screw this government

[digits_]

So what if private corporations want to run fat and inefficient. I don’t pay their bills, tax payers pay the government bills and it’s gone so far overboard I don’t see a way back!
Do the math sometime, out of every single dollar I make, I guarantee it’s approaching .70 of every dollar, my property tax alone is about 4% of my annual income, the system is so broken people are some how justifying government waste, ridiculous!

Hmmmz. If matters a lot if the argument is: "let's privatize X, Y and Z, because private companies can do it more efficient than the government!". Which can easily result in a higher cost to us taxpayers. So yes, it absolutely matters in this type of discussions!

[cdnavater]

So what if private corporations want to run fat and inefficient. I don’t pay their bills, tax payers pay the government bills and it’s gone so far overboard I don’t see a way back!
Do the math sometime, out of every single dollar I make, I guarantee it’s approaching .70 of every dollar, my property tax alone is about 4% of my annual income, the system is so broken people are some how justifying government waste, ridiculous!

Hmmmz. If matters a lot if the argument is: "let's privatize X, Y and Z, because private companies can do it more efficient than the government!". Which can easily result in a higher cost to us taxpayers. So yes, it absolutely matters in this type of discussions!

I see your point

[altiplano]

The things that the Canadian government have chosen to privatize though are boondoggles and inexplicably inefficient - we see it right here in out industry:

- airport authorities
- NavCanada
- CATSA

Who doesn't think that FAA ran airports, ATC, and TSA are better?

Some infrastructure and bureaucracy needs to be public. Nobody is advocating for complete privatisation of EVERYTHING. But the idea that ballooning high paid government jobs is good for the economy or the country is crazy. Lean and efficient government is all I'm advocating.

I mean the problem in this country is we judge everything by how much it costs, not the outcome. Politicians promise and pour billions of more dollars into healthcare for example yet every metric shows us that healthcare in this country is woefully inadequate from wait times to access to results. I would gladly pay $18K insurance and get treated at a private hospital in the US.

Speaking of healthcare, I always hear that as justification for our sky high taxes in Canada. I'm at a 53.5% marginal rate and I would gladly trade that for a US income tax bill and buy insurance and actually be able to see a doctor. Even in California - the highest in the US - I'd only be at about 35%. Washington, Montana, Texas, Wyoming, Alaska, Florida, and more I'd only be paying 22%.

Oh, but we have to support those bureaucrats... F- that.

[khedrei]

And to keep on topic of how the thread started, CN was a crown corporation. A glutinous one at that. 5x more staff than today and didn't make money.

I'm not defending CN by the way. They are a sick company.

Remember when Elon Musk bought Twitter and fired 85% of the staff. The company is still around and arguably not doing worse than before.

I'd bet we could cut 50% of the government jobs and most people wouldn't notice any change to daily life.

[sicamore]

Hmmmz. If matters a lot if the argument is: "let's privatize X, Y and Z, because private companies can do it more efficient than the government!". Which can easily result in a higher cost to us taxpayers. So yes, it absolutely matters in this type of discussions!

Where does it say privatise healthcare. It said
Introduce competition in healthcare: Allow private sector involvement to drive up quality and reduce costs through competition.

Competition.

In Canada, it’s illegal to buy insurance for anything covered under the public system. Nobody else does this. In The Netherlands, New Zealand, Japan, the U.K. you can pony up a few thousand dollars each year in private insurance and — if you need stitches — you can either go to the public hospital or use your insurance to get it done privately at an entirely different health care system over here.

That’s private health care.

But Canada insists that if you need stitches, they are the only ones allowed to pay for it. So all these for-profit health care providers are still working for the government — and drawing from the same rationed supply of doctors and health care resources as everyone else.

Competition. This is what the government needs to become better

[rookiepilot]

Private healthcare? Please don't. Best example are eye doctors and dentists. Ridiculously overpriced.

This is the kind of post that pisses me off. Who the F are you to say is overpaid in the private sector?

Do you know how long you have to go to school to be a doctor, or dentist, then spend your days hunched over inside other people’s disgusting mouths for a living? Would you do it? I would not.

Then lets talk about the overhead of an office. Staff. Liability insurance.

None of this stuff applies to the fat cushy bureaucrat desk jobs.

Yet you want 400K to put the plane on AP —- to be on par with the US — and not clean one seatback either.

Hey get what you can. But STFU about the pay of other highly skilled professionals.

Screw that attitude.

[digits_]

Hmmmz. If matters a lot if the argument is: "let's privatize X, Y and Z, because private companies can do it more efficient than the government!". Which can easily result in a higher cost to us taxpayers. So yes, it absolutely matters in this type of discussions!

Where does it say privatise healthcare. It said
Introduce competition in healthcare: Allow private sector involvement to drive up quality and reduce costs through competition.

Competition.

In Canada, it’s illegal to buy insurance for anything covered under the public system. Nobody else does this. In The Netherlands, New Zealand, Japan, the U.K. you can pony up a few thousand dollars each year in private insurance and — if you need stitches — you can either go to the public hospital or use your insurance to get it done privately at an entirely different health care system over here.

That’s private health care.

But Canada insists that if you need stitches, they are the only ones allowed to pay for it. So all these for-profit health care providers are still working for the government — and drawing from the same rationed supply of doctors and health care resources as everyone else.

Competition. This is what the government needs to become better

What would happen in those situations is that the private options will pop up in dense areas (Toronto, Vancouver) and lower populated areas (rural towns) will use the public system. The rich(er) decision makers living close to the city centers will lobby for more funding into the private system, and you'll effectively create a two tier healthcare system. It likely works a bit better in the Netherlands, as there are no real rural or remote areas, but I don't think we need to encourage that. At the very least, ensuring that everyone uses the same system should encourage policymakers to pay enough attention to the system that they too likely will use one day.

Even in the current system, rural towns have trouble hanging on to doctors and nurses. Once their seniority number is up, lots of them move to the city. I fear a secondary private system will only make that effect worse.

[khedrei]

Hmmmz. If matters a lot if the argument is: "let's privatize X, Y and Z, because private companies can do it more efficient than the government!". Which can easily result in a higher cost to us taxpayers. So yes, it absolutely matters in this type of discussions!

Where does it say privatise healthcare. It said
Introduce competition in healthcare: Allow private sector involvement to drive up quality and reduce costs through competition.

Competition.

In Canada, it’s illegal to buy insurance for anything covered under the public system. Nobody else does this. In The Netherlands, New Zealand, Japan, the U.K. you can pony up a few thousand dollars each year in private insurance and — if you need stitches — you can either go to the public hospital or use your insurance to get it done privately at an entirely different health care system over here.

That’s private health care.

But Canada insists that if you need stitches, they are the only ones allowed to pay for it. So all these for-profit health care providers are still working for the government — and drawing from the same rationed supply of doctors and health care resources as everyone else.

Competition. This is what the government needs to become better

What would happen in those situations is that the private options will pop up in dense areas (Toronto, Vancouver) and lower populated areas (rural towns) will use the public system. The rich(er) decision makers living close to the city centers will lobby for more funding into the private system, and you'll effectively create a two tier healthcare system. It likely works a bit better in the Netherlands, as there are no real rural or remote areas, but I don't think we need to encourage that. At the very least, ensuring that everyone uses the same system should encourage policymakers to pay enough attention to the system that they too likely will use one day.

Even in the current system, rural towns have trouble hanging on to doctors and nurses. Once their seniority number is up, lots of them move to the city. I fear a secondary private system will only make that effect worse.

Yeah... those policy makers... just give them more time... eventually they will catch on. Just a few more years.

And huh?! The Netherlands has no rural areas. What the hell are you talking about!??!

[digits_]

And huh?! The Netherlands has no rural areas. What the hell are you talking about!??!

"Rural" in the Netherlands means you can ride your bike on a paved sidewalk or bike lane to the nearest grocery store.
"Rural" in Canada means you have to drive your car 10 minutes to the nearest paved road and another half an hour to an hour to make it to a grocery store.

"Remote" in the Netherlands means you don't see cars when looking outside, only the occasional wind mill.
"Remote" in Canada means you need to take a half hour plane ride to visit the neighbouring town, and a 2 hour plane ride if you need a hospital.


Can you spot the differences?

[scdriver]

Private healthcare? Please don't. Best example are eye doctors and dentists. Ridiculously overpriced.

This is the kind of post that pisses me off. Who the F are you to say is overpaid in the private sector?

Do you know how long you have to go to school to be a doctor, or dentist, then spend your days hunched over inside other people’s disgusting mouths for a living? Would you do it? I would not.

Then lets talk about the overhead of an office. Staff. Liability insurance.

None of this stuff applies to the fat cushy bureaucrat desk jobs.

Yet you want 400K to put the plane on AP —- to be on par with the US — and not clean one seatback either.

Hey get what you can. But STFU about the pay of other highly skilled professionals.

Screw that attitude.

He said overpriced. Overpriced services and “overpaid” providers are not the same thing. Read before you have aneurysm

[rookiepilot]

Private healthcare? Please don't. Best example are eye doctors and dentists. Ridiculously overpriced.

This is the kind of post that pisses me off. Who the F are you to say is overpaid in the private sector?

Do you know how long you have to go to school to be a doctor, or dentist, then spend your days hunched over inside other people’s disgusting mouths for a living? Would you do it? I would not.

Then lets talk about the overhead of an office. Staff. Liability insurance.

None of this stuff applies to the fat cushy bureaucrat desk jobs.

Yet you want 400K to put the plane on AP —- to be on par with the US — and not clean one seatback either.

Hey get what you can. But STFU about the pay of other highly skilled professionals.

Screw that attitude.

He said overpriced. Overpriced services and “overpaid” providers are not the same thing. Read before you have aneurysm

Please. Just stop.

This “only pilots are underpaid, everyone else is overpaid” — that is clearly what is meant — is the single fastest way for guys like me on the outside to say FU

And I write this having just paid $4000 for a complex root canal and crown. Difficult work. The service was not overpriced.

[digits_]

Private healthcare? Please don't. Best example are eye doctors and dentists. Ridiculously overpriced.

This is the kind of post that pisses me off. Who the F are you to say is overpaid in the private sector?

I'm not talking about individual's salaries. I'm talking about the price they charge for their services:
https://healthnews.com/research/smiles- ... -expenses/

When I visit 'the dentist', a dental hygienist spends about an hour with me, and I see an actual dentist for 5 minutes. I doubt more than 20% of what I pay goes to the person doing the actual work. That visit, with a common 80% insurance coverage, costs me the same as a visit in Western Europe to an actual dentist who spends an hour with me, without *any* insurance coverage.

Medical supplies in the US and Canada are so ridiculously overpriced, partially due to liability concerns, but at this point mainly 'because we can', that medical services are way more expensive than they need to be. And since I'm paying for private sector prices, I absolutely have the right to say I find services overpriced.

[rookiepilot]

Private healthcare? Please don't. Best example are eye doctors and dentists. Ridiculously overpriced.

This is the kind of post that pisses me off. Who the F are you to say is overpaid in the private sector?

I'm not talking about individual's salaries. I'm talking about the price they charge for their services:
https://healthnews.com/research/smiles- ... -expenses/

When I visit 'the dentist', a dental hygienist spends about an hour with me, and I see an actual dentist for 5 minutes. I doubt more than 20% of what I pay goes to the person doing the actual work. That visit, with a common 80% insurance coverage, costs me the same as a visit in Western Europe to an actual dentist who spends an hour with me, without *any* insurance coverage.

Medical supplies in the US and Canada are so ridiculously overpriced, partially due to liability concerns, but at this point mainly 'because we can', that medical services are way more expensive than they need to be. And since I'm paying for private sector prices, I absolutely have the right to say I find services overpriced.

No you don’t. Pay and don’t complain. You are and have insurance? Lame waste of space.

Its none of your business what the hygienist gets paid. Its none of my business what the pilot on my next trip makes either, the FA’s, cost of the fuel, or a million other things. I don’t care.

If I like the fare and the service, I pay it and don’t think about it again.

Move to Europe then.

Or be a dentist if you think its that awesome.

My physiotherapist— has his own small clinic. Since Covid hes getting killed. On his core business— insurance paid accident related therapy— he is only breaking even — takes zero salary from that part of the business.

From private paid clients like me — a small profit. He is barely hanging on and has a great reputation and regular clients. He cannot raise his prices to the insurance co and needs the volume to cover overhead.

So is working for free. Overpaid to you though, digits.

[Handover]

Using AI for increased accuracy is just laughable. That's not how AI works.
You can take any big private company and you'll be able to make most of those suggestions. Is the government inefficient? Probably. But so are a lot of big private companies. The idea that private companies are somehow efficient well oiled machines is just plain wrong. Once you start working with 20+ people, you'll have internal politics, time consuming meetings, layers of management and thus inefficiencies.

Private healthcare? Please don't. Best example are eye doctors and dentists. Ridiculously overpriced.

Storing government data 'in the cloud'? You want government data to be stored on someone else's computer? It's not necessarily cheaper either. Cloud computing has its place, but is not magic. They are still computers that need to be monitored and managed.

I don't think you know how A.I works, A.I is not just ChatGPT. A phased implementation, that grows as the capability grows will provide lots of benefits.
But no need to argue with me, I'm just a yob on the internet. Have a discussion with some experts on the matter. Though from our short interaction, I get the feeling you will not term them as experts because you yourself have a dazzling depth of understanding of the field.

1. McKinsey Report on AI's Potential in Government: This report explores how AI can enhance public sector efficiency and service delivery, with examples from different regions, including the Gulf Cooperation Council countries. Read more.
2. Deloitte AI Institute's Insights on Scaling AI in Government: This study discusses the importance of scaling AI beyond pilot projects to realize its full potential within government organizations. It also identifies the key factors for successful AI integration. Scaling AI in Government.
3. MITRE's Collaboration with Nvidia on AI for Government: This collaboration highlights efforts to use AI to transform U.S. federal government operations, focusing on areas like efficiency, decision-making, and citizen services. MITRE-Nvidia Collaboration.
4. SpringerLink on AI and Think Tanks: This chapter from Springer discusses the broader role of AI in governance and the challenges and opportunities it presents for think tanks. Artificial Intelligence: An Opportunity and a Challenge for Think Tanks.

As for clouds, I also don't think you know what cloud computing quite is. It is entirely possible for a government to run its own cloud with Infrastructure as a Service (IaaS), Platform as a Service (PaaS) and Software as a Service (SaaS) capabilities. In fact some do:

• U.S. Government Cloud: The U.S. government has implemented cloud services under programs like the Federal Risk and Authorization Management Program (FedRAMP), which standardizes security assessment, authorization, and continuous monitoring for cloud products and services. The Department of Defense also uses its own cloud solutions to meet stringent security and operational requirements.
• UK Government G-Cloud: The UK has developed the G-Cloud framework, a digital marketplace that allows public sector organizations to procure cloud computing services. The G-Cloud ensures that services meet the necessary standards for data security and compliance, helping to streamline the procurement process and maintain high standards of service.
• EU Cloud Initiative: The European Union has taken steps to develop a secure and trusted cloud infrastructure, tailored to meet the requirements of various EU member states. The European Open Science Cloud (EOSC) is one initiative aimed at supporting data-driven science and innovation across Europe, leveraging cloud computing to provide a collaborative environment.
• Australian Government Cloud Strategy: Australia has developed its own government cloud strategy, which outlines the use of cloud services to enhance the delivery of government services. This strategy focuses on using cloud technology to improve efficiency, data security, and service delivery to citizens.

By leveraging their own cloud environments, governments can better manage sensitive data, enhance cybersecurity measures, ensure compliance with local and international regulations, and effectively manage operational costs, all while benefiting from the scalability and flexibility offered by cloud technologies.

As for the other points I have similar rebuttals, but really this is like an ATPL 777 captain arguing with a student pilot, you quite obviously don't know anything you are talking about. Don't expect any further interaction with me unless you have genuine ideas on how to make efficient Canadian federal and provincial governments also accountable to the Canadian people the way they should be.

Though from your quip about the Canadian government, " 'probably' being inefficient", you sound like you just like to argue or have never applied for a medical recently.

[cdnavater]

Using AI for increased accuracy is just laughable. That's not how AI works.
You can take any big private company and you'll be able to make most of those suggestions. Is the government inefficient? Probably. But so are a lot of big private companies. The idea that private companies are somehow efficient well oiled machines is just plain wrong. Once you start working with 20+ people, you'll have internal politics, time consuming meetings, layers of management and thus inefficiencies.

Private healthcare? Please don't. Best example are eye doctors and dentists. Ridiculously overpriced.

Storing government data 'in the cloud'? You want government data to be stored on someone else's computer? It's not necessarily cheaper either. Cloud computing has its place, but is not magic. They are still computers that need to be monitored and managed.

I don't think you know how A.I works, A.I is not just ChatGPT. A phased implementation, that grows as the capability grows will provide lots of benefits.
But no need to argue with me, I'm just a yob on the internet. Have a discussion with some experts on the matter. Though from our short interaction, I get the feeling you will not term them as experts because you yourself have a dazzling depth of understanding of the field.

1. McKinsey Report on AI's Potential in Government: This report explores how AI can enhance public sector efficiency and service delivery, with examples from different regions, including the Gulf Cooperation Council countries. Read more.
2. Deloitte AI Institute's Insights on Scaling AI in Government: This study discusses the importance of scaling AI beyond pilot projects to realize its full potential within government organizations. It also identifies the key factors for successful AI integration. Scaling AI in Government.
3. MITRE's Collaboration with Nvidia on AI for Government: This collaboration highlights efforts to use AI to transform U.S. federal government operations, focusing on areas like efficiency, decision-making, and citizen services. MITRE-Nvidia Collaboration.
4. SpringerLink on AI and Think Tanks: This chapter from Springer discusses the broader role of AI in governance and the challenges and opportunities it presents for think tanks. Artificial Intelligence: An Opportunity and a Challenge for Think Tanks.

As for clouds, I also don't think you know what cloud computing quite is. It is entirely possible for a government to run its own cloud with Infrastructure as a Service (IaaS), Platform as a Service (PaaS) and Software as a Service (SaaS) capabilities. In fact some do:

• U.S. Government Cloud: The U.S. government has implemented cloud services under programs like the Federal Risk and Authorization Management Program (FedRAMP), which standardizes security assessment, authorization, and continuous monitoring for cloud products and services. The Department of Defense also uses its own cloud solutions to meet stringent security and operational requirements.
• UK Government G-Cloud: The UK has developed the G-Cloud framework, a digital marketplace that allows public sector organizations to procure cloud computing services. The G-Cloud ensures that services meet the necessary standards for data security and compliance, helping to streamline the procurement process and maintain high standards of service.
• EU Cloud Initiative: The European Union has taken steps to develop a secure and trusted cloud infrastructure, tailored to meet the requirements of various EU member states. The European Open Science Cloud (EOSC) is one initiative aimed at supporting data-driven science and innovation across Europe, leveraging cloud computing to provide a collaborative environment.
• Australian Government Cloud Strategy: Australia has developed its own government cloud strategy, which outlines the use of cloud services to enhance the delivery of government services. This strategy focuses on using cloud technology to improve efficiency, data security, and service delivery to citizens.

By leveraging their own cloud environments, governments can better manage sensitive data, enhance cybersecurity measures, ensure compliance with local and international regulations, and effectively manage operational costs, all while benefiting from the scalability and flexibility offered by cloud technologies.

As for the other points I have similar rebuttals, but really this is like an ATPL 777 captain arguing with a student pilot, you quite obviously don't know anything you are talking about. Don't expect any further interaction with me unless you have genuine ideas on how to make efficient Canadian federal and provincial governments also accountable to the Canadian people the way they should be.

Though from your quip about the Canadian government, " 'probably' being inefficient", you sound like you just like to argue or have never applied for a medical recently.

I’ve learned to just agree with him as he disagrees with basically everything I say, love it when he’s schooled!

[rookiepilot]

Using AI for increased accuracy is just laughable. That's not how AI works.
You can take any big private company and you'll be able to make most of those suggestions. Is the government inefficient? Probably. But so are a lot of big private companies. The idea that private companies are somehow efficient well oiled machines is just plain wrong. Once you start working with 20+ people, you'll have internal politics, time consuming meetings, layers of management and thus inefficiencies.

Private healthcare? Please don't. Best example are eye doctors and dentists. Ridiculously overpriced.

Storing government data 'in the cloud'? You want government data to be stored on someone else's computer? It's not necessarily cheaper either. Cloud computing has its place, but is not magic. They are still computers that need to be monitored and managed.

I don't think you know how A.I works, A.I is not just ChatGPT. A phased implementation, that grows as the capability grows will provide lots of benefits.
But no need to argue with me, I'm just a yob on the internet. Have a discussion with some experts on the matter. Though from our short interaction, I get the feeling you will not term them as experts because you yourself have a dazzling depth of understanding of the field.

1. McKinsey Report on AI's Potential in Government: This report explores how AI can enhance public sector efficiency and service delivery, with examples from different regions, including the Gulf Cooperation Council countries. Read more.
2. Deloitte AI Institute's Insights on Scaling AI in Government: This study discusses the importance of scaling AI beyond pilot projects to realize its full potential within government organizations. It also identifies the key factors for successful AI integration. Scaling AI in Government.
3. MITRE's Collaboration with Nvidia on AI for Government: This collaboration highlights efforts to use AI to transform U.S. federal government operations, focusing on areas like efficiency, decision-making, and citizen services. MITRE-Nvidia Collaboration.
4. SpringerLink on AI and Think Tanks: This chapter from Springer discusses the broader role of AI in governance and the challenges and opportunities it presents for think tanks. Artificial Intelligence: An Opportunity and a Challenge for Think Tanks.

As for clouds, I also don't think you know what cloud computing quite is. It is entirely possible for a government to run its own cloud with Infrastructure as a Service (IaaS), Platform as a Service (PaaS) and Software as a Service (SaaS) capabilities. In fact some do:

• U.S. Government Cloud: The U.S. government has implemented cloud services under programs like the Federal Risk and Authorization Management Program (FedRAMP), which standardizes security assessment, authorization, and continuous monitoring for cloud products and services. The Department of Defense also uses its own cloud solutions to meet stringent security and operational requirements.
• UK Government G-Cloud: The UK has developed the G-Cloud framework, a digital marketplace that allows public sector organizations to procure cloud computing services. The G-Cloud ensures that services meet the necessary standards for data security and compliance, helping to streamline the procurement process and maintain high standards of service.
• EU Cloud Initiative: The European Union has taken steps to develop a secure and trusted cloud infrastructure, tailored to meet the requirements of various EU member states. The European Open Science Cloud (EOSC) is one initiative aimed at supporting data-driven science and innovation across Europe, leveraging cloud computing to provide a collaborative environment.
• Australian Government Cloud Strategy: Australia has developed its own government cloud strategy, which outlines the use of cloud services to enhance the delivery of government services. This strategy focuses on using cloud technology to improve efficiency, data security, and service delivery to citizens.

By leveraging their own cloud environments, governments can better manage sensitive data, enhance cybersecurity measures, ensure compliance with local and international regulations, and effectively manage operational costs, all while benefiting from the scalability and flexibility offered by cloud technologies.

As for the other points I have similar rebuttals, but really this is like an ATPL 777 captain arguing with a student pilot, you quite obviously don't know anything you are talking about. Don't expect any further interaction with me unless you have genuine ideas on how to make efficient Canadian federal and provincial governments also accountable to the Canadian people the way they should be.

Though from your quip about the Canadian government, " 'probably' being inefficient", you sound like you just like to argue or have never applied for a medical recently.

[digits_]

Using AI for increased accuracy is just laughable. That's not how AI works.
You can take any big private company and you'll be able to make most of those suggestions. Is the government inefficient? Probably. But so are a lot of big private companies. The idea that private companies are somehow efficient well oiled machines is just plain wrong. Once you start working with 20+ people, you'll have internal politics, time consuming meetings, layers of management and thus inefficiencies.

Private healthcare? Please don't. Best example are eye doctors and dentists. Ridiculously overpriced.

Storing government data 'in the cloud'? You want government data to be stored on someone else's computer? It's not necessarily cheaper either. Cloud computing has its place, but is not magic. They are still computers that need to be monitored and managed.

I don't think you know how A.I works, A.I is not just ChatGPT. A phased implementation, that grows as the capability grows will provide lots of benefits.
But no need to argue with me, I'm just a yob on the internet. Have a discussion with some experts on the matter. Though from our short interaction, I get the feeling you will not term them as experts because you yourself have a dazzling depth of understanding of the field.

1. McKinsey Report on AI's Potential in Government: This report explores how AI can enhance public sector efficiency and service delivery, with examples from different regions, including the Gulf Cooperation Council countries. Read more.
2. Deloitte AI Institute's Insights on Scaling AI in Government: This study discusses the importance of scaling AI beyond pilot projects to realize its full potential within government organizations. It also identifies the key factors for successful AI integration. Scaling AI in Government.
3. MITRE's Collaboration with Nvidia on AI for Government: This collaboration highlights efforts to use AI to transform U.S. federal government operations, focusing on areas like efficiency, decision-making, and citizen services. MITRE-Nvidia Collaboration.
4. SpringerLink on AI and Think Tanks: This chapter from Springer discusses the broader role of AI in governance and the challenges and opportunities it presents for think tanks. Artificial Intelligence: An Opportunity and a Challenge for Think Tanks.

I know quite well how the AI logic works. Do you? I think you're using some AI tools to put your replies together, but let's address your points anyway.
None of the AI tools today are able to autonomously complete a task. In essence they analyze data and try and guess what answer you're looking for. You could argue that in its most basic form, that's how the human brain works as well, but the current AI algorithms are nowhere near the level of accuracy to complete a task by themselves. Are the tools useful? Absolutely. Do they have their place as a toolkit for employees trying to boost their productivity? Most likely. Can they replace workers today? Absolutely not.

What are the current 'AI' products? You have the ChatGPT family tools. Would you send a resume generated by Chat GPT without reviewing it? Could you get a book published written by ChatGPT? Do you like reading ChatGPT generated articles? (Yes I get the irony)
Do you think AI generated images are usable without editing? Would you use a logo fully generated by AI? Would you jump in a self driving car without the option to override its decisions? Do you prefer dealing with an AI customer support bot, or do you want to talk to a real person?

Regardless, again, AI tools are useful, but they absolutely are nowhere near the level to guarantee any level of 'accuracy', which is the point is was addressing: "Implement AI to handle data entry and routine processes, enhancing speed and accuracy."

That's just not possible today, and likely not for another decade.

AI is a hype, used to secure financing for a variety of projects. The basics are sound, an obviously generate impressive results. Governments will love it to increase surveillance: analyze fraud patterns in financial transactions, analyze movement patterns of suspicious people, determine potentially suspect individuals. But all this will have to be verified by actual humans, because, again, you don't have the required accuracy.

As for clouds, I also don't think you know what cloud computing quite is. It is entirely possible for a government to run its own cloud with Infrastructure as a Service (IaaS), Platform as a Service (PaaS) and Software as a Service (SaaS) capabilities. In fact some do:

• U.S. Government Cloud: The U.S. government has implemented cloud services under programs like the Federal Risk and Authorization Management Program (FedRAMP), which standardizes security assessment, authorization, and continuous monitoring for cloud products and services. The Department of Defense also uses its own cloud solutions to meet stringent security and operational requirements.
• UK Government G-Cloud: The UK has developed the G-Cloud framework, a digital marketplace that allows public sector organizations to procure cloud computing services. The G-Cloud ensures that services meet the necessary standards for data security and compliance, helping to streamline the procurement process and maintain high standards of service.
• EU Cloud Initiative: The European Union has taken steps to develop a secure and trusted cloud infrastructure, tailored to meet the requirements of various EU member states. The European Open Science Cloud (EOSC) is one initiative aimed at supporting data-driven science and innovation across Europe, leveraging cloud computing to provide a collaborative environment.
• Australian Government Cloud Strategy: Australia has developed its own government cloud strategy, which outlines the use of cloud services to enhance the delivery of government services. This strategy focuses on using cloud technology to improve efficiency, data security, and service delivery to citizens.

By leveraging their own cloud environments, governments can better manage sensitive data, enhance cybersecurity measures, ensure compliance with local and international regulations, and effectively manage operational costs, all while benefiting from the scalability and flexibility offered by cloud technologies.

Hah. Nice try.

Again, I was not disputing that the technology can be used by a government -although I did interpret your suggestions as that you wanted to use a 3rd party vendor instead of setting up your own system, so thank you for that clarification- however I was disputing your claim that it was cheaper and wouldn't need physical infrastructure.
"18. Use cloud computing to reduce IT costs: Transition data storage and computing operations to the cloud to save on physical infrastructure."

It might come to a shock, but cloud computing doesn't actually store data in a cloud, we're still using physical infrastructure, and that still needs to be paid. Either by a contractor or by the government itself, but in the end you'll need to pay for a data center and the personnel to maintain it.

Though from your quip about the Canadian government, " 'probably' being inefficient", you sound like you just like to argue or have never applied for a medical recently.

I don't have experience with every government branch, so yes, 'probably' seemed like the most accurate description. My recent dealings with TC have resulted in services delivered within their described level of service. Slow, but as advertised. No I have not had to apply for an initial medical recently. I've heard there are problems there, but you'll have to admit it's hardly fair to equate the medical board of TC to the whole government.

[khedrei]

Youre not going to get very far. He's a troll that will literally argue with any post even if he agrees with it. I think he might be trying out for the debate team.

According to him there is no way to tell if public service workers are doing a good/efficient job. How dare you, Joe public, say anything bad about those workers who accepted an office job and are being asked to come to the office after an unnecessary and overly excessive vacation from the office for years. How are they going to do their grocery shopping between meetings now. It's hard to email when you're pushing a shopping cart.

[JustaCanadian]

I'm definitely happy to have private dental. I don't want to be on a 3 month waiting list if I need to get in for a filling.

[braaap Braap]

By your logic we should all just be high paid government flunkies and it would be a better world.

Flunkies? There's a new word for me. But yes, the private sector has already filled society with flunkies left and right. Mid as well be flunkies with the best conditions.

Government jobs don't produce anything, they only take from Canadians. Governments and bureaucracy drain wealth from a country.

Meh, you can believe they're not wealth generating - and after your subsequent comment I see where you're coming from - but I disagree and at the very least they're wealth circulating/distributing. Again, much rather have a functioning society with an adequate social safety net than the direction we're currently going in. Plus, compared to many other countries (nordic in particular) we have a much smaller public sector. Its just the shithole to the south that's sucking us in and skewing our views.

Edited to include link: https://worldpopulationreview.com/count ... by-country

[rookiepilot]

Its just the shithole to the south that's sucking us in and skewing our views.

That’s a nice way to describe Canadas best and forever friend.

Ugh.

Who does he sound exactly like?

[khedrei]

By your logic we should all just be high paid government flunkies and it would be a better world.

Flunkies? There's a new word for me. But yes, the private sector has already filled society with flunkies left and right. Mid as well be flunkies with the best conditions.

Government jobs don't produce anything, they only take from Canadians. Governments and bureaucracy drain wealth from a country.

Meh, you can believe they're not wealth generating - and after your subsequent comment I see where you're coming from - but I disagree and at the very least they're wealth circulating/distributing. Again, much rather have a functioning society with an adequate social safety net than the direction we're currently going in. Plus, compared to many other countries (nordic in particular) we have a much smaller public sector. Its just the shithole to the south that's sucking us in and skewing our views.

Edited to include link: https://worldpopulationreview.com/count ... by-country

The direction we are going in is precisly because of this liberal government claiming to want to provide these "social safety nets" and this "paradise" you are talking about because of these inflated public sector salaries.

While I don't claim to agree with all the conservatives policies, they are the only ones that understand the reality of money not growing on trees and giving out drug needles to junkies isn't a good idea. They are trying to save us from this disaster that you call wonderful.

I would rather be south of the border any day of the week.

[JustaCanadian]

Again, much rather have a functioning society with an adequate social safety net than the direction we're currently going in.

LOL, we pay more taxes then ever, have more social programs then we have ever had before. You are not happy with the direction we are going? What's the solution, more taxes and more spending and another rainbow sidewalk?

[khedrei]

Again, much rather have a functioning society with an adequate social safety net than the direction we're currently going in.

another rainbow sidewalk?

That's what we're missing...

[bobcaygeon]

Did anyone expect any different? The only two rail companies just happen to come to a labour impasse with Teamsters at the exactly same time. I'm sure that's just a coincidence. If ALPA were to do the same thing with AC and WJ you'd have to expect the same result.

Singh as always blowing sunshine. If the lockout /strike lasted any length of time far more unionized works across the would have been negatively affected. There's over 7,000 longshoremen in the Port of Vancouver alone never mind YUL. Mining, steelworkers, and automakers ae just a few examples of large unionized workers that would be affected quickly. We saw how quickly YVR was affected when both rail lines were washed out a couple of years ago and there was nowhere to unload containers.