Allegiant rejects 70% pay increase

[Flight94]

https://www.avweb.com/aviation-news/all ... -increase/


More than 97% of Allegiant Airlines' 1,300 pilots have authorized their union to hold a strike vote even though the airline has offered them a 70% pay hike over the next five years. Teamsters Local 2118 said the increase isn't enough to bring Allegiant pilots to the levels they need. "Allegiant pilots are some of the most overworked and underpaid in the airline industry," the union said in a statement. The strike cannot be held for at least a month after the strike vote, and the union is still in talks at the National Mediation Board.

Meanwhile, airline spokesman Somys Padgett told Travel Pulse that in addition to the hefty pay increase, the company's offer includes "a significant increase in retirement benefits, long term disability, and extensive scheduling and quality of life improvements." A strike could theoretically affect holiday travel plans for thousands of people. Allegiant is based in Las Vegas and operates budget flights throughout the country.

[co-joe]

Wow, pilots that turned down the first offer? How un-Canadian of them.

[canadianfly]

They know how to valorize themselves...

[digits_]

Makes sense, it's a completely different environment. We all know the US government and US society is way more labour and union friendly.

Oh wait.

Never mind.

[VFS]

Just stop referencing American salaries and negotiations on this forum, it’s absolutely useless.

This latest World clASS Contract proved we will never get anywhere close to there. Too many spineless metal chasers in this country.

[cdnavater]

Just stop referencing American salaries and negotiations on this forum, it’s absolutely useless.

This latest World clASS Contract proved we will never get anywhere close to there. Too many spineless metal chasers in this country.

Well, I don’t know what to tell you but Delta top scale 777 Captain is 438.42(Jan 24), AC 777 Captain 424.60(Sept 24), how much closer do you need to be to say it’s close?
Delta top 777 FO 299.48 AC top FO 777 275.99
This was in one contract after the 10 year contract which was post FOS selection contract! Huge ground was made on this contract, I’m not sure why people don’t see it!

[goingnowherefast]

Just stop referencing American salaries and negotiations on this forum, it’s absolutely useless.

This latest World clASS Contract proved we will never get anywhere close to there. Too many spineless metal chasers in this country.

Well, I don’t know what to tell you but Delta top scale 777 Captain is 438.42(Jan 24), AC 777 Captain 424.60(Sept 24), how much closer do you need to be to say it’s close?
Delta top 777 FO 299.48 AC top FO 777 275.99
This was in one contract after the 10 year contract which was post FOS selection contract! Huge ground was made on this contract, I’m not sure why people don’t see it!

Now compare yr.1, 2 & 3 JBU to yr.1, 2 & 3 AC or WJ. Nevermind, DAL or UAL.

[cjp]

Just stop referencing American salaries and negotiations on this forum, it’s absolutely useless.

This latest World clASS Contract proved we will never get anywhere close to there. Too many spineless metal chasers in this country.

Well, I don’t know what to tell you but Delta top scale 777 Captain is 438.42(Jan 24), AC 777 Captain 424.60(Sept 24), how much closer do you need to be to say it’s close?
Delta top 777 FO 299.48 AC top FO 777 275.99
This was in one contract after the 10 year contract which was post FOS selection contract! Huge ground was made on this contract, I’m not sure why people don’t see it!

I think a lot of it comes down to real world buying power and taxation. 438.42 USD, is closer to 613 +/- in CAD. 424.60 for your average Captain who doesn't have some sort of tax shelter is being hammered at 53% + ex-spouses. When selling world class for US to CAD figures, and then settling for both on numbers only, it's an unexpected change of expectations, and buying powers nor cost of living equate. But an improvement is an improvement.

The hard part was the beat of the union, right up until accepting the TA - it was a very loud war cry, with the biggest release of hot gas happening without warning when the TA dropped. I think had they been more realistic and honest with the pilot group, and industry in general, likely they would've had less flak sent their way and more support.

In sports terms, this is called bailing, and it's usually mocked, as it is here, and will be for some time. I'm sure the senior AC guys are drying their tears with their maple scented money.

Posting big fat numbers at the top still doesn't address the absolute shortcomings of the start of ones career at AC, despite improvements, it still falls dramatically short of international standards, and keeps fairly level on all types for the first 5 years. It's too bad this was the sacrificial lamb, because this is where a lot of competition comes from and was needed in this industry to get the gears moving in the right direction. That said, I look forward to what will be addressed in 24-36 months as negotiations recommence.

Sad that an industry revolves around 1 or 2 contracts.

[Inverted2]

To the above post. It is true that your buying power is much higher and taxation is WAY lower down south. That’s not the airlines fault. That’s the fault of retarded idiots repeatedly voting for Lie-berals and commies (NDP).

[cdnavater]

To the above post. It is true that your buying power is much higher and taxation is WAY lower down south. That’s not the airlines fault. That’s the fault of retarded idiots repeatedly voting for Lie-berals and commies (NDP).

That’s the thing I don’t understand, where did this getting paid in US to CDN exchange in Canada come from, I seriously doubt the union ever said we’re going for Delta pay converted to CDN for you guys!

[cjp]

To the above post. It is true that your buying power is much higher and taxation is WAY lower down south. That’s not the airlines fault. That’s the fault of retarded idiots repeatedly voting for Lie-berals and commies (NDP).

That’s the thing I don’t understand, where did this getting paid in US to CDN exchange in Canada come from, I seriously doubt the union ever said we’re going for Delta pay converted to CDN for you guys!

That's what WCC stands for. World class. Contract. All one sentence, World class contract. Benchmarking and exceeding their value. To do that you convert to a singular currency.

Lanyards, posters, pickets. Dinners. Events. It wasn't Canadian class contract that was on those lanyards.

Twas heavily implied by the MEC they were going for the juggernaut of international contracts, which at present is one of three US majors.

[LandingLights]

Just stop referencing American salaries and negotiations on this forum, it’s absolutely useless.

This latest World clASS Contract proved we will never get anywhere close to there. Too many spineless metal chasers in this country.

Well, I don’t know what to tell you but Delta top scale 777 Captain is 438.42(Jan 24), AC 777 Captain 424.60(Sept 24), how much closer do you need to be to say it’s close?
Delta top 777 FO 299.48 AC top FO 777 275.99
This was in one contract after the 10 year contract which was post FOS selection contract! Huge ground was made on this contract, I’m not sure why people don’t see it!

Delta has exact same widebody group pay for their B764/A330/A350s. They have no B777 in their fleet (Although they did put a number in their contract, same pay). AC has different payscales for its B767/777/787/330, with the A330 being $43 lower per how.

Comparing the common fleet, AC's A330 is $381.06 CAD, Delta's A330 is $438.42 USD ($612 CAD).

Also, the majority of Delta's WB fleet is A330 (73 aircraft), with only 33 A350s in comparison.
Delta got a profit share of additional 10.3% in 2024. AC Profit share will be basically non-existent.

[ant_321]

Maybe Canadian airlines should join the teamsters instead of ALPA. Sounds like they can make stuff happen. I wonder if their MEC tried to sell this contract to them hard or if they threatened to step down if it was voted down.

[Stinky]

Maybe Canadian airlines should join the teamsters instead of ALPA. Sounds like they can make stuff happen. I wonder if their MEC tried to sell this contract to them hard or if they threatened to step down if it was voted down.

No contract has actually been proposed to Allegiant pilots. That was a company talking point to the media.

Teamsters has been a disaster for Allegiant pilots. They're currently under emergency trusteeship due to the previous leadership stealing almost a million dollars and failing to actually negotiate. The previous leadership is being charged. I think they are also on their fourth negotiating committee with no progress towards a contract in over a year. Currently more than three years without a contract.

[BTD]

The hard part was the beat of the union, right up until accepting the TA - it was a very loud war cry, with the biggest release of hot gas happening without warning when the TA dropped. I think had they been more realistic and honest with the pilot group, and industry in general, likely they would've had less flak sent their way and more support.

This is so naive. How emotional and idealistic do you have to be, not to realize that the messaging had to be to “shoot for the moon” to simply get what we got. If they had been more “realistic and honest” we would have an even more inferior contract. And the flak would have come regardless.

I don’t understand how anyone didn’t see this as a necessity. It was obvious. They union messaging sets the highest expectations so the company moves up their compromise point. That way when we agree to meet them, we come down to something that is at least somewhat tolerable. That’s not to say there aren’t issues. But this feeling butt hurt because the union messaging was what it needed to be to even get to this point is ridiculous.

Grow up.

[cdnavater]

The hard part was the beat of the union, right up until accepting the TA - it was a very loud war cry, with the biggest release of hot gas happening without warning when the TA dropped. I think had they been more realistic and honest with the pilot group, and industry in general, likely they would've had less flak sent their way and more support.

This is so naive. How emotional and idealistic do you have to be, not to realize that the messaging had to be to “shoot for the moon” to simply get what we got. If they had been more “realistic and honest” we would have an even more inferior contract. And the flak would have come regardless.

I don’t understand how anyone didn’t see this as a necessity. It was obvious. They union messaging sets the highest expectations so the company moves up their compromise point. That way when we agree to meet them, we come down to something that is at least somewhat tolerable. That’s not to say there aren’t issues. But this feeling butt hurt because the union messaging was what it needed to be to even get to this point is ridiculous.

Grow up.

I basically said the same thing, less eloquently but essentially you ask for 100, they offer zero and you end up at 50, the fact these loud idiots don’t understand that, is a function of not being around long enough to have seen it before.
I grew up in a union house, every 3 years was the same thing, rinse repeat. Workers ask for improvements, company says running of material to extract from the ground, workers settle somewhere in the middle, company miraculously finds new deposit, stock goes back up. 3 years later, exactly the same!

[cjp]

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