Shocking. It’s a no-brainer to go work in the US. It’s just a matter of time and the future pilot landscape will change
In Canada. With easy license conversion, the next generation of pilots will seek employment there or elsewhere. It’s a no wonder that AC pilots are seeking a World Class Contract.
Many of us would be gone already however US airlines don't sponsor Canadian pilots that's the big issue. I personally had my US EB-2 NIW visa petition denied after having converted my ATPL to the FAA ATP.
Currently the only realistic, sure fire ways to get to the US as a Canadian pilot are marriage, family, or having a spouse who has a profession that can get sponsored for a green card (I hear this is possible with nurses).
This stub shows they Paid almost a grand in union fees on a crap salary. I have no doubt ALPA will solve this person’s situation shortly. Sept 18th gonna be a good day.
This stub shows they Paid almost a grand in union fees on a crap salary. I have no doubt ALPA will solve this person’s situation shortly. Sept 18th gonna be a good day.
You consider $1000 a bad deal for the services provided?
Also, union dues are tax deductible at the highest individual applicable tax rate.
This stub shows they Paid almost a grand in union fees on a crap salary. I have no doubt ALPA will solve this person’s situation shortly. Sept 18th gonna be a good day.
You consider $1000 a bad deal for the services provided?
Also, union dues are tax deductible at the highest individual applicable tax rate.
Not at all. I’m saying he paid his dues and the money he put towards that will be huge dividends shortly.
If we were talking about jazz Alpa, then I’d say he wasted his money.
Shocking. It’s a no-brainer to go work in the US. It’s just a matter of time and the future pilot landscape will change
In Canada. With easy license conversion, the next generation of pilots will seek employment there or elsewhere. It’s a no wonder that AC pilots are seeking a World Class Contract.
Many of us would be gone already however US airlines don't sponsor Canadian pilots that's the big issue. I personally had my US EB-2 NIW visa petition denied after having converted my ATPL to the FAA ATP.
Currently the only realistic, sure fire ways to get to the US as a Canadian pilot are marriage, family, or having a spouse who has a profession that can get sponsored for a green card (I hear this is possible with nurses).
I've recently discovered there is another way to a green card. The EB5 visa. You need to invest 800k USD into a regional centre. Minimum 2 year investment. Some pay decent interest. This would get a green card and eventually citizenship.
Other way is to invest around 150k+ USD into a business and you can work in that business and your spouse can work anywhere. So in theory, your spouse could invest in the business and you could work anywhere. This is not a greencard but simply a work visa EB2.
This stub shows they Paid almost a grand in union fees on a crap salary. I have no doubt ALPA will solve this person’s situation shortly. Sept 18th gonna be a good day.
You consider $1000 a bad deal for the services provided?
Also, union dues are tax deductible at the highest individual applicable tax rate.
Not at all. I’m saying he paid his dues and the money he put towards that will be huge dividends shortly.
If we were talking about jazz Alpa, then I’d say he wasted his money.
I have spent 37 years paying union dues. I don’t consider it a waste as the main objective for me is technical/legal support if something happens professionally, whether that be an accident/incident/enforcement action, or a medical licensing issue.
I look at it as tax deductible professional insurance and consider the years of paying CALPA/ALPA dues to have been good value.
Shocking. It’s a no-brainer to go work in the US. It’s just a matter of time and the future pilot landscape will change
In Canada. With easy license conversion, the next generation of pilots will seek employment there or elsewhere. It’s a no wonder that AC pilots are seeking a World Class Contract.
Many of us would be gone already however US airlines don't sponsor Canadian pilots that's the big issue. I personally had my US EB-2 NIW visa petition denied after having converted my ATPL to the FAA ATP.
Currently the only realistic, sure fire ways to get to the US as a Canadian pilot are marriage, family, or having a spouse who has a profession that can get sponsored for a green card (I hear this is possible with nurses).
I've recently discovered there is another way to a green card. The EB5 visa. You need to invest 800k USD into a regional centre. Minimum 2 year investment. Some pay decent interest. This would get a green card and eventually citizenship.
Other way is to invest around 150k+ USD into a business and you can work in that business and your spouse can work anywhere. So in theory, your spouse could invest in the business and you could work anywhere. This is not a greencard but simply a work visa EB2.
Yes both of those are valid options however the E-2 visa will not get you employment at most airlines in the US since it's a non immigrant visa - I checked with HR at Delta, United, and American and they all require a green card. My initial idea was for my wife to purchase and run a business in Florida and for me to get a non immigrant work visa based on that to fly in the US.
The EB-5 does lead to a green card but as you mentioned it's close to a million dollars US you need for that (odds aren't good of getting that investment on flat pay)...
Many of us would be gone already however US airlines don't sponsor Canadian pilots that's the big issue. I personally had my US EB-2 NIW visa petition denied after having converted my ATPL to the FAA ATP.
Currently the only realistic, sure fire ways to get to the US as a Canadian pilot are marriage, family, or having a spouse who has a profession that can get sponsored for a green card (I hear this is possible with nurses).
I've recently discovered there is another way to a green card. The EB5 visa. You need to invest 800k USD into a regional centre. Minimum 2 year investment. Some pay decent interest. This would get a green card and eventually citizenship.
Other way is to invest around 150k+ USD into a business and you can work in that business and your spouse can work anywhere. So in theory, your spouse could invest in the business and you could work anywhere. This is not a greencard but simply a work visa EB2.
Yes both of those are valid options however the E-2 visa will not get you employment at most airlines in the US since it's a non immigrant visa - I checked with HR at Delta, United, and American and they all require a green card. My initial idea was for my wife to purchase and run a business in Florida and for me to get a non immigrant work visa based on that to fly in the US.
The EB-5 does lead to a green card but as you mentioned it's close to a million dollars US you need for that (odds aren't good of getting that investment on flat pay)...
Most average aviation jobs in the U.S pay significantly more than any major carrier in Canada - I know we are prone to going to straight for the top here cause there is nothing else, but you could lower your standards and still live like royalty down there.
Shocking. It’s a no-brainer to go work in the US. It’s just a matter of time and the future pilot landscape will change
In Canada. With easy license conversion, the next generation of pilots will seek employment there or elsewhere. It’s a no wonder that AC pilots are seeking a World Class Contract.
Many of us would be gone already however US airlines don't sponsor Canadian pilots that's the big issue. I personally had my US EB-2 NIW visa petition denied after having converted my ATPL to the FAA ATP.
Currently the only realistic, sure fire ways to get to the US as a Canadian pilot are marriage, family, or having a spouse who has a profession that can get sponsored for a green card (I hear this is possible with nurses).
Long time lurker, first time poster. Does this fact that there's no easy visa pilots or pathway negate some of the comparisons ALPA has put out there and this argument -- ie. that in fact that there is a Canadian market rate? Similarly, can anyone comment on whether the Middle East path has had an measured impact on AC pilot retention?
P.S. It's pretty clear that across the board AC pilots will get a massive bump. Just not sure it will hit DL UA AA rates.
vrefplus5 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 6:43 am
“….. and if a negotiated settlement is not reached, Air Canada would look to the government to intervene, as it has in recent labour disputes,…..”
Backgrounder: Air Canada Pilot Compensation
Sep 09, 2024
Pilot pay consists of several elements. This includes base pay set out on a pay scale in their contract, and this has increased two per cent each year under the contract agreed upon in 2014.
But this is not the full story. In addition, as pilots progress through their careers to operate larger aircraft or move from first officer to captain, their pay significantly increases to recognize their experience and increased responsibility. A pilot who was with Air Canada in 2014, at the start of the current contract, has seen an hourly rate increase of 65 per cent, more than double the increase of the Consumer Price Index (29 per cent).
Based on the most recent information, the time to upgrade to narrow-body Captain is typically 3-5 years, and 11-15 years to wide-body Captain. In 2023, depending on the type of aircraft they fly, Air Canada captains earned on average between $215,075 and $351,958 per year. The average narrow body aircraft pilot works 13.31 days per month and the average wide-body aircraft pilot works 11.78 days per month.
In addition to base pay, Air Canada offers a comprehensive benefits package. This includes a defined benefit pension retirement program, the opportunity to participate in the airline’s Annual Incentive Plan, generous travel privileges that continue after retirement and more.
Air Canada intends to be an employer of choice in Canada. It will be the best-paying airline in the country for pilots once a new collective agreement is reached. But it must balance this against the associated cost and the willingness of customers to pay for this increase through higher airfares, and its responsibilities to its shareholders as a publicly traded company.
The next government will likely be a Conservative majority that will last through the next CBA open period. There will be no ‘next time’ for a strike. Whatever is left on the table in this round of bargaining will likely never be achieved.
This isn’t about being greedy. This is about 2024 being the only opportunity to restore the AC CBA to a true ‘legacy’ level.
If the corp wants to avoid a strike, it needs to make that decision a difficult one for the ACA MEC. Apparently to date, it has failed to do so.
Bargaining in the media is not a demonstration of frustration, it is a demonstration of obfuscation.
The days of 4 year flat pay are over.
The days of training on days off are over.
The days of no credit for donut layovers are over.
The days of discount freighters are over.
The days of Rouge discounts are over.
Go ahead and have a good fight about the total wage rate increases, but there is so much more to make the AC CBA a respectable legacy pilot contract.
DanWEC wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 7:12 am
11 days a month on the wide body? What??
Are they including all the living retirees as well as people on LTD for that average?
They're defending the pay and doing a completely nonsensical guilt comparison to the CPI in order to keep the whipped dog pilot mandate.
Utterly despicable. What a company.
Always interesting that they never, ever, mention the actual numbers of the 4 year flat pay in their releases.
Perhaps they are counting overnights away from base as vacation time and not work?
Company: The average captain makes 300k!!!
New hires: Pay us half that and there won't be a strike.
Company: Please be realistic and moderate your demands.
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Shocking. It’s a no-brainer to go work in the US. It’s just a matter of time and the future pilot landscape will change
In Canada. With easy license conversion, the next generation of pilots will seek employment there or elsewhere. It’s a no wonder that AC pilots are seeking a World Class Contract.
Many of us would be gone already however US airlines don't sponsor Canadian pilots that's the big issue. I personally had my US EB-2 NIW visa petition denied after having converted my ATPL to the FAA ATP.
Currently the only realistic, sure fire ways to get to the US as a Canadian pilot are marriage, family, or having a spouse who has a profession that can get sponsored for a green card (I hear this is possible with nurses).
Even if your spouse gets a green card, don't you still have to go through the right-to-work process yourself? You can move to the US with your spouse but you can't work.
What a disingenuous load of shit from this company.
13 days on the NB?! They must be counting vacation months, sick days, and 30 hour 2 night Winnipeg layovers against it?
Other than the top handful of guys EVERYONE works 16 days as a blockholder or 18 days on reserve. Then every 4 months you add 1 or 2 days to that for training.
11 days on the WB? Tell that to the guys doing 6 Atlantic trips (12: ocean crossings) a month. Lots of WB guys doing 18-20 day blocks plus training.
Is the company only counting actual flight departure days? Not the all night flight into the next day and then trying to patch together a sleep in a shitty hotel in London only to be awoken in the middle of the night body clock time and fly home?
And company provided DB pension!? That is grossly in surplus and wholly paid for by the pilots and the company actually makes money off of managing?! Hardly "company provided."
Shut it down! I'm ready and dug in. The time is now to GET IT ALL BACK.
I think the MEC should start publicly posting salary data for flat pay pilots and showcase that alot of us work second jobs. A lot of my non-aviation friends think we are crazy for turning down a 30% raise based on the $350K salary data that AC is pumping out in recent news. When I tell people I made $65K last year from full time flying they don't believe me.
In every media publications when it comes down to numbers they only ever seem to post the top seniority widebody captains as a reference. Why are we not countering this?? The public needs to see the 40% that are on flatpay making well under 100k
