Plans after merger?

[Canadianpilot2024]

After the sunwing merger through most of 2025, whats next on the horizon for WJ?

42 max 10’s on order… are the 700’s getting retired?

When does your current contract expire? When can you expect a new deal? Hard to expect much more gains when you can’t really leap frog off ac with their current deal.

Is Alexis on his way out?

Any growth plans on the horizon?

[MaxAuto]

Business as usual. WestJet will be WestJet. 9 aircraft coming from Lynx, 18 from Sunwing, and 11 new from Boeing in 2024. The dust will settle towards the fall of 2025 and maybe there will be talk of more wide bodies since it's doing well out of YYC.

[Canadaflyer46]

Very little growth I suspect. The company is constantly asked at town halls “how many lease returns as new aircraft arrive, how much actual growth?”. They refuse to answer. If there was indeed actual fleet growth, you can bet they’d be singing from the rooftops about it. Their silence speaks volumes.
No plans to expand the widebody fleet, in actual fact the number of widebody pilots shrinks on every bid as captains turn 65 and come back to the 737, and 787 FOs return to the 737 as captains. It is common knowledge our current executives did not want the widebodies, likely still don’t despite their success, and continue to refer to WJ as a “leisure carrier”.

[Oleo 4]

Private company - no requirement or reason to show cards before being delt. If you believe otherwise I would like to invite you to a weekly poker game!

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[cdnavater]

Private company - no requirement or reason to show cards before being delt. If you believe otherwise I would like to invite you to a weekly poker game!

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No reason! How about company morale, it’s not like AC is going to make their fleet plans based on what WJ management told the pilots at a meeting

[nohojob]

No but pilots could change career plans after what it said to a meeting.
Like quitting for greener pasture...

[dontcallmeshirley]

They are preparing for an IPO. They'll @#$! as many people as they need to in order to make an extra 72 cents.

[Me262]

Very little growth I suspect. The company is constantly asked at town halls “how many lease returns as new aircraft arrive, how much actual growth?”. They refuse to answer. If there was indeed actual fleet growth, you can bet they’d be singing from the rooftops about it. Their silence speaks volumes.
No plans to expand the widebody fleet, in actual fact the number of widebody pilots shrinks on every bid as captains turn 65 and come back to the 737, and 787 FOs return to the 737 as captains. It is common knowledge our current executives did not want the widebodies, likely still don’t despite their success, and continue to refer to WJ as a “leisure carrier”.

Why wouldn't the 87 FOs upgrade to the left seat instead of following the 65s to the 37? Doesn't make sense. Are they planning to sell the 87s?

[MaxAuto]

Very little growth I suspect. The company is constantly asked at town halls “how many lease returns as new aircraft arrive, how much actual growth?”. They refuse to answer. If there was indeed actual fleet growth, you can bet they’d be singing from the rooftops about it. Their silence speaks volumes.
No plans to expand the widebody fleet, in actual fact the number of widebody pilots shrinks on every bid as captains turn 65 and come back to the 737, and 787 FOs return to the 737 as captains. It is common knowledge our current executives did not want the widebodies, likely still don’t despite their success, and continue to refer to WJ as a “leisure carrier”.

Why wouldn't the 87 FOs upgrade to the left seat instead of following the 65s to the 37? Doesn't make sense. Are they planning to sell the 87s?

The poster is talking about 65+ year old 787 FOs going left seat on the 737 to fly domestic because they can no longer fly international

[Me262]

Very little growth I suspect. The company is constantly asked at town halls “how many lease returns as new aircraft arrive, how much actual growth?”. They refuse to answer. If there was indeed actual fleet growth, you can bet they’d be singing from the rooftops about it. Their silence speaks volumes.
No plans to expand the widebody fleet, in actual fact the number of widebody pilots shrinks on every bid as captains turn 65 and come back to the 737, and 787 FOs return to the 737 as captains. It is common knowledge our current executives did not want the widebodies, likely still don’t despite their success, and continue to refer to WJ as a “leisure carrier”.

Why wouldn't the 87 FOs upgrade to the left seat instead of following the 65s to the 37? Doesn't make sense. Are they planning to sell the 87s?

The poster is talking about 65+ year old 787 FOs going left seat on the 737 to fly domestic because they can no longer fly international

as captains turn 65 and come back to the 737

He also said 65YO 78 CA going back to 37

[ozone]

From the horses mouth…

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[goingnowherefast]

So it's the employee's fault there were service disruptions?
Spoken like a true leader. Deflect and blame, but never take responsibility for what happens under his leadership.

[Turboprops]

Very little growth I suspect. The company is constantly asked at town halls “how many lease returns as new aircraft arrive, how much actual growth?”. They refuse to answer. If there was indeed actual fleet growth, you can bet they’d be singing from the rooftops about it. Their silence speaks volumes.
No plans to expand the widebody fleet, in actual fact the number of widebody pilots shrinks on every bid as captains turn 65 and come back to the 737, and 787 FOs return to the 737 as captains. It is common knowledge our current executives did not want the widebodies, likely still don’t despite their success, and continue to refer to WJ as a “leisure carrier”.

Why wouldn't the 87 FOs upgrade to the left seat instead of following the 65s to the 37? Doesn't make sense. Are they planning to sell the 87s?

You need 20+ years to hold left seat on the 787, “only” 10+ years to hold 737 CA. 737 CA pays considerably more than 787 FO

[co-joe]

Very little growth I suspect. The company is constantly asked at town halls “how many lease returns as new aircraft arrive, how much actual growth?”. They refuse to answer. If there was indeed actual fleet growth, you can bet they’d be singing from the rooftops about it. Their silence speaks volumes.
No plans to expand the widebody fleet, in actual fact the number of widebody pilots shrinks on every bid as captains turn 65 and come back to the 737, and 787 FOs return to the 737 as captains. It is common knowledge our current executives did not want the widebodies, likely still don’t despite their success, and continue to refer to WJ as a “leisure carrier”.

Why wouldn't the 87 FOs upgrade to the left seat instead of following the 65s to the 37? Doesn't make sense. Are they planning to sell the 87s?

You need 20+ years to hold left seat on the 787, “only” 10+ years to hold 737 CA. 737 CA pays considerably more than 787 FO

My understanding is that around the time a YYC FO has the option to upgrade on the 737 and commute to YYZ, some of them also have the option if they're lucky to go right seat on the 787 in YYC for a pay bump, and after a couple years of that, they can hold 737 left seat YYC. They leave some money on the table but maintain a better lifestyle throughout the process and gain widebody experience along the way.

[JBI]

Why wouldn't the 87 FOs upgrade to the left seat instead of following the 65s to the 37? Doesn't make sense. Are they planning to sell the 87s?

You need 20+ years to hold left seat on the 787, “only” 10+ years to hold 737 CA. 737 CA pays considerably more than 787 FO

My understanding is that around the time a YYC FO has the option to upgrade on the 737 and commute to YYZ, some of them also have the option if they're lucky to go right seat on the 787 in YYC for a pay bump, and after a couple years of that, they can hold 737 left seat YYC. They leave some money on the table but maintain a better lifestyle throughout the process and gain widebody experience along the way.

Correct. Around 85% of current 787 FOs could hold a Captain position in a different base. 50% could hold YYC 737 Captain, 15% could hold YYC Captain with no reserve.

[daedalusx]

Most of the western based commuters would probably rather get the 787 FO as a block holder than either commute east or be a YYC 737ca on rsv. Top scale 787FO pay ain’t bad either and will increase to at least match AC’s rate.