It is imminent.......be ready.

[rudder]

I was in RDU the other day and I spoke with an American Airlines 737 captain. He was a fairly young guy (under 40 for sure). We were talking about salaries. I don't think I missunderstood him, but he said he's making over $300 USD an hour flying the Max. If I'm wrong, I apologize.

I don’t think that any US NB CA at a Major is making that little. 12yr NB CA is typically around $370/hr (plus a further 17% contribution from the employer to the 401k retirement account).

Factor in exchange and AC has around a 50% pilot labour cost advantage vs any US competitor.

[cdnavater]

Can’t wait to see the news coverage on this, it sounds like a record was set today, more than 2000 pilots across the country were on the picket line!
I am very optimistic about how this will go in the pilots favour and I felt a sense of pride today standing with you, I only wish we could strike too, please no mention of the long term contract for Jazz, I’d rather this just be about the AC pilots and the unity they demonstrated today, management no doubt got the message.
The standing ovation for Charlene was evoking, I’m inspired after being there!
“Let’s fucking get them” the battle cry to rally the troops before heading out, also gets special mention, fucking get them!

[Mac08]

Can’t wait to see the news coverage on this, it sounds like a record was set today, more than 2000 pilots across the country were on the picket line!
I am very optimistic about how this will go in the pilots favour and I felt a sense of pride today standing with you, I only wish we could strike too, please no mention of the long term contract for Jazz, I’d rather this just be about the AC pilots and the unity they demonstrated today, management no doubt got the message.
The standing ovation for Charlene was evoking, I’m inspired after being there!
“Let’s fucking get them” the battle cry to rally the troops before heading out, also gets special mention, fucking get them!

I’m sorry but of all the ridiculous shit said on this forum by you this might top a list. You could strike, but no you sold everyone out with the long term contract. Skip the Sky Regional bullshit. No body here wants your hypocritical support.

[cdnavater]

Can’t wait to see the news coverage on this, it sounds like a record was set today, more than 2000 pilots across the country were on the picket line!
I am very optimistic about how this will go in the pilots favour and I felt a sense of pride today standing with you, I only wish we could strike too, please no mention of the long term contract for Jazz, I’d rather this just be about the AC pilots and the unity they demonstrated today, management no doubt got the message.
The standing ovation for Charlene was evoking, I’m inspired after being there!
“Let’s fucking get them” the battle cry to rally the troops before heading out, also gets special mention, fucking get them!

I’m sorry but of all the ridiculous shit said on this forum by you this might top a list. You could strike, but no you sold everyone out with the long term contract. Skip the Sky Regional bullshit. No body here wants your hypocritical support.

edited, going to let it go! I wish you well because I hate AC management more!

[Airbusses]

Well brother, your support is much appreciated!

[Man_in_the_sky]

Can’t wait to see the news coverage on this, it sounds like a record was set today, more than 2000 pilots across the country were on the picket line!
I am very optimistic about how this will go in the pilots favour and I felt a sense of pride today standing with you, I only wish we could strike too, please no mention of the long term contract for Jazz, I’d rather this just be about the AC pilots and the unity they demonstrated today, management no doubt got the message.
The standing ovation for Charlene was evoking, I’m inspired after being there!
“Let’s fucking get them” the battle cry to rally the troops before heading out, also gets special mention, fucking get them!

I’m sorry but of all the ridiculous shit said on this forum by you this might top a list. You could strike, but no you sold everyone out with the long term contract. Skip the Sky Regional bullshit. No body here wants your hypocritical support.

edited, going to let it go! I wish you well because I hate AC management more!

Then we crossed path today!

Thanks for showing up and supporting.

[cdnavater]

I’m sorry but of all the ridiculous shit said on this forum by you this might top a list. You could strike, but no you sold everyone out with the long term contract. Skip the Sky Regional bullshit. No body here wants your hypocritical support.

edited, going to let it go! I wish you well because I hate AC management more!

Then we crossed path today!

Thanks for showing up and supporting.

I was glad I was able to! I will continue to support you in any way I can!

[DanWEC]

Amazing! Gotta remember, everyone posting here are just pilots with the same jobs, complaints, early mornings, jet lag, 1st beer on a layover....
Internet anger and hyperbole is a wild, wild psychological animal- it's just a human and a collegue on the other end.

It was the bean counters that made our careers feel worthless in this country. What's the point of doing any better than what the company treats you like? We've had a common foe since the moment the pay in our industry started to stagnate, decline, and is now in the distant rearview, and it isn't a guy in a uniform.

By respecting each other and our struggles we're much stronger and more united. Best to stick together to elevate it together!

[RoAF-Mig21]

It was amazing to be at the rally yesterday. It was a heartwarming experience to see everyone so united.

[Airbusses]

Well said! It was truly a great feeling standing shoulder to shoulder with our brothers and sisters! I had a Transat pilot to my right! Awesome to see the support!

[goingnowherefast]

Anyone know how many non-AC pilots were there in support? I would have been there if I wasn't already working.

[thepoors]

Update from Charlene...looks like this is only going to go one way:

"With that, I would like to provide an update on our negotiations. On Monday night before our picket, the Negotiating Committee made a comprehensive counter proposal to management. Following our nationwide picket on Tuesday, I was asked to join the negotiating table in downtown Toronto. I was surprised by this call because as MEC Chair, I would not normally arrive at the negotiations table until a deal is imminent.

Was it possible that your message of unity that morning was well-received and finally it was time to bargain the hard stuff? NO. Management stated they refuse to provide a counterproposal to our most recent offer. In fact, they believe our positions are too unreasonable, even after your Negotiating Committee has made moves based on your survey data in a real attempt to reach an agreement. Instead, management expects us to re-propose a counterproposal before they engage any further. We will not do so. I have taken a hard pass on their ultimatum and sent the Negotiating Committee home, which concluded the session. As I said in my speech, management is fighting hard to keep their bankruptcy era contract. There are no further dates scheduled at this time.

While your Negotiating Committee stands ready to negotiate with our employer, at present, it is clear that Air Canada does not wish to negotiate. Their actions at the table disrespect your Negotiating Committee, your MEC, and ultimately you. Moreover, the message I received from management is they are still under the belief that your union does not speak for you. The hubris and disdainful nature of this management approach knows no bounds, and it is exactly the reason we have not reached a deal yet.

I know this news is distressing, as we now face the reality of a 21-day cooling off period and a potential strike or lockout.

Since stress can be at the forefront of our minds, I commit to you that I will keep you updated. I would also take this opportunity to remind you of the resources we have available through our Pilot Assistance Committee, even the Company’s Employee Assistance Program.

We must be unbreakable in our resolve to protect our profession. We must never forget that our work is our power."

Hold the line.

[8895]

Update from Charlene...looks like this is only going to go one way:

"With that, I would like to provide an update on our negotiations. On Monday night before our picket, the Negotiating Committee made a comprehensive counter proposal to management. Following our nationwide picket on Tuesday, I was asked to join the negotiating table in downtown Toronto. I was surprised by this call because as MEC Chair, I would not normally arrive at the negotiations table until a deal is imminent.

Was it possible that your message of unity that morning was well-received and finally it was time to bargain the hard stuff? NO. Management stated they refuse to provide a counterproposal to our most recent offer. In fact, they believe our positions are too unreasonable, even after your Negotiating Committee has made moves based on your survey data in a real attempt to reach an agreement. Instead, management expects us to re-propose a counterproposal before they engage any further. We will not do so. I have taken a hard pass on their ultimatum and sent the Negotiating Committee home, which concluded the session. As I said in my speech, management is fighting hard to keep their bankruptcy era contract. There are no further dates scheduled at this time.

While your Negotiating Committee stands ready to negotiate with our employer, at present, it is clear that Air Canada does not wish to negotiate. Their actions at the table disrespect your Negotiating Committee, your MEC, and ultimately you. Moreover, the message I received from management is they are still under the belief that your union does not speak for you. The hubris and disdainful nature of this management approach knows no bounds, and it is exactly the reason we have not reached a deal yet.

I know this news is distressing, as we now face the reality of a 21-day cooling off period and a potential strike or lockout.

Since stress can be at the forefront of our minds, I commit to you that I will keep you updated. I would also take this opportunity to remind you of the resources we have available through our Pilot Assistance Committee, even the Company’s Employee Assistance Program.

We must be unbreakable in our resolve to protect our profession. We must never forget that our work is our power."

Hold the line.

Wild. Management’s gotta have a stiffy after watching our incompetent feds/CIRB send the railroad workers back to work. You gotta think their only play at this point is to cry to the government for binding arbitration.

I’d say that it’s a completely different situation but considering the minister seems to interpret laws in anyway they see fit, you never know for certain. It’s also hilarious hearing about an inept management group throwing a tantrum now that there’s an actual union in place.

Hoping the best for everyone involved, definitely the most important negotiation of our lifetime.

[digits_]

Update from Charlene...looks like this is only going to go one way:

"With that, I would like to provide an update on our negotiations. On Monday night before our picket, the Negotiating Committee made a comprehensive counter proposal to management. Following our nationwide picket on Tuesday, I was asked to join the negotiating table in downtown Toronto. I was surprised by this call because as MEC Chair, I would not normally arrive at the negotiations table until a deal is imminent.

Was it possible that your message of unity that morning was well-received and finally it was time to bargain the hard stuff? NO. Management stated they refuse to provide a counterproposal to our most recent offer. In fact, they believe our positions are too unreasonable, even after your Negotiating Committee has made moves based on your survey data in a real attempt to reach an agreement. Instead, management expects us to re-propose a counterproposal before they engage any further. We will not do so. I have taken a hard pass on their ultimatum and sent the Negotiating Committee home, which concluded the session. As I said in my speech, management is fighting hard to keep their bankruptcy era contract. There are no further dates scheduled at this time.

While your Negotiating Committee stands ready to negotiate with our employer, at present, it is clear that Air Canada does not wish to negotiate. Their actions at the table disrespect your Negotiating Committee, your MEC, and ultimately you. Moreover, the message I received from management is they are still under the belief that your union does not speak for you. The hubris and disdainful nature of this management approach knows no bounds, and it is exactly the reason we have not reached a deal yet.

I know this news is distressing, as we now face the reality of a 21-day cooling off period and a potential strike or lockout.

Since stress can be at the forefront of our minds, I commit to you that I will keep you updated. I would also take this opportunity to remind you of the resources we have available through our Pilot Assistance Committee, even the Company’s Employee Assistance Program.

We must be unbreakable in our resolve to protect our profession. We must never forget that our work is our power."

Hold the line.

Yikes!

So a strike on September 18th?

[daedalusx]

>98% strike vote
>Management: “The union isn’t speaking for the pilot group”

lol. Lmao even.

[cdnavater]

>98% strike vote
>Management: “The union isn’t speaking for the pilot group”

lol. Lmao even.

Yep, so completely out of touch with reality!
Surely hoping for government intervention!
Pierre Poilievre is trying to get a fall election, one more Trudeau interference should about do it.
Don’t forget boys and girls, stress can sneak up you, better to play it safe for the next while

[altiplano]

Update from Charlene...looks like this is only going to go one way:

"With that, I would like to provide an update on our negotiations. On Monday night before our picket, the Negotiating Committee made a comprehensive counter proposal to management. Following our nationwide picket on Tuesday, I was asked to join the negotiating table in downtown Toronto. I was surprised by this call because as MEC Chair, I would not normally arrive at the negotiations table until a deal is imminent.

Was it possible that your message of unity that morning was well-received and finally it was time to bargain the hard stuff? NO. Management stated they refuse to provide a counterproposal to our most recent offer. In fact, they believe our positions are too unreasonable, even after your Negotiating Committee has made moves based on your survey data in a real attempt to reach an agreement. Instead, management expects us to re-propose a counterproposal before they engage any further. We will not do so. I have taken a hard pass on their ultimatum and sent the Negotiating Committee home, which concluded the session. As I said in my speech, management is fighting hard to keep their bankruptcy era contract. There are no further dates scheduled at this time.

While your Negotiating Committee stands ready to negotiate with our employer, at present, it is clear that Air Canada does not wish to negotiate. Their actions at the table disrespect your Negotiating Committee, your MEC, and ultimately you. Moreover, the message I received from management is they are still under the belief that your union does not speak for you. The hubris and disdainful nature of this management approach knows no bounds, and it is exactly the reason we have not reached a deal yet.

I know this news is distressing, as we now face the reality of a 21-day cooling off period and a potential strike or lockout.

Since stress can be at the forefront of our minds, I commit to you that I will keep you updated. I would also take this opportunity to remind you of the resources we have available through our Pilot Assistance Committee, even the Company’s Employee Assistance Program.

We must be unbreakable in our resolve to protect our profession. We must never forget that our work is our power."

Hold the line.

Wild. Management’s gotta have a stiffy after watching our incompetent feds/CIRB send the railroad workers back to work. You gotta think their only play at this point is to cry to the government for binding arbitration.

I’d say that it’s a completely different situation but considering the minister seems to interpret laws in anyway they see fit, you never know for certain. It’s also hilarious hearing about an inept management group throwing a tantrum now that there’s an actual union in place.

Hoping the best for everyone involved, definitely the most important negotiation of our lifetime.

The intro to that message and what is perhaps the most important part of that message was not included in that post.

In 1872, the Toronto Typographical Union took a stand against their employer (The Toronto Globe) who was demanding 10+ hour workdays. At a time when strikes were illegal, these brave workers stood together and demonstrated against their employer. That important strike in our country's history, secured a 9-hour workday, and ultimately changed the course of the labor movement in Canada.

In the wake of our historic national picket, I felt that same power of collective action from you.

Workers drive their companies, and unions give power to their workers – empowering us with a voice and influence to affect things that are important to us. This power is not intended to exploit our employers. Much the opposite, this voice, through our union, neutralizes the power imbalance that is inherently present.

I am so proud of Air Canada pilots. As I said in the nationwide picket, I recently asked for two things of this pilot group . You delivered the strongest possible message on both. This is power – the power to change our workplace. We need to use it responsibly to neutralize the power imbalance our employer has been exploiting.



We hold the power.

Hold The Line.

[goingnowherefast]

I'm so proud of AC pilots. Charlene almost makes me wish I was an AC pilot. But then AC management makes me glad I'm not.

I'm proud you folks. Do what's right. Charlene is a celebrity of Canadian professional aviation. I've been preaching your story to family, friends, neighbours and anyone who will listen. It might be your fight, but the entire industry supports you.

You and your ALPA lanyard are always welcome in my JS, and I'll buy you dinner any day. To those with know me, the BBQ is hot and the steaks are fresh from the local butcher shop.

[Daniel Cooper]

A national general strike is on the table now. The other unions, representing millions of workers, are absolutely furious about what the Labour Minister did to the railworkers and tried to do to the WestJet AMEs.

[digits_]

A national general strike is on the table now. The other unions, representing millions of workers, are absolutely furious about what the Labour Minister did to the railworkers and tried to do to the WestJet AMEs.

Is there something being organized or is this more of a wishful thinking kind of statement?

[CaptDukeNukem]

Can’t wait to see the news coverage on this, it sounds like a record was set today, more than 2000 pilots across the country were on the picket line!
I am very optimistic about how this will go in the pilots favour and I felt a sense of pride today standing with you, I only wish we could strike too, please no mention of the long term contract for Jazz, I’d rather this just be about the AC pilots and the unity they demonstrated today, management no doubt got the message.
The standing ovation for Charlene was evoking, I’m inspired after being there!
“Let’s fucking get them” the battle cry to rally the troops before heading out, also gets special mention, fucking get them!

I’m sorry but of all the ridiculous shit said on this forum by you this might top a list. You could strike, but no you sold everyone out with the long term contract. Skip the Sky Regional bullshit. No body here wants your hypocritical support.

Amen. He’s still going on about sky regional just a few days ago. Butt hurt.

I bet he wore his jazz green circle pin on his chest

[cdnavater]

Can’t wait to see the news coverage on this, it sounds like a record was set today, more than 2000 pilots across the country were on the picket line!
I am very optimistic about how this will go in the pilots favour and I felt a sense of pride today standing with you, I only wish we could strike too, please no mention of the long term contract for Jazz, I’d rather this just be about the AC pilots and the unity they demonstrated today, management no doubt got the message.
The standing ovation for Charlene was evoking, I’m inspired after being there!
“Let’s fucking get them” the battle cry to rally the troops before heading out, also gets special mention, fucking get them!

I’m sorry but of all the ridiculous shit said on this forum by you this might top a list. You could strike, but no you sold everyone out with the long term contract. Skip the Sky Regional bullshit. No body here wants your hypocritical support.

Amen. He’s still going on about sky regional just a few days ago. Butt hurt.

I bet he wore his jazz green circle pin on his chest

Dude, I bring up SR when someone brings up our 17 year contract without including the history of how we got there!
There were at the time about 1400 pilots whose career was at risk because the company(AC) was able, in fact had no trouble filling positions at a company designed to break our union. A company that had no assets, completely funded by AC, dispatched, fuel, training all AC at arms length.
If I were 20something with a long career ahead of me, maybe a different story but most pilots at the time of that contract were 10 plus YOS, so our appetite for a fight was at an all time low.
At the time there was no federal protection, the right to follow the work was not on the table, that in my opinion was the reason we finally got rid of SR and GGN, there was no more threat because if AC gave away our flying and it caused layoffs, we would follow the work at our pay and working conditions.
To be clear, the history between AC and Jazz if far deeper and longer than SR and Jazz, the whipsaw, the seniority list lawsuit, the 757 operations, culminating the AC pilots(ACPA) giving AC the ability to start SR when at the time it literally said that Jazz was the only tier 2 provider.
I’m letting go of things, starting with AC, I’ll eventually get around to letting go of my disdain for SR pilots, but for all intents and purpose SR pilots are the main reason we gave up our ability to strike for 20 years, yes 20 years, we were 3 years in to a 10 year contract and signed a 10 year extension , 100% due to SR.

[RippleRock]

I’m sorry but of all the ridiculous shit said on this forum by you this might top a list. You could strike, but no you sold everyone out with the long term contract. Skip the Sky Regional bullshit. No body here wants your hypocritical support.

Amen. He’s still going on about sky regional just a few days ago. Butt hurt.

I bet he wore his jazz green circle pin on his chest

Dude, I bring up SR when someone brings up our 17 year contract without including the history of how we got there!
There were at the time about 1400 pilots whose career was at risk because the company(AC) was able, in fact had no trouble filling positions at a company designed to break our union. A company that had no assets, completely funded by AC, dispatched, fuel, training all AC at arms length.
If I were 20something with a long career ahead of me, maybe a different story but most pilots at the time of that contract were 10 plus YOS, so our appetite for a fight was at an all time low.
At the time there was no federal protection, the right to follow the work was not on the table, that in my opinion was the reason we finally got rid of SR and GGN, there was no more threat because if AC gave away our flying and it caused layoffs, we would follow the work at our pay and working conditions.
To be clear, the history between AC and Jazz if far deeper and longer than SR and Jazz, the whipsaw, the seniority list lawsuit, the 757 operations, culminating the AC pilots(ACPA) giving AC the ability to start SR when at the time it literally said that Jazz was the only tier 2 provider.
I’m letting go of things, starting with AC, I’ll eventually get around to letting go of my disdain for SR pilots, but for all intents and purpose SR pilots are the main reason we gave up our ability to strike for 20 years, yes 20 years, we were 3 years in to a 10 year contract and signed a 10 year extension , 100% due to SR.

This thread is about the imminent strike or lockout at Air Canada.

How hard is it for you guys to sling mud at each other somewhere else???

How about start your own thread called "17 Year Contract and how we got there" on the JAZZ forum.

Have some respect for the folks who have legitimate concerns about the imminent lockout.

Jeeezuz.

[cdnavater]

Amen. He’s still going on about sky regional just a few days ago. Butt hurt.

I bet he wore his jazz green circle pin on his chest

Dude, I bring up SR when someone brings up our 17 year contract without including the history of how we got there!
There were at the time about 1400 pilots whose career was at risk because the company(AC) was able, in fact had no trouble filling positions at a company designed to break our union. A company that had no assets, completely funded by AC, dispatched, fuel, training all AC at arms length.
If I were 20something with a long career ahead of me, maybe a different story but most pilots at the time of that contract were 10 plus YOS, so our appetite for a fight was at an all time low.
At the time there was no federal protection, the right to follow the work was not on the table, that in my opinion was the reason we finally got rid of SR and GGN, there was no more threat because if AC gave away our flying and it caused layoffs, we would follow the work at our pay and working conditions.
To be clear, the history between AC and Jazz if far deeper and longer than SR and Jazz, the whipsaw, the seniority list lawsuit, the 757 operations, culminating the AC pilots(ACPA) giving AC the ability to start SR when at the time it literally said that Jazz was the only tier 2 provider.
I’m letting go of things, starting with AC, I’ll eventually get around to letting go of my disdain for SR pilots, but for all intents and purpose SR pilots are the main reason we gave up our ability to strike for 20 years, yes 20 years, we were 3 years in to a 10 year contract and signed a 10 year extension , 100% due to SR.

This thread is about the imminent strike or lockout at Air Canada.

How hard is it for you guys to sling mud at each other somewhere else???

How about start your own thread called "17 Year Contract and how we got there" on the JAZZ forum.

Have some respect for the folks who have legitimate concerns about the imminent lockout.

Jeeezuz.

Absolutely, I meant to end my post with something along those lines.
However, Ripple the mud slinging started with some asshole criticizing me for showing up and supporting you, so I let it go only for more to jump on the bandwagon, what do you expect from avcanada!

[RippleRock]

Dude, I bring up SR when someone brings up our 17 year contract without including the history of how we got there!
There were at the time about 1400 pilots whose career was at risk because the company(AC) was able, in fact had no trouble filling positions at a company designed to break our union. A company that had no assets, completely funded by AC, dispatched, fuel, training all AC at arms length.
If I were 20something with a long career ahead of me, maybe a different story but most pilots at the time of that contract were 10 plus YOS, so our appetite for a fight was at an all time low.
At the time there was no federal protection, the right to follow the work was not on the table, that in my opinion was the reason we finally got rid of SR and GGN, there was no more threat because if AC gave away our flying and it caused layoffs, we would follow the work at our pay and working conditions.
To be clear, the history between AC and Jazz if far deeper and longer than SR and Jazz, the whipsaw, the seniority list lawsuit, the 757 operations, culminating the AC pilots(ACPA) giving AC the ability to start SR when at the time it literally said that Jazz was the only tier 2 provider.
I’m letting go of things, starting with AC, I’ll eventually get around to letting go of my disdain for SR pilots, but for all intents and purpose SR pilots are the main reason we gave up our ability to strike for 20 years, yes 20 years, we were 3 years in to a 10 year contract and signed a 10 year extension , 100% due to SR.

This thread is about the imminent strike or lockout at Air Canada.

How hard is it for you guys to sling mud at each other somewhere else???

How about start your own thread called "17 Year Contract and how we got there" on the JAZZ forum.

Have some respect for the folks who have legitimate concerns about the imminent lockout.

Jeeezuz.

Absolutely, I meant to end my post with something along those lines.
However, Ripple the mud slinging started with some asshole criticizing me for showing up and supporting you, so I let it go only for more to jump on the bandwagon, what do you expect from avcanada!

I thanked every single "non-AC" pilot I saw at the Marriot. They have no idea how much we appreciated their presence. If one person didn't appreciate you there, know that 99% of us did. Thank you. Ignore the haters, we all have them.

We are all floating on the same tide. It's our turn to set our anchor fast.

BE READY to follow Charlene's lead. She has an excellent legal backing/advice team in ALPA and the passion required to get us where we need to be ...... DO NOT LET HER DOWN. She is a precious, fierce, loyal and honest commodity in a profession full of traitors (cash hogs) and "management wannabe's" trying to climb "corporate ladders" for personal gain at YOUR direct expense. ACPA was rife with them.

Be prepared to walk for a minimum of three weeks, maybe a month. There will be strike pay AND retro to cover short term losses. Plus the 100% backing of 70,000 ALPA members Worldwide. They will be watching, and ready to assist.


Don't waver. Every second you are out on the line, will be worth 50x that in payback over the life of your career. That's HUGE...don't doubt it.


ABOVE ALL....do it for you, do it for your family, do it for the Profession, do it for EVERY ALPA member......in 17 days and 5+- hours, we are counting on every individual to...



HOLD THE LINE.