The Air Canada OTS thread

[goingnowherefast]

Yikes!
Could end up on strike during the PIT course, oh well as I understand it, it is a raise for year one while on strike pay!

New hires attending training is not considered struck work - if the training continues through a strike then they'll be obliged to continue attending. Only once they have finished their first line check (unlikely the strike would still be on by the time the Sept class reaches this stage) are they required to walk.

Are you sure about that? All Air Canada pilot work would be struck work. Training sure sounds like work to me. I wouldn't cross that line based on what I read on avcanada. Talk to your base rep.

Would any of the trainers be there? Even if the trainees are required to be there, isn't much help if the trainer is at the picket line

[cdnavater]

Yikes!
Could end up on strike during the PIT course, oh well as I understand it, it is a raise for year one while on strike pay!

New hires attending training is not considered struck work - if the training continues through a strike then they'll be obliged to continue attending. Only once they have finished their first line check (unlikely the strike would still be on by the time the Sept class reaches this stage) are they required to walk.

Are you sure about that? All Air Canada pilot work would be struck work. Training sure sounds like work to me. I wouldn't cross that line based on what I read on avcanada. Talk to your base rep.

At Jazz, in the past training pilots were considered managers, I don’t believe this is still the case but I wonder if training pilots are “managers” at AC?
Otherwise, trainees without trainers is pointless, so I still think a new hire could end up on strike, give em hell boys and girls, it’s time they pay for all the shit they’ve pulled over the years!

[crystalpizza]

Yikes!
Could end up on strike during the PIT course, oh well as I understand it, it is a raise for year one while on strike pay!

New hires attending training is not considered struck work - if the training continues through a strike then they'll be obliged to continue attending. Only once they have finished their first line check (unlikely the strike would still be on by the time the Sept class reaches this stage) are they required to walk.

Are you sure about that? All Air Canada pilot work would be struck work. Training sure sounds like work to me. I wouldn't cross that line based on what I read on avcanada. Talk to your base rep.

Yes. New hires in training are exempt according to the official ACA Strike Vote FAQ we were sent when the vote opened, point #15.

That being said, training pilots are forbidden from providing training to any pilots during strike and are considered to be crossing the picket line if they do so.

[altiplano]

Good pick up.

It does also say (among other things):

Once a strike has been called by the MEC, no Air Canada pilot may:

- Operate or occupy in any capacity, any aircraft owned, leased by, or in the service of Air Canada

- Participate in any ground, flight, or simulator training for any purpose either as student or instructor.

So a little contradictory, are new hires Air Canada pilots or not? But initial hires are in a vulnerable position so I suppose it makes sense if assigned training you may report (should, not shall).

It's probably moot though as I don't think there's going to be any instructors in the sim, IOE guys on the line, or CPs offering checks anyway...

I expect to see AC retiree contract sim guys respect the line also... wine be much going on...

[goingnowherefast]

Contract sim guys will probably show up to get paid knowing full well that the trainees won't be there. 10 minutes of work, full pay. Why not?

In the off chance both trainees are scabs, give them an ear full and disappear.

[a2btrail]

Lots going on AC these days .... an update for those who care. AC is back to running 2 ground schools a month as of last month till the end of this year.

Aug 7th PIT - Class size: 28
Aug 28th PIT - Class size: 12

Latest hire class that is currently on course Sep 4th - Class size 12.

Of course a second course for Sept is on pause due to the current environment.

[CaptDukeNukem]

Lots going on AC these days .... an update for those who care. AC is back to running 2 ground schools a month as of last month till the end of this year.

Aug 7th PIT - Class size: 28
Aug 28th PIT - Class size: 12

Latest hire class that is currently on course Sep 4th - Class size 12.

Of course a second course for Sept is on pause due to the current environment.

Are these PIT trainees wearing their lanyards during training? Cuz they should be.

[Jfthepilot]

Of course a second course for Sept is on pause due to the current environment.

PIT starting September 23rd got delayed a few weeks ago to September 30th. It’s still a go AFAIK

[pipedream?]

October 30th class has been scheduled too

[beefcheese]

Lots going on AC these days .... an update for those who care. AC is back to running 2 ground schools a month as of last month till the end of this year.

Aug 7th PIT - Class size: 28
Aug 28th PIT - Class size: 12

Latest hire class that is currently on course Sep 4th - Class size 12.

Of course a second course for Sept is on pause due to the current environment.

Are these PIT trainees wearing their lanyards during training? Cuz they should be.

The August 7th class of 28 pilots were all rocking the lanyard. Can't say the same about the 28th class... Only one guy had it on.

[8895]

Even as the 11th hour approaches, we still have people asking about class dates and wanting to sell themselves out to this company lmfao and we wonder why the flag carrier has been an anchor for wages in this country. If people wouldn’t be selfish and just hold off on applying for poverty wages then maybe management wouldn’t have their way with you.

I sincerely hope wages get a huge boost when the dust settles on all this, but my god it’s hilarious to see. If the company can fill classes even with an impending strike why would they bother giving into ALPA’s wage demands.

[CaptDukeNukem]

Lots going on AC these days .... an update for those who care. AC is back to running 2 ground schools a month as of last month till the end of this year.

Aug 7th PIT - Class size: 28
Aug 28th PIT - Class size: 12

Latest hire class that is currently on course Sep 4th - Class size 12.

Of course a second course for Sept is on pause due to the current environment.

Are these PIT trainees wearing their lanyards during training? Cuz they should be.

The August 7th class of 28 pilots were all rocking the lanyard. Can't say the same about the 28th class... Only one guy had it on.

That ONE guy should be given an award from ALPA.

[kiaszceski]

Back to what's important.

Who's in the Jan 15th GS?

[IndianJones]

Congratulations to those joining in Jan.
May I ask when did you apply and how long did it take for you to hear back?

[Jean-Pierre]

The latest bid indicates hiring will basically stop.

[Babar350]

The latest bid indicates hiring will basically stop.

Interesting. I thought AC had plans to open new destinations with the XLR and other destinations for the 787 and the 330 successor? How do they plan to crew the planes?

[PostmasterGeneral]

The latest bid indicates hiring will basically stop.

Interesting. I thought AC had plans to open new destinations with the XLR and other destinations for the 787 and the 330 successor? How do they plan to crew the planes?

Those planes aren't showing up now until well into 2026. This was a super flat bid.

[rudder]

The latest bid indicates hiring will basically stop.

Interesting. I thought AC had plans to open new destinations with the XLR and other destinations for the 787 and the 330 successor? How do they plan to crew the planes?

Those planes aren't showing up now until well into 2026. This was a super flat bid.

2025 fleet changes show +3 WB and +18 NB.

Page 14 Q3 2024 MD&A.

[cdnavater]

It’s interesting that they are supposedly flying the same or very close to the same block hours as 2019 but about 1200 more pilots than back then!
With only 250 “vacancies” looking out 12 months, how do they get to the 6500 pilots, wasn’t that supposed to be by the end of 2025?

[Flyboy736]

It’s interesting that they are supposedly flying the same or very close to the same block hours as 2019 but about 1200 more pilots than back then!

That's because new fatigue rules got implemented between 2019 and today