Air Canada Pilot Incentive Bonus

[PeakLeverage]

Hey Air Canada pilots,

Congratulations on the Q3 results. Rousseau was very excited with the deal with ALPA.

So what will you be doing with your bonus from 2024 when the company is so profitable.

Ha. Just kidding. You all ain't getting shit.

At least the Flight Attendants will though.

Losers

PS

Maybe you can get some gains from the increase in the stock price with the share buybacks.

[porcsord]

Tell me you got a PFO from Big Red without telling me you got a PFO from Big Red...

[3rdWorldClassPilot]

Tell me you got a PFO from Big Red without telling me you got a PFO from Big Red...

The "go to" of rationalizing after Air Canada pilots got smoked again in negotiating

Pretty sure anyone with a pulse is getting hired these days so stop with this fantasy of "making the NHL"

[Winnikegger]

AC can't even fill ground schools

How could they be turning anyone away at this point?

[Flyboy736]

AC can't even fill ground schools

How could they be turning anyone away at this point?

Buddy just got a PFO. They are turning away a fair amount of Jazz captains. Wonder why... certainly not to "protect the operation" I'm sure /s

[Man_in_the_sky]

I’ve flown with some jazz captain that deserved a pfo

[CaptDukeNukem]

I’ve flown with some jazz captain that deserved a pfo

Lol.

[‘Bob’]

Tell me you got a PFO from Big Red without telling me you got a PFO from Big Red...

I believe someone on here said that Air Canada is literally the least exclusive aviation employer in this country.

[CaptDukeNukem]

AC can't even fill ground schools

How could they be turning anyone away at this point?

Buddy just got a PFO. They are turning away a fair amount of Jazz captains. Wonder why... certainly not to "protect the operation" I'm sure /s

Your friend probably asked the doctor doing his medical if the doctor was medically qualified . And why fingers were required for this exam

[Blueontop]

Tell me you got a PFO from Big Red without telling me you got a PFO from Big Red...

Except that he’s totally right. Stop deflecting and accept he’s absolutely correct.

[PeakLeverage]

Tell me you got a PFO from Big Red without telling me you got a PFO from Big Red...

They offered me the exclusive rubber dog shit Deer Lake run or the middle seat to Frankfurt while listening about the boomers Captain boat on Lake Simcoe and I said hells yesssss

After bringing in ALPA to eliminate the "Canadian discount" so I can get a whopping $87 a hour...that sealed the deal

[FelixGustof]

Wow...10% repurchase of shares authorized through a share buy back program...days after ratifying your pilot contract.

You guys look like fools

[khedrei]

Wow...10% repurchase of shares authorized through a share buy back program...days after ratifying your pilot contract.

You guys look like fools

At least the FOs got taken care of as promised.


Oh wait...

[Launchpad1]

I refer you all to this survey I did.

viewtopic.php?t=218831

It wasn't happiness with the new contract that got it accepted by the majority, it was the legitimate concern of government intervention.

The issue lies with the Canadian governments history of meddling in union negotiations. Of course in very rare instances they have to but they meddle to much and to often.

[piperdriver]

I refer you all to this survey I did.

viewtopic.php?t=218831

It wasn't happiness with the new contract that got it accepted by the majority, it was the legitimate concern of government intervention.

The issue lies with the Canadian governments history of meddling in union negotiations. Of course in very rare instances they have to but they meddle to much and to often.

Quit trying to justify this shitty contract. First Officers are basically living in poverty in YYZ or YVR. A strong no vote would have sent a strong message to A/C management that you guys are serious about demanding a world class contract. It won’t get any better during the next round of negotiations. Management knows you cowards will fold like a house of cards. What a Bunch of cucks!!!! (I mean Yes voters of course.)

I cannot for the life of me see how arbitration would be worse then the shitty contract that was agreed to.

[Aerkavo]

I cannot for the life of me see how arbitration would be worse then the shitty contract that was agreed to.

That's because you've never been burned by an arbitrator. Look, I voted "NO" but did so knowing there was a very real chance of getting less than the TA terms by doing so.

You can keep posting the line about "not possibly getting less in arbitration" but history has shown otherwise.

[crystalpizza]

The deal is done, it is what it is. What is the argument here? You still don’t like it? We don’t care, get over it.

[TheStig]

Quit trying to justify this shitty contract. First Officers are basically living in poverty in YYZ or YVR. A strong no vote would have sent a strong message to A/C management that you guys are serious about demanding a world class contract. It won’t get any better during the next round of negotiations. Management knows you cowards will fold like a house of cards. What a Bunch of cucks!!!! (I mean Yes voters of course.)

I cannot for the life of me see how arbitration would be worse then the shitty contract that was agreed to.

Clearly an expert on labour relations and airline negotiations.

Bumping this thread up.

2023 Float Season

Location Northern Ontario.

Started out in the spring flying the Cessna 180 and training on the beaver $240 per day.

Checked out and hauling passengers in DHC-2 $260 per day.

Got a raise in late August still on DHC-2 $280 per day.

All the above rates are without vacation pay so you can add 4 percent to the above rates if you want an exact figure. Pretty standard Northern Ontario float job. Hauling tourists to camps, maybe the odd canoe charter, and some mining exploration work as well so a fairly busy summer.

Same deal as last year accommodations on the lake were provided, but I was responsible for food. Hope everyone had a great season.

[Protonpilot]

First Officers are basically living in poverty in YYZ or YVR.

$85,000 in year 1. $90,000 in year 2. Without flying a single hour of overtime. And in year 3 you're on formula pay.

Poverty?

Not even close.

Go have a look at Stats Canada. The average annual wage for the 10 million hourly workers in Canada is $51,000. The average annual wage for the 7 million salaried workers in Canada is $87,000. Maybe you should ask them how they get by (and most of them support families)?

If you're in the habit of spending 5%, 10% or 15% more than you earn every month, because you have to have the latest iPhone Pro, and Macbook Air laptop, and a real nice car, and you've buried yourself in mortgage debt before having the means to carry that debt, then things are only going to get worse for you as you get older. Because 10% more than $200,000 each year is a deeper hole than it is for $85,000/year.

You want to see real poverty? Go take a walk in the East side of downtown Vancouver.

[altiplano]

First Officers are basically living in poverty in YYZ or YVR.

$85,000 in year 1. $90,000 in year 2. Without flying a single hour of overtime. And in year 3 you're on formula pay.

Poverty?

Not even close.

Go have a look at Stats Canada. The average annual wage for the 10 million hourly workers in Canada is $51,000. The average annual wage for the 7 million salaried workers in Canada is $87,000. Maybe you should ask them how they get by (and most of them support families)?

If you're in the habit of spending 5%, 10% or 15% more than you earn every month, because you have to have the latest iPhone Pro, and Macbook Air laptop, and a real nice car, and you've buried yourself in mortgage debt before having the means to carry that debt, then things are only going to get worse for you as you get older. Because 10% more than $200,000 each year is a deeper hole than it is for $85,000/year.

You want to see real poverty? Go take a walk in the East side of downtown Vancouver.

Absolutely. I'm not happy about how it all went down and wanted better, but $85-90K isn't poverty at all. Not even close. Half of that still wouldn't be poverty.

You really need to look at yourself and your consumption if you can't make it work somehow on that for a couple years.

[cdnavater]

Quit trying to justify this shitty contract. First Officers are basically living in poverty in YYZ or YVR. A strong no vote would have sent a strong message to A/C management that you guys are serious about demanding a world class contract. It won’t get any better during the next round of negotiations. Management knows you cowards will fold like a house of cards. What a Bunch of cucks!!!! (I mean Yes voters of course.)

I cannot for the life of me see how arbitration would be worse then the shitty contract that was agreed to.

Clearly an expert on labour relations and airline negotiations.

Bumping this thread up.

2023 Float Season

Location Northern Ontario.

Started out in the spring flying the Cessna 180 and training on the beaver $240 per day.

Checked out and hauling passengers in DHC-2 $260 per day.

Got a raise in late August still on DHC-2 $280 per day.

All the above rates are without vacation pay so you can add 4 percent to the above rates if you want an exact figure. Pretty standard Northern Ontario float job. Hauling tourists to camps, maybe the odd canoe charter, and some mining exploration work as well so a fairly busy summer.

Same deal as last year accommodations on the lake were provided, but I was responsible for food. Hope everyone had a great season.

Funny stuff, a bit hypocritical to say the least!
Let’s do the math on this gem, if you only get the minimum days off by CARSs, you are working 27 days per month at 280/day is 7560/month.
Let’s be conservative because we all know the float guys fly sun up to sun down, average that out to 12 hours per day, 324 hours a month is 23.33/hour and you need your own food, wow, making bank here buddy!
I don’t include the lodging because, you need somewhere to live and odds are you’re keeping a place for the off season, if you’re not, you’re living out of a suitcase and trying to find accommodation for the off season.

[Blueontop]

First Officers are basically living in poverty in YYZ or YVR.

$85,000 in year 1. $90,000 in year 2. Without flying a single hour of overtime. And in year 3 you're on formula pay.

Poverty?

Not even close.

Go have a look at Stats Canada. The average annual wage for the 10 million hourly workers in Canada is $51,000. The average annual wage for the 7 million salaried workers in Canada is $87,000. Maybe you should ask them how they get by (and most of them support families)?

If you're in the habit of spending 5%, 10% or 15% more than you earn every month, because you have to have the latest iPhone Pro, and Macbook Air laptop, and a real nice car, and you've buried yourself in mortgage debt before having the means to carry that debt, then things are only going to get worse for you as you get older. Because 10% more than $200,000 each year is a deeper hole than it is for $85,000/year.

You want to see real poverty? Go take a walk in the East side of downtown Vancouver.

Ya it’s not 85K year 1, it’s 78K year 1 and 84K year 2 AND THEN onto formula lite pay for another 2 years meaning it’s only ok money FO on the WB or upgrade to captain on the NB. 85K in the GTA ain’t shit for a middle aged person with a family. Stop trying to justify a garbage deal. Accept that those numbers are an insult to experienced professionals coming to AC.

[lowoleo22]

Ya it’s not 85K year 1, it’s 78K year 1 and 84K year 2 AND THEN onto formula lite pay for another 2 years meaning it’s only ok money FO on the WB or upgrade to captain on the NB. 85K in the GTA ain’t shit for a middle aged person with a family. Stop trying to justify a garbage deal. Accept that those numbers are an insult to experienced professionals coming to AC.

It is an insult to experienced professionals, but AC has never tried to court experienced professionals. They want 20-somethings with little experience they can pay like dirt and treat like dirt. They want you to come in and earn it all over again (as if you haven't been earning it for years before joining). And don't worry about your senior pilots, they'll throw you under the bus to give themselves a raise to pay for their 2nd divorce and a new boat. If you are an experienced professional I'd be looking at anywhere but AC.

[Landingstrip]

I refer you all to this survey I did.

viewtopic.php?t=218831

It wasn't happiness with the new contract that got it accepted by the majority, it was the legitimate concern of government intervention.

The issue lies with the Canadian governments history of meddling in union negotiations. Of course in very rare instances they have to but they meddle to much and to often.

Right, so fear then. You are all cowards. No we get it.

[Blueontop]

Ya it’s not 85K year 1, it’s 78K year 1 and 84K year 2 AND THEN onto formula lite pay for another 2 years meaning it’s only ok money FO on the WB or upgrade to captain on the NB. 85K in the GTA ain’t shit for a middle aged person with a family. Stop trying to justify a garbage deal. Accept that those numbers are an insult to experienced professionals coming to AC.

It is an insult to experienced professionals, but AC has never tried to court experienced professionals. They want 20-somethings with little experience they can pay like dirt and treat like dirt. They want you to come in and earn it all over again (as if you haven't been earning it for years before joining). And don't worry about your senior pilots, they'll throw you under the bus to give themselves a raise to pay for their 2nd divorce and a new boat. If you are an experienced professional I'd be looking at anywhere but AC.

I basically agree with all you state however what 705 in Canada would you be looking at? They all pay garbage wages in the beginning and some are still worse than AC in the long term. I might say AT but they still pay basically AC wages in the beginning as well.