Grievance update for the 285ish former Jazz pilots affected by Flow

[CaptDukeNukem]

Delay tactics. Most who were affected already gone to AC, or elsewhere. Nothing will come to fruition. I doubt jazz will pay out pilots who are no longer on property. This whole thing is a waste of time in my opinion. What can be learnt here is how AC and jazz run their operation.

i wouldnt necessarily call it pointless, it might help those in the future when AC pulls the same stunt

Nothing will stop the red machine. They will always find a way.

[Nick678]

Delay tactics. Most who were affected already gone to AC, or elsewhere. Nothing will come to fruition. I doubt jazz will pay out pilots who are no longer on property. This whole thing is a waste of time in my opinion. What can be learnt here is how AC and jazz run their operation.

i wouldnt necessarily call it pointless, it might help those in the future when AC pulls the same stunt

Nothing will stop the red machine. They will always find a way.

The CIRB accepting the case is actually a strong indication that something will if fact come from this. The contract violations are clear and represent un-repairable harm done to all pilots at Jazz currently or that have left to come here. This was not grieved in the traditional way to get into AC pockets instead of Jazz's. Jazz Mec does think that a seniority solution is possible. I wouldn't be surprised by any outcome though.

[Flyboy736]

i wouldnt necessarily call it pointless, it might help those in the future when AC pulls the same stunt

Nothing will stop the red machine. They will always find a way.

The CIRB accepting the case is actually a strong indication that something will if fact come from this. The contract violations are clear and represent un-repairable harm done to all pilots at Jazz currently or that have left to come here. This was not grieved in the traditional way to get into AC pockets instead of Jazz's. Jazz Mec does think that a seniority solution is possible. I wouldn't be surprised by any outcome though.

It was such a strong case against management I can't see why the union wouldn't go after it to hold them responsible. "Gotta set the tone" so to speak for future violations. It's as important to ALPA as it is to those affected so I suspect we will eventually see something come out of it

[Flyboy736]

Nov 18 going to be the big day of settlement or do you think yet another pushback?

[Man_in_the_sky]

what are we really expecting as compensation...

[CaptDukeNukem]

what are we really expecting as compensation...

Lanyards. Green ones this time ‘round

[Man_in_the_sky]

im so confused in the lanyard to wear.. Habs lanyard for the win

[Nick678]

Nov 18 going to be the big day of settlement or do you think yet another pushback?

It’s just another “meeting” there’s still more steps to
go in the CIRB process. I have a bad feeling that the Jazz MEC will reach an agreement that screws over the folks off jazz property.

[Man_in_the_sky]

Nov 18 going to be the big day of settlement or do you think yet another pushback?

It’s just another “meeting” there’s still more steps to
go in the CIRB process. I have a bad feeling that the Jazz MEC will reach an agreement that screws over the folks off jazz property.

It’s a meeting with the cirb. This should be the final step. Can’t wait

[Flyboy736]

Nov 18 going to be the big day of settlement or do you think yet another pushback?

It’s just another “meeting” there’s still more steps to
go in the CIRB process. I have a bad feeling that the Jazz MEC will reach an agreement that screws over the folks off jazz property.

It’s a meeting with the cirb. This should be the final step. Can’t wait

CIRB Officer was satisfied progress was being made, and next meeting with the company is scheduled for Feb 2024

[Burgerdoor]

Can anyone confirm all the ~285 pilots have been notified yet? I was hired Q1 of 2023 from Jazz

[Man_in_the_sky]

Can anyone confirm all the ~285 pilots have been notified yet? I was hired Q1 of 2023 from Jazz

Claude doesn’t give a F about notifying ac pilots

He’s pushing for a bigger agenda that will affect his pockets.

[CaptDukeNukem]

Can anyone confirm all the ~285 pilots have been notified yet? I was hired Q1 of 2023 from Jazz

Claude doesn’t give a F about notifying ac pilots

He’s pushing for a bigger agenda that will affect his pockets.

Yup. Just another delay tactic until all 285 somehow retire in 40 years. Good luck getting anything out of this

[Nick678]

It’s just another “meeting” there’s still more steps to
go in the CIRB process. I have a bad feeling that the Jazz MEC will reach an agreement that screws over the folks off jazz property.

It’s a meeting with the cirb. This should be the final step. Can’t wait

CIRB Officer was satisfied progress was being made, and next meeting with the company is scheduled for Feb 2024

Do you when in Feb? and why this hasn't moved onto the next step in the CIRB process?

Can anyone confirm all the ~285 pilots have been notified yet? I was hired Q1 of 2023 from Jazz

Claude doesn’t give a F about notifying ac pilots

He’s pushing for a bigger agenda that will affect his pockets.

Yup. Just another delay tactic until all 285 somehow retire in 40 years. Good luck getting anything out of this

[cdnavater]

It’s a meeting with the cirb. This should be the final step. Can’t wait

CIRB Officer was satisfied progress was being made, and next meeting with the company is scheduled for Feb 2024

Do you when in Feb? and why this hasn't moved onto the next step in the CIRB process?

Claude doesn’t give a F about notifying ac pilots

He’s pushing for a bigger agenda that will affect his pockets.

Yup. Just another delay tactic until all 285 somehow retire in 40 years. Good luck getting anything out of this

As for when in Feb, I don’t believe any of the announcements have said but as to the why, it literally says in what you quoted, the CIRB officer was satisfied that progress was being made, the parties have been meeting to try and negotiate something. Hopefully when Feb comes, it’s not another “progress being made” situation. Hopefully Feb or sooner they announce an agreement has been reached!

[crystalpizza]

It’s a meeting with the cirb. This should be the final step. Can’t wait

CIRB Officer was satisfied progress was being made, and next meeting with the company is scheduled for Feb 2024

Do you when in Feb? and why this hasn't moved onto the next step in the CIRB process?

Claude doesn’t give a F about notifying ac pilots

He’s pushing for a bigger agenda that will affect his pockets.

Yup. Just another delay tactic until all 285 somehow retire in 40 years. Good luck getting anything out of this

The email stated "early February 2025". It will move to the next step in the process when the CIRB is no longer satisfied with the "progress", whatever that means, remains to be seen.

[Nick678]

CIRB Officer was satisfied progress was being made, and next meeting with the company is scheduled for Feb 2024

Do you when in Feb? and why this hasn't moved onto the next step in the CIRB process?

Yup. Just another delay tactic until all 285 somehow retire in 40 years. Good luck getting anything out of this

The email stated "early February 2025". It will move to the next step in the process when the CIRB is no longer satisfied with the "progress", whatever that means, remains to be seen.

I have a tough time believing that AC is there negotiating in good faith after they whipped their ass with Jazz's collective agreement in the first place.

[Man_in_the_sky]

So…

Is there a date?

What’s the latest rumour. Haven’t heard a rumour since I woke up.

[cdnavater]

Update;

“ULP Progress and Next Steps

The MEC held closed session discussions on the Unfair Labour Practice (ULP) and associated four-party discussions. The MEC continues to explore all avenues and contingencies for resolution. We understand that this matter is important to members, past and present, and that everyone is seeking information and progress. This continues to be the highest priority for the MEC. Thank you for your patience while we navigate this sensitive and complex file to achieve the best possible resolution for individuals and the Air Canada network as a whole.

As previously communicated on November 20, 2024, we will provide an update no later than the end of February.”

The other interesting comment was the new MEC Treasurer and his experience in bankruptcy, mergers and litigation being an asset for the ULP process

[Man_in_the_sky]

Litigation experience is surely an asset in a dispute situation

[tango308]

Can someone share what that update due for the end of February was?

Thanks

[swervin]

Today’s update.

Unfair Labour Practice – UPDATE
March 2025

Fellow Pilots,

Over the past several months, as part of our work in processing our unfair labour practice complaint (ULP), the JAZ MEC developed a framework for resolution. That framework was comprehensive and designed to resolve all issues in the ULP. It also addressed the underlying systemic factors that gave rise to the complaint in the first place – providing a benefit to all four parties (Jazz, Air Canada, JAZ MEC and ACA MEC).

In our last ULP update we advised that two days of mediation at the CIRB were scheduled for March. After the first day, it unfortunately became clear that further mediation was unlikely to yield a resolution at this time. Certain elements of our comprehensive proposal require the ACA MEC to engage meaningfully in discussions towards a solution. It was our hope that we would be able to reach a solution collaboratively without relying on further litigation. However, to date the ACA MEC has been hesitant to take any position on our proposed framework. This is especially regrettable given that over six hundred of the pilots harmed by the actions which led to the ULP are Air Canada pilots.

As a result, the JAZ MEC requested that the second mediation day be converted to a Case Management Meeting to determine next steps in the processing of the ULP. Unfortunately, the necessary Board member was not available for this purpose. We are awaiting confirmation of Case Management dates from the CIRB.

As an aside, we understand that the ACA MEC has now retained external legal counsel and will be filing a request to intervene in our ULP.

We remain willing to work with Jazz, Air Canada and the ACA MEC to reach a solution collaboratively rather than relying on further litigation.

We will update the pilot group once we have dates from the CIRB and/or more information to provide.

In solidarity,
JAZ MEC

[1759]

What a waste of time and Union Dues.

[truedude]

What a waste of time and Union Dues.

Not at all. If ACA hired outside legal staff, it means something is coming that they don't like. It means Jazz's case is damn strong!

[1759]

Yeah the case is strong, time to flush it. CB will never be able to win it.