Would Air Canada Use Jazz During a Strike?

[DHC-1 Jockey]

Could Jazz management offer to back-fill as many AC routes as they can, and compel the Jazz pilots to fly them? I know both carriers are ALPA, so that may complicate things. Just wondering if that's happened in the North American landscape in the past where a regional operator provided lift to its mainline partner during a strike.

[PostmasterGeneral]

What are you going to do? Replace a 400 seat 777 with a couple RJ’s running from Montreal to Vancouver? Wouldn’t that require a couple fuel stops anyway?

[DHC-1 Jockey]

What are you going to do? Replace a 400 seat 777 with a couple RJ’s running from Montreal to Vancouver? Wouldn’t that require a couple fuel stops anyway?

I meant more on those high-frequency routes like YYZ-YOW, YYZ-YUL, YVR-YYC, etc. Essentially, just use as much excess Jazz uplift as possible to keep some sort of domestic short-haul network going that Jazz isn't already running.

I'm less curious about the logistics of what routes or aircraft would/could be used. I'm more interested to see if there is a precedent of a regional airline providing lift to big brother when the mainline carrier is on strike. Especially when both pilot groups are represented by the same union. Is it possible? Could Jazz management compel their pilots to cross the AC picket line?

[Inverted2]

We are the same union. Plus that would be scabbing. Plus we can’t even operate the CPA flights as it is let alone AC flying. Plus nobody at Jazz better accept any overtime if there’s a strike.

[bcflyer]

Jazz is a separate company so yes they will keep flying and their pilots don’t have a choice. I’m sure their MEC will have directions on how to avoid the picket lines when coming to work to show support. It’s not scabbing.
Btw Jazz doesn’t have any excess capability. They can barely crew the flying they have now.

[boeingboy]

Could Jazz management offer to back-fill as many AC routes as they can, and compel the Jazz pilots to fly them? I know both carriers are ALPA, so that may complicate things. Just wondering if that's happened in the North American landscape in the past where a regional operator provided lift to its mainline partner during a strike.

No more than we would have when Westjet went on strike.

[RoAF-Mig21]

Jazz pilots are not AC pilots (as much as we wish we were). It's not the same company or the same contract. I will follow the instructions from my union. That's all I have to say for now.

[MaxAuto]

Lots of jazz flight might actually be cancelled and consolidated as some feed the international flights. AC will utilize their Star Alliance partners as much as they can, but it's not going to help much.

Solidarity !!

[daedalusx]

Just fly your block.

Hunting season around the corner and there’s ton of work to be done around the house. Sorry not picking up a single overtime shift to cover AC mismanagement and outright appalling behaviour toward their pilots.

[Me262]

What are you going to do? Replace a 400 seat 777 with a couple RJ’s running from Montreal to Vancouver? Wouldn’t that require a couple fuel stops anyway?

I meant more on those high-frequency routes like YYZ-YOW, YYZ-YUL, YVR-YYC, etc. Essentially, just use as much excess Jazz uplift as possible to keep some sort of domestic short-haul network going that Jazz isn't already running.

I'm less curious about the logistics of what routes or aircraft would/could be used. I'm more interested to see if there is a precedent of a regional airline providing lift to big brother when the mainline carrier is on strike. Especially when both pilot groups are represented by the same union. Is it possible? Could Jazz management compel their pilots to cross the AC picket line?

LOL, "excess". What excess? FO's can't even fly because of lack of captains. 5 months now of minimum 77.5hrs MMG for FO's.

[fish4life]

My guess is traditional routes jazz does will be canceled and they will be reallocated to the core business markets out east with a borderline abandonment of the west.
This will be done to try scare us and test our resolve. The reality is it’s like using a piece of gum to plug a small hole at the front of the boat but the transom has fallen off the back.

[Inverted2]

I’ll just use sick or personal days if they reassign me to mainline routes. Failing that I can ground the plane with the stroke of a pen since they’re worn out junk and we are short of AMEs because we’ll, Jazz don’t pay.

[cor_18]

Is it true they asked jazz pilots to preposition to sim days earlier ?

[Inverted2]

Is it true they asked jazz pilots to preposition to sim days earlier ?

Yes but the union stepped in and quashed it.

[prop2jet]

Reassignment to "Mainline" routes would essentially equate to scabbing, which if not mistaken is now been addressed under Federal Law as being a non starter...

Given that all flying conducted by Jazz are done as AC flights, I could also argue that we probably should not be doing any flying!

[braaap Braap]

Jazz pilots would most certainly not be scabbing. A SCAB (still collects all benefits) is someone who belongs to a bargaining unit that is involved in labour action and goes against their peers by crossing the picket line. They enjoy the eventual benefits that the strike produces while continuing to earn their regular income.

Other bargaining units bound by separate contracts which they must fulfill are not scabbing. But I agree with your point that the CLC has been expanded to inhibit the ability to circumvent struck work

[Fanblade]

Reassignment to "Mainline" routes would essentially equate to scabbing, which if not mistaken is now been addressed under Federal Law as being a non starter...

Given that all flying conducted by Jazz are done as AC flights, I could also argue that we probably should not be doing any flying!

Incorrect.

A scab is defined as on our routes and in our aircraft.

Air Canada pilots fully expect Jazz and PAL pilots to go to work and fly what they are assigned. That is not scabbing.

Jazz and PAL pilots do not work for the same employer or within the same bargaining unit. As such if they refuse they can be disciplined.

[truedude]

Reassignment to "Mainline" routes would essentially equate to scabbing, which if not mistaken is now been addressed under Federal Law as being a non starter...

Given that all flying conducted by Jazz are done as AC flights, I could also argue that we probably should not be doing any flying!

Incorrect.

A scab is defined as on our routes and in our aircraft.

Air Canada pilots fully expect Jazz and PAL pilots to go to work and fly what they are assigned. That is not scabbing.

Jazz and PAL pilots do not work for the same employer or within the same bargaining unit. As such if they refuse they can be disciplined.

Lots of snags these days...

[prop2jet]

Reassignment to "Mainline" routes would essentially equate to scabbing, which if not mistaken is now been addressed under Federal Law as being a non starter...

Given that all flying conducted by Jazz are done as AC flights, I could also argue that we probably should not be doing any flying!

Incorrect.

A scab is defined as on our routes and in our aircraft.

Air Canada pilots fully expect Jazz and PAL pilots to go to work and fly what they are assigned. That is not scabbing.

Jazz and PAL pilots do not work for the same employer or within the same bargaining unit. As such if they refuse they can be disciplined.

Last time I checked, we HAVE NO ROUTES... those are all AC routes. AC decides where we fly and what equipment gets flown.

[truedude]

Reassignment to "Mainline" routes would essentially equate to scabbing, which if not mistaken is now been addressed under Federal Law as being a non starter...

Given that all flying conducted by Jazz are done as AC flights, I could also argue that we probably should not be doing any flying!

Incorrect.

A scab is defined as on our routes and in our aircraft.

Air Canada pilots fully expect Jazz and PAL pilots to go to work and fly what they are assigned. That is not scabbing.

Jazz and PAL pilots do not work for the same employer or within the same bargaining unit. As such if they refuse they can be disciplined.

Last time I checked, we HAVE NO ROUTES... those are all AC routes. AC decides where we fly and what equipment gets flown.

Yes, we get reminded of that all the time, AC pilots own all the flying.

But it isn't being a scab to do our job the way it is all structured.

[itsgrosswhatinet]

I don't think any scab will have a very successful career.

IMG_20240912_103738.jpg (461.12 KiB) Viewed 2381 times

[daedalusx]

I don't think any scab will have a very successful career. IMG_20240912_103738.jpg

That’s what WJ ALPA said during the 1st Swoop hiring wave and nothing happened.

[Fanblade]

Reassignment to "Mainline" routes would essentially equate to scabbing, which if not mistaken is now been addressed under Federal Law as being a non starter...

Given that all flying conducted by Jazz are done as AC flights, I could also argue that we probably should not be doing any flying!

Incorrect.

A scab is defined as on our routes and in our aircraft.

Air Canada pilots fully expect Jazz and PAL pilots to go to work and fly what they are assigned. That is not scabbing.

Jazz and PAL pilots do not work for the same employer or within the same bargaining unit. As such if they refuse they can be disciplined.

Last time I checked, we HAVE NO ROUTES... those are all AC routes. AC decides where we fly and what equipment gets flown.

It is why I wrote our routes in our aircraft.

The labor code is different in Canada than the US.

Jazz pilot gets assigned YYZ-YUL in a the CRJ. Not a scab

AC hires Canadian North to operate a 737 between YYZ-YUL. Not a scab

AC hires Canadian North pilots to fly an AC 737 between YYZ-YUL. Now we have a problem.

Pilot unity is important. Throwing around the word scab is a serious threat to that unity if used inappropriately

[CaptDukeNukem]

I don't think any scab will have a very successful career. IMG_20240912_103738.jpg

That’s what WJ ALPA said during the 1st Swoop hiring wave and nothing happened.

Yea, arent most of them at WJ now?