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Pilot Hiring 2025

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Flair will begin running new hire courses again in January 2025.

Currently, we have courses planned for January and February for YYZ First Officers with interviews beginning in November 2024.
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Re: Pilot Hiring 2025

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Any word on hiring requirements for this upcoming classes?
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Re: Pilot Hiring 2025

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KN84 wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2024 7:34 am Any word on hiring requirements for this upcoming classes?
From our website

Captain
must have a minimum of 5,000 hours total time (fixed-wing)
500+ PIC hours on jet aircraft above 75 000 pounds, or 1000+ hours on B737NG/MAX (B73C)
must be able to travel unrestricted to and from the United States
ability to obtain and maintain a Restricted Area Identification Card (RAIC)
valid Transport Canada Airline Transport Pilot’s License (ATPL)
valid Category 1 medical
must have English and/or French language proficiency
clear background and criminal record checks

first officer
must have a minimum of 1,000 hours total time (fixed-wing)
must be able to travel unrestricted to and from the United States
ability to obtain and maintain a Restricted Area Identification Card (RAIC)
valid Transport Canada Airline Transport Pilot’s License (ATPL) or Commercial Pilot License with either IATRA or SAMRA/SARON exams completed
valid Category 1 medical
must have English and/or French language proficiency
clear background and criminal record checks

upgrades
must have a minimum of 4,000 hours of total time
at least one recurrent PPC to Captain standards
complete the command upgrade program

Competitive candidates will have over 1500 hours with turboprop experience and ideally 705 operations experience.
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Re: Pilot Hiring 2025

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tbaylx wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2024 7:18 am Flair will begin running new hire courses again in January 2025.

Currently, we have courses planned for January and February for YYZ First Officers with interviews beginning in November 2024.

No DEC hiring ?
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Re: Pilot Hiring 2025

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AmNotAnonymous wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2024 8:02 am
tbaylx wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2024 7:18 am Flair will begin running new hire courses again in January 2025.

Currently, we have courses planned for January and February for YYZ First Officers with interviews beginning in November 2024.

No DEC hiring ?
Not at this time. Depending on our spring 2025 upgrade bid results we may require DEC's after the Jan and Feb classes.
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Re: Pilot Hiring 2025

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tbaylx wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2024 7:47 am
KN84 wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2024 7:34 am Any word on hiring requirements for this upcoming classes?
From our website

Captain
must have a minimum of 5,000 hours total time (fixed-wing)
500+ PIC hours on jet aircraft above 75 000 pounds, or 1000+ hours on B737NG/MAX (B73C)
must be able to travel unrestricted to and from the United States
ability to obtain and maintain a Restricted Area Identification Card (RAIC)
valid Transport Canada Airline Transport Pilot’s License (ATPL)
valid Category 1 medical
must have English and/or French language proficiency
clear background and criminal record checks

first officer
must have a minimum of 1,000 hours total time (fixed-wing)
must be able to travel unrestricted to and from the United States
ability to obtain and maintain a Restricted Area Identification Card (RAIC)
valid Transport Canada Airline Transport Pilot’s License (ATPL) or Commercial Pilot License with either IATRA or SAMRA/SARON exams completed
valid Category 1 medical
must have English and/or French language proficiency
clear background and criminal record checks

upgrades
must have a minimum of 4,000 hours of total time
at least one recurrent PPC to Captain standards
complete the command upgrade program

Competitive candidates will have over 1500 hours with turboprop experience and ideally 705 operations experience.
Why doesn’t Flair give applicants without 705 experience an opportunity? What issues do for example an experienced king air training captain with FMS glass cockpit experience have to transition to 705 ops?
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KN84 wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2024 1:26 pm
Why doesn’t Flair give applicants without 705 experience an opportunity? What issues do for example an experienced king air training captain with FMS glass cockpit experience have to transition to 705 ops?
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Re: Pilot Hiring 2025

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tbaylx wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2024 11:03 am
AmNotAnonymous wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2024 8:02 am
tbaylx wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2024 7:18 am Flair will begin running new hire courses again in January 2025.

Currently, we have courses planned for January and February for YYZ First Officers with interviews beginning in November 2024.

No DEC hiring ?
Not at this time. Depending on our spring 2025 upgrade bid results we may require DEC's after the Jan and Feb classes.

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Re: Pilot Hiring 2025

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KN84 wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2024 1:26 pm
tbaylx wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2024 7:47 am
KN84 wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2024 7:34 am Any word on hiring requirements for this upcoming classes?
From our website

Captain
must have a minimum of 5,000 hours total time (fixed-wing)
500+ PIC hours on jet aircraft above 75 000 pounds, or 1000+ hours on B737NG/MAX (B73C)
must be able to travel unrestricted to and from the United States
ability to obtain and maintain a Restricted Area Identification Card (RAIC)
valid Transport Canada Airline Transport Pilot’s License (ATPL)
valid Category 1 medical
must have English and/or French language proficiency
clear background and criminal record checks

first officer
must have a minimum of 1,000 hours total time (fixed-wing)
must be able to travel unrestricted to and from the United States
ability to obtain and maintain a Restricted Area Identification Card (RAIC)
valid Transport Canada Airline Transport Pilot’s License (ATPL) or Commercial Pilot License with either IATRA or SAMRA/SARON exams completed
valid Category 1 medical
must have English and/or French language proficiency
clear background and criminal record checks

upgrades
must have a minimum of 4,000 hours of total time
at least one recurrent PPC to Captain standards
complete the command upgrade program

Competitive candidates will have over 1500 hours with turboprop experience and ideally 705 operations experience.
Why doesn’t Flair give applicants without 705 experience an opportunity? What issues do for example an experienced king air training captain with FMS glass cockpit experience have to transition to 705 ops?
We've hired many pilots without 705 experience, in some cases without multi-engine experience or high-performance aircraft experience. After many years of hiring analysis, our most successful candidates are those who come from a 705 background on a Q400, CRJ, EMB or similar. They are familiar with airline operations, scheduling, and operating into the same type of airports Flair does. They have also typically worked a 703/704 job before their employment at a 705 carrier.

That isn't to say we don't hire pilots who have never flown in a 705 operation, we do often. But if we have a choice between candidates for a given position and both scored equally well on the interview process, we'll often prioritize the Q400/EMB/CRJ candidate from Jazz, Encore, PASCO, Porter etc. I don't think we're alone in that preference.

Previous experience is only one piece of the hiring puzzle. We put more emphasis on interview and COMPASS testing scores than if you've worked at a 705 or not.
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Re: Pilot Hiring 2025

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tbaylx wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2024 2:37 pm
KN84 wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2024 1:26 pm
tbaylx wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2024 7:47 am

From our website

Captain
must have a minimum of 5,000 hours total time (fixed-wing)
500+ PIC hours on jet aircraft above 75 000 pounds, or 1000+ hours on B737NG/MAX (B73C)
must be able to travel unrestricted to and from the United States
ability to obtain and maintain a Restricted Area Identification Card (RAIC)
valid Transport Canada Airline Transport Pilot’s License (ATPL)
valid Category 1 medical
must have English and/or French language proficiency
clear background and criminal record checks

first officer
must have a minimum of 1,000 hours total time (fixed-wing)
must be able to travel unrestricted to and from the United States
ability to obtain and maintain a Restricted Area Identification Card (RAIC)
valid Transport Canada Airline Transport Pilot’s License (ATPL) or Commercial Pilot License with either IATRA or SAMRA/SARON exams completed
valid Category 1 medical
must have English and/or French language proficiency
clear background and criminal record checks

upgrades
must have a minimum of 4,000 hours of total time
at least one recurrent PPC to Captain standards
complete the command upgrade program

Competitive candidates will have over 1500 hours with turboprop experience and ideally 705 operations experience.
Why doesn’t Flair give applicants without 705 experience an opportunity? What issues do for example an experienced king air training captain with FMS glass cockpit experience have to transition to 705 ops?
We've hired many pilots without 705 experience, in some cases without multi-engine experience or high-performance aircraft experience. After many years of hiring analysis, our most successful candidates are those who come from a 705 background on a Q400, CRJ, EMB or similar. They are familiar with airline operations, scheduling, and operating into the same type of airports Flair does. They have also typically worked a 703/704 job before their employment at a 705 carrier.

That isn't to say we don't hire pilots who have never flown in a 705 operation, we do often. But if we have a choice between candidates for a given position and both scored equally well on the interview process, we'll often prioritize the Q400/EMB/CRJ candidate from Jazz, Encore, PASCO, Porter etc. I don't think we're alone in that preference.

Previous experience is only one piece of the hiring puzzle. We put more emphasis on interview and COMPASS testing scores than if you've worked at a 705 or not.
Man, you got sucked into a troll post… again. KN84 has thousands of hours of king air PIC. Can’t get hired anywhere. You just added Jet-A to his avcanada fun.

Click on users and read previous posts. I’m gonna chalk this up to you’re too busy reading stacks of resumes.
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Aren't a lot of people still in the hiring pool?
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KN84 wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2024 1:26 pm
tbaylx wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2024 7:47 am
KN84 wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2024 7:34 am Any word on hiring requirements for this upcoming classes?
From our website

Captain
must have a minimum of 5,000 hours total time (fixed-wing)
500+ PIC hours on jet aircraft above 75 000 pounds, or 1000+ hours on B737NG/MAX (B73C)
must be able to travel unrestricted to and from the United States
ability to obtain and maintain a Restricted Area Identification Card (RAIC)
valid Transport Canada Airline Transport Pilot’s License (ATPL)
valid Category 1 medical
must have English and/or French language proficiency
clear background and criminal record checks

first officer
must have a minimum of 1,000 hours total time (fixed-wing)
must be able to travel unrestricted to and from the United States
ability to obtain and maintain a Restricted Area Identification Card (RAIC)
valid Transport Canada Airline Transport Pilot’s License (ATPL) or Commercial Pilot License with either IATRA or SAMRA/SARON exams completed
valid Category 1 medical
must have English and/or French language proficiency
clear background and criminal record checks

upgrades
must have a minimum of 4,000 hours of total time
at least one recurrent PPC to Captain standards
complete the command upgrade program

Competitive candidates will have over 1500 hours with turboprop experience and ideally 705 operations experience.
Why doesn’t Flair give applicants without 705 experience an opportunity? What issues do for example an experienced king air training captain with FMS glass cockpit experience have to transition to 705 ops?
You’d be wasting your talents. Why don’t you hold out for a spot at NASA or possibly a position at Top Gun in Miramar.
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Why not come to WJ?
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PittBoss wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 11:42 pm Why not come to WJ?
Cause ATPL not required for FOs. And is WJ hiring DECs?
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Any idea when hiring for the yvr base? Is YYZ a comutable base, as in is there overnight pairings so I wouldnt have to live there? I know Flair was big on the home most night model.Thanks in advance.
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danno wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2024 11:50 am Any idea when hiring for the yvr base? Is YYZ a comutable base, as in is there overnight pairings so I wouldnt have to live there? I know Flair was big on the home most night model.Thanks in advance.
It's probably the most commuted to base in Canada, but as a new FO you would start on reserve, so you'd need to get local accommodations. That said, the last I heard, we're so short FOs in YYZ that only 80% of the flying is even covered the day the schedule comes out, and either low seniority Captains typed in both seats, or western pilots on reserve end up covering the slack. Point is you will likely fly a fair bit, just not on a schedule for the first while.
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co-joe wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2024 3:01 pm
danno wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2024 11:50 am Any idea when hiring for the yvr base? Is YYZ a comutable base, as in is there overnight pairings so I wouldnt have to live there? I know Flair was big on the home most night model.Thanks in advance.
It's probably the most commuted to base in Canada, but as a new FO you would start on reserve, so you'd need to get local accommodations. That said, the last I heard, we're so short FOs in YYZ that only 80% of the flying is even covered the day the schedule comes out, and either low seniority Captains typed in both seats, or western pilots on reserve end up covering the slack. Point is you will likely fly a fair bit, just not on a schedule for the first while.
Are you short FOs in YEG? How many years to upgrade currently or do you just need 4000 hours as mentioned above?
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Hysteria wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2024 10:20 pm
co-joe wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2024 3:01 pm
danno wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2024 11:50 am Any idea when hiring for the yvr base? Is YYZ a comutable base, as in is there overnight pairings so I wouldnt have to live there? I know Flair was big on the home most night model.Thanks in advance.
It's probably the most commuted to base in Canada, but as a new FO you would start on reserve, so you'd need to get local accommodations. That said, the last I heard, we're so short FOs in YYZ that only 80% of the flying is even covered the day the schedule comes out, and either low seniority Captains typed in both seats, or western pilots on reserve end up covering the slack. Point is you will likely fly a fair bit, just not on a schedule for the first while.
Are you short FOs in YEG? How many years to upgrade currently or do you just need 4000 hours as mentioned above?
Sorry Danno, I didn't even answer your question about YVR. For some reason people really want to live there, so it's going to be a while before you can hold it. As for upgrades or other bases like yeg or yyc, it's a really hard question to answer right now. We upgraded a lot of people in anticipation of getting new aircraft, but that has ground to a halt for the past year, and so we're Captain heavy, and even slightly overstaffed at western bases. The CP has said over and over that there won't be any forced moves, or downgrades which is positive, but it means there is a backlog to clear out before any movement will happen. A few new planes will likely just clear out the pipes a bit, likely upgrades will only be in yyz, so if someone out west is willing to commute a spot on the coast could open up. I wish I had more definitive news.
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co-joe wrote: Fri Oct 11, 2024 9:28 pm
Hysteria wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2024 10:20 pm
co-joe wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2024 3:01 pm

It's probably the most commuted to base in Canada, but as a new FO you would start on reserve, so you'd need to get local accommodations. That said, the last I heard, we're so short FOs in YYZ that only 80% of the flying is even covered the day the schedule comes out, and either low seniority Captains typed in both seats, or western pilots on reserve end up covering the slack. Point is you will likely fly a fair bit, just not on a schedule for the first while.
Are you short FOs in YEG? How many years to upgrade currently or do you just need 4000 hours as mentioned above?
A few new planes will likely just clear out the pipes a bit, likely upgrades will only be in yyz, so if someone out west is willing to commute a spot on the coast could open up. I wish I had more definitive news.
When they coming? Any news?
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co-joe wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2024 3:01 pm
danno wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2024 11:50 am Any idea when hiring for the yvr base? Is YYZ a comutable base, as in is there overnight pairings so I wouldnt have to live there? I know Flair was big on the home most night model.Thanks in advance.
It's probably the most commuted to base in Canada, but as a new FO you would start on reserve, so you'd need to get local accommodations. That said, the last I heard, we're so short FOs in YYZ that only 80% of the flying is even covered the day the schedule comes out, and either low seniority Captains typed in both seats, or western pilots on reserve end up covering the slack. Point is you will likely fly a fair bit, just not on a schedule for the first while.
Then why did Flair stopped hiring FOs if short? There's a dime and dozen. I'm sure Jazz will send over some FOs if Flar sends some captains :lol:
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Me262 wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 8:39 pm
co-joe wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2024 3:01 pm
danno wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2024 11:50 am Any idea when hiring for the yvr base? Is YYZ a comutable base, as in is there overnight pairings so I wouldnt have to live there? I know Flair was big on the home most night model.Thanks in advance.
It's probably the most commuted to base in Canada, but as a new FO you would start on reserve, so you'd need to get local accommodations. That said, the last I heard, we're so short FOs in YYZ that only 80% of the flying is even covered the day the schedule comes out, and either low seniority Captains typed in both seats, or western pilots on reserve end up covering the slack. Point is you will likely fly a fair bit, just not on a schedule for the first while.
Then why did Flair stopped hiring FOs if short? There's a dime and dozen. I'm sure Jazz will send over some FOs if Flar sends some captains :lol:
Our overall numbers have been fine, we haven't needed to recruit. We do have a base imbalance though where we are short First Officers in YYZ and heavy elsewhere in the network. That will be addressed with Q1 2025 hiring as it will almost all be in YYZ.
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tbaylx wrote: Mon Oct 14, 2024 9:46 am
Me262 wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 8:39 pm
co-joe wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2024 3:01 pm

It's probably the most commuted to base in Canada, but as a new FO you would start on reserve, so you'd need to get local accommodations. That said, the last I heard, we're so short FOs in YYZ that only 80% of the flying is even covered the day the schedule comes out, and either low seniority Captains typed in both seats, or western pilots on reserve end up covering the slack. Point is you will likely fly a fair bit, just not on a schedule for the first while.
Then why did Flair stopped hiring FOs if short? There's a dime and dozen. I'm sure Jazz will send over some FOs if Flar sends some captains :lol:
Our overall numbers have been fine, we haven't needed to recruit. We do have a base imbalance though where we are short First Officers in YYZ and heavy elsewhere in the network. That will be addressed with Q1 2025 hiring as it will almost all be in YYZ.
Hey tbaylx, when will the invitations for the January GS start going out?
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yuecong97 wrote: Mon Oct 14, 2024 12:25 pm
tbaylx wrote: Mon Oct 14, 2024 9:46 am
Me262 wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 8:39 pm

Then why did Flair stopped hiring FOs if short? There's a dime and dozen. I'm sure Jazz will send over some FOs if Flar sends some captains :lol:
Our overall numbers have been fine, we haven't needed to recruit. We do have a base imbalance though where we are short First Officers in YYZ and heavy elsewhere in the network. That will be addressed with Q1 2025 hiring as it will almost all be in YYZ.
Hey tbaylx, when will the invitations for the January GS start going out?
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tbaylx wrote: Mon Oct 14, 2024 9:46 am
Me262 wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 8:39 pm
co-joe wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2024 3:01 pm

It's probably the most commuted to base in Canada, but as a new FO you would start on reserve, so you'd need to get local accommodations. That said, the last I heard, we're so short FOs in YYZ that only 80% of the flying is even covered the day the schedule comes out, and either low seniority Captains typed in both seats, or western pilots on reserve end up covering the slack. Point is you will likely fly a fair bit, just not on a schedule for the first while.
Then why did Flair stopped hiring FOs if short? There's a dime and dozen. I'm sure Jazz will send over some FOs if Flar sends some captains :lol:
Our overall numbers have been fine, we haven't needed to recruit. We do have a base imbalance though where we are short First Officers in YYZ and heavy elsewhere in the network. That will be addressed with Q1 2025 hiring as it will almost all be in YYZ.
Seniority bidding or socialized bidding at flair ?
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yuecong97 wrote: Mon Oct 14, 2024 12:25 pm
tbaylx wrote: Mon Oct 14, 2024 9:46 am
Me262 wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 8:39 pm

Then why did Flair stopped hiring FOs if short? There's a dime and dozen. I'm sure Jazz will send over some FOs if Flar sends some captains :lol:
Our overall numbers have been fine, we haven't needed to recruit. We do have a base imbalance though where we are short First Officers in YYZ and heavy elsewhere in the network. That will be addressed with Q1 2025 hiring as it will almost all be in YYZ.
Hey tbaylx, when will the invitations for the January GS start going out?
Sometime in mid December
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