Base Assignment

[scdriver]

Folks, wondering if Jazz is still assigning bases on your second day or if it’s pre employment now? I see some ads with specific bases attached, but the ad seems to contradict that.

[prop2jet]

Bases are assigned with the Seniority Draw. You bid whatever Equipment / Base is available for your hire course.

[genetic jack hammer]

Folks, wondering if Jazz is still assigning bases on your second day or if it’s pre employment now? I see some ads with specific bases attached, but the ad seems to contradict that.

Do you have a link to the ads with specific bases attached? The ones I've seen only state the four bases Jazz has right now

[scdriver]

Folks, wondering if Jazz is still assigning bases on your second day or if it’s pre employment now? I see some ads with specific bases attached, but the ad seems to contradict that.

Do you have a link to the ads with specific bases attached? The ones I've seen only state the four bases Jazz has right now

https://aviationcareers.ca/careersectio ... FVancouver

This one is titled YVR and says primary location Vancouver. But it has the blurb about assignment in line with seniority. But the ads on PCC had specific bases without that blurb.

If a guy was to get hired what is the likelihood of YVR?

[Stable_Approach]

Bases are assigned second day. HR hates these ads because you are not applying to a specific base, you could be assigned any base that is available at the time of your class.

[scdriver]

Bases are assigned second day. HR hates these ads because you are not applying to a specific base, you could be assigned any base that is available at the time of your class.

Understood. Weird the way they’ve got the ads up then but what do I know

[KN84]

Bases are assigned with the Seniority Draw. You bid whatever Equipment / Base is available for your hire course.

How is the order to draw for each hire determined?

[cdnavater]

I know they had specifically advertised for Q400 DEC positions for each base, I believe the plan for that was they would pool the candidates and have a class with only their desired base as positions available, in case that’s not clear, a new hire class of 10 YYZ DEC, then YUL, then…. Not sure of the amount of interest in that, to be honest I don’t look at the Q training schedule to see if any DECs are coming through.

[scdriver]

I know they had specifically advertised for Q400 DEC positions for each base, I believe the plan for that was they would pool the candidates and have a class with only their desired base as positions available, in case that’s not clear, a new hire class of 10 YYZ DEC, then YUL, then…. Not sure of the amount of interest in that, to be honest I don’t look at the Q training schedule to see if any DECs are coming through.

Sounds like a decent idea if you have enough applicants. Seems like doing that for FOs would probably attract some more people

[cdnavater]

I know they had specifically advertised for Q400 DEC positions for each base, I believe the plan for that was they would pool the candidates and have a class with only their desired base as positions available, in case that’s not clear, a new hire class of 10 YYZ DEC, then YUL, then…. Not sure of the amount of interest in that, to be honest I don’t look at the Q training schedule to see if any DECs are coming through.

Sounds like a decent idea if you have enough applicants. Seems like doing that for FOs would probably attract some more people

Typically FOs just want to get in the door and grab that seniority number, most get their preferred base before they get out of initial training.
I agree though, just have smaller classes where the positions available are for a single base!

[digits_]

I know they had specifically advertised for Q400 DEC positions for each base, I believe the plan for that was they would pool the candidates and have a class with only their desired base as positions available, in case that’s not clear, a new hire class of 10 YYZ DEC, then YUL, then…. Not sure of the amount of interest in that, to be honest I don’t look at the Q training schedule to see if any DECs are coming through.

Sounds like a decent idea if you have enough applicants. Seems like doing that for FOs would probably attract some more people

Typically FOs just want to get in the door and grab that seniority number, most get their preferred base before they get out of initial training.
I agree though, just have smaller classes where the positions available are for a single base!

Amazing! It only takes 5 years of pilot shortage for them to start treating applicants as human beings!


(To clarify: I'm making fun of the company, not your response)

[Me262]

I know they had specifically advertised for Q400 DEC positions for each base, I believe the plan for that was they would pool the candidates and have a class with only their desired base as positions available, in case that’s not clear, a new hire class of 10 YYZ DEC, then YUL, then…. Not sure of the amount of interest in that, to be honest I don’t look at the Q training schedule to see if any DECs are coming through.

Sounds like a decent idea if you have enough applicants. Seems like doing that for FOs would probably attract some more people

They have too many FO applications, not enough captains. Jazz is not hurting for FO's at all.

[goingnowherefast]

They have too many FO applications, not enough captains. Jazz is not hurting for FO's at all.

People experienced enough to be seriously interested in, and likely to make it through DEC training at Jazz have been around a while. They see how little AC values their own pilots. They see how AC ignores the Jazz contract (see grievance) and simply doesn't care about Jazz or its pilots. DEC type candidates have options, and generally want to avoid the AC system. It's a problem of AC's making, and they're paying the price. Literally paying the price, reduced capacity with parked and underutilized airplanes due to the pilot shortage. Also unbalanced rosters with FOs siting around not flying and backlogged through training while still collecting a pay check.

[KN84]

They have too many FO applications, not enough captains. Jazz is not hurting for FO's at all.

People experienced enough to be seriously interested in, and likely to make it through DEC training at Jazz have been around a while. They see how little AC values their own pilots. They see how AC ignores the Jazz contract (see grievance) and simply doesn't care about Jazz or its pilots. DEC type candidates have options, and generally want to avoid the AC system. It's a problem of AC's making, and they're paying the price. Literally paying the price, reduced capacity with parked and underutilized airplanes due to the pilot shortage. Also unbalanced rosters with FOs siting around not flying and backlogged through training while still collecting a pay check.

How many hours on type is needed for FO to upgrade?

[prop2jet]

The only successful DEC candidates are the ones that have prior airline experience. Those that have A liceneces should not expect to sail through training. Those recruited with an A licence should at minimum spend a year in the right seat, learn the operation and then bid into the left seat.

If you have prior experience under the current conditions, there are better paying positions elsewhere. I personally would be shocked to see you in class

[Oh_helloghost]

Bases are assigned with the Seniority Draw. You bid whatever Equipment / Base is available for your hire course.

How is the order to draw for each hire determined?

On the second day of ground school, a draw is carried out. Any class members who were previously at an ALPA carrier get to draw first. Then, all the remaining names are put in a hat and drawn out to determine seniority.

Once that’s done, the most senior person on the class gets first pick of the aircraft/base combo that is available for the class. Then they work down the seniority list with each pilot picking from what remains available.

Hope this helps!

[CaptDukeNukem]

Still nuts to me that someone would accept a job position not knowing where they are working and/or what they are flying.

Cool. Have at ‘er

[Me262]

Still nuts to me that someone would accept a job position not knowing where they are working and/or what they are flying.

Cool. Have at ‘er

Porter does the same thing, except you ONLY start in YYZ and go from there. At least with Jazz you have the chance not to start in YYZ if you don't want YYZ. So yes, anyone not wanting YYZ would apply for Jazz. And you have the chance of even flying jets, not just turbo props like Encore or Porter

[CaptDukeNukem]

Still nuts to me that someone would accept a job position not knowing where they are working and/or what they are flying.

Cool. Have at ‘er

Porter does the same thing, except you ONLY start in YYZ and go from there. At least with Jazz you have the chance not to start in YYZ if you don't want YYZ. So yes, anyone not wanting YYZ would apply for Jazz. And you have the chance of even flying jets, not just turbo props like Encore or Porter

Sure… but the difference is when you apply it clearly states YYZ. At jazz, when you apply, you actually don’t know what you’ll fly or where you might be based.

[Anticyclone]

That Q4 DEC only is it an ALPA limitation or this is where the needs are ??
Thanks.

[CaptDukeNukem]

Still nuts to me that someone would accept a job position not knowing where they are working and/or what they are flying.

Cool. Have at ‘er

Porter does the same thing, except you ONLY start in YYZ and go from there. At least with Jazz you have the chance not to start in YYZ if you don't want YYZ. So yes, anyone not wanting YYZ would apply for Jazz. And you have the chance of even flying jets, not just turbo props like Encore or Porter

One last comment… cuz I’ve been bothered by my previous answer as non sufficient.

You say “just turboprops” like Encore or Porter.
You do know that Porter has jets also right? And guess what, if you’re on the Q4 at porter for a bit, chances are you’ll probably gonna end up on the jet in a matter of a few years. Maybe a couple years on an heavy turboprop ain’t bad for someone’s career.

Encore is a whole other story and matching that with Porter is frankly just wrong.

Wish you all the best at jazz. The RJ is a great machine.

[cdnavater]

That Q4 DEC only is it an ALPA limitation or this is where the needs are ??
Thanks.

We need Captains on all equipment at all bases, I believe the limited DEC Q4 spots at specific bases was a way to try and attract some qualified pilots who were worried about not getting their desired base.

[BetterLateThanNever]

Base transfer timelines seem quite variable. Everyone on the jets seem to get their desired base within a few months but the Q400 queue from West to East seems like 1 year+.

In the last class, 6 of 7 new hires that got YVR/Q400 were looking for Eastern bases. I wonder if they are shooting themselves in the foot by not offering known bases to FOs during hiring? Not sure how many will stick around for upgrade after living 1 year 3 times zones away, in the most expensive city in Canada with modest pay and no COLA. That's a big QOL hit that will likely sour a lot of people.

[cdnavater]

Base transfer timelines seem quite variable. Everyone on the jets seem to get their desired base within a few months but the Q400 queue from West to East seems like 1 year+.

In the last class, 6 of 7 new hires that got YVR/Q400 were looking for Eastern bases. I wonder if they are shooting themselves in the foot by not offering known bases to FOs during hiring? Not sure how many will stick around for upgrade after living 1 year 3 times zones away, in the most expensive city in Canada with modest pay and no COLA. That's a big QOL hit that will likely sour a lot of people.

Good thing we’re hiring FOs that are not really desired by other companies then!
Joking but not really, a small percentage of new hires are close to upgrade requirements, I’m seeing some Captain upgrades on employee numbers from this year, meaning they got through the FO initial and immediately bid for left seat and were awarded before they even have 100 hours on type. Much smarter than attempting the DEC route but not without risk, still a probationary pilot.
Anyhow, I’m not sure how many more experienced FOs we would attract by having classes that have positions for a single base, I’m sure someone has looked at that.

[BetterLateThanNever]

The last class must have been an anomaly because almost all of them will be eligible for upgrade within a year. 3-4 ATPLs and most of the others were 1000+ with 703/704 time. I think 3 or 4 only had instructor time.