife, who is doing the job of 5 people. She has 20 years seniority, and makes about the same as a year 1 Air Canada FO, and has had many years with no raises at all.

I don't appreciate it when you think my wife should be earning less money, leaving me to pick up the slack.

Get bent.
Really your wife makes 56k after 20 years......must not be working at the same .gov
I call horsesh!t
“And doing the job of 5 people too”

Ditto.
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Sure, plenty of jobs in that range, most CR's, but they don't usually work hard at all unless you're in an acting position, in which case you haven't gotten paid for it for 5 years because of Phoenix. Frustrating job actually, doing paperwork in a dept with 6 rotating bosses.
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My apologies, I was going off of her T4. Her salary is about 78K. She has been full time for 12 years, and contract seasonal for 8 years before that.

I will edit my earlier post to correct myself. My bad.
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Bingo Fuel wrote: Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:28 am My apologies, I was going off of her T4. Her salary is about 78K. She has been full time for 12 years, and contract seasonal for 8 years before that.

I will edit my earlier post to correct myself. My bad.
Let us know when you’re done editing.

You claim she does the work of 5 full time employees?

The federal government has increased its payroll by 40% since JT came to power. 40%! In 9 something years! What do all these people do?

Am I better off by 40%? Is the population higher by 40%? Its sure not going to healthcare or something actually worthwhile. Impossible to get a doctor or Dr appointment. Oh, you say, that’s provincial. OK Stop hiring fat federal civil servants and give the provinces money to hire doctors!

Are we ready for the taxes, another 40% more unproductive public servants will cost us? They think they are doing it just fine, so I am extrapolating 9 more years of this government.


https://www.fraserinstitute.org/article ... re-than-40



And BTW PP is not in power, so the posts criticizing opposition that hasn’t been in power for 9 years is simply lame and childish. Its the government of the day that needs to be held to account. And only them.
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