Flat bid for Decemeber

[Canadianpilot2024]

Flat bid for December after months without a bid.

I thought the reason why the last bid was flat was because of alpa negots.

Is excuse for this one being flat because of the upcoming fa negots (kidding)

Can we expect a massive shift in February? Why?

Has the mass hiring phase come to an unofficial end?

I know there’s lots of planes on order but when can realistically see those planes come in en masse.

Are PIT classes full again?

[pipedream?]

Does seem odd when they say they’re hiring for 500 pilots in 2025 but this bid was only 280 yyz vacancies. Slow aircraft deliveries maybe.

[altiplano]

It's because they think they are limiting movement and courses running it like this.

They think they can control where guys go. The result is that they trigger more movement and a reshuffling every bid.

So really it's just that they just don't know what they're doing.

[30westpirate]

The company isn’t replacing the retiring pilots on the bid, this is not the normal practice. Fairly low DBMs on the WBs, along with a massive reserve coverage (52-787 captains YYZ) seems like their at or over capacity on the WB side.

The loads haven’t been stellar either. Not a good sign.

[Jean-Pierre]

The Canadian economy is in shambles.

[Canadianpilot2024]

How many planes do we have firm orders on? 28 according to the last alpa slideshow?

How many do other airlines have in canada?

Is hiring going to slow again? Potentially cancel pit classes?

I keep hearing experienced guys are getting pfo’d. Only jazz guys are being hired until 2025. Doesn’t seem to be a hiring issue?

Company waiting for a spring election before any big moves?

[LongBranch]

How many planes do we have firm orders on? 28 according to the last alpa slideshow?

How many do other airlines have in canada?

Is hiring going to slow again? Potentially cancel pit classes?

I keep hearing experienced guys are getting pfo’d. Only jazz guys are being hired until 2025. Doesn’t seem to be a hiring issue?

Company waiting for a spring election before any big moves?

That does not make any sense, could it be the company is just slowing down hiring somewhat because the aircraft order are getting delayed. There bringing back the 67 and extending the service life of the 330, you think companies just throw money at tails like that for shit and giggles? Look at the most recent bid show me where they need fo on wide body tails....

[30westpirate]

Bending to the will of the FA group finally catching up to AC. Consistent low ranking over the years, the common denominator being the onboard service. The FA group fought hard to get rid of the OBSM program, no surprises when they had the Casablanca incident.

The only thing AC has working in its favour is Aeroplan and its monopoly on international routes. If Porter can replicate its service with WBs it would eat AC’s lunch every day.

[Jean-Pierre]

you think companies just throw money at tails like that for shit and giggles?

This one do.

[Canadianpilot2024]

5201 active pilots
5483 required
5496 from the previous bid required

282 pilots required in the next year, so 24 new hires per month?

Guess we’ll hit 6000 Dec 2026? Or when planes start coming in?

[Flyboy736]

5201 active pilots
5483 required
5496 from the previous bid required

282 pilots required in the next year, so 24 new hires per month?

Guess we’ll hit 6000 Dec 2026? Or when planes start coming in?

Just wait until the February bid when suddenly there is massive growth that appears out of 'nowhere'

In theory bids look 12 months out but 13 new 737 and barely any expansion in the last year? Yeah something isn't right

[30westpirate]

5201 active pilots
5483 required
5496 from the previous bid required

282 pilots required in the next year, so 24 new hires per month?

Guess we’ll hit 6000 Dec 2026? Or when planes start coming in?

24-01 showed 5517 required.

[MD11]

Does this mean YYZ base and NB only for the new hires for the foreseeable future?

[flying4dollars]

Bulk of the 321XLR and 787-10 have been delayed to Q1 2026. My bet is the bid was flat as a result of this. Remember these bids are forward looking 1 year. Factor in the MAXs going to Rouge, which likely means 220's to YVR means there WILL be a robust bid coming. Speaking with trainers who are privy'd to the fleet meetings and the information they get seems to align with this.

Time will tell. I'm just as deflated as many of you since I'm now a commuter until I can get back home. However, I did not think I would get back on this bid given the above info. I wasn't wrong. Hopefully I won't be come 25-01.

[rudder]

2 767F headed for Ethiopian.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/air-cana ... -ZjsPQBjs9

[rudder]

https://filecache.investorroom.com/mr5i ... 202024.pdf

Take a look at pages 59/67/69-71. Largely NB focused. Projects out to 2028.

Presentation makes reference to options such as parking or extending the service life of 319 fleet and future NB fleet renewal.

The firm numbers appear to be 25 321XLR, 70 220’s and 53 737MAX (Rouge).

[Hysteria]

Has the A220 engine related issues been mostly rectified, and is there a supply issue regarding engine parts?

[CaptDukeNukem]

Has the A220 engine related issues been mostly rectified, and is there a supply issue regarding engine parts?

No. Engines still fubar. At all airlines with the GTF

[MD11]

Any word on latest equipment bids for Feb and beyond?

[flying4dollars]

Any word on latest equipment bids for Feb and beyond?

My guess, Feb will be a bit more exciting than the past several, and April-June (whenever 25-03 comes out) will be big. Just a gut feeling, but my guess is as good as anyone's

[30westpirate]

Hopefully there are no further delays for 787-10 and XLR orders. If we’re schedule to receive them starting Q1 2026 then Feb bid or 25-02 should have some of those positions.

New seniority numbers just came out, nothing too drastic. Averaging around a 100 retirees a year.

[yowflyer23]

Hopefully there are no further delays for 787-10 and XLR orders. If we’re schedule to receive them starting Q1 2026 then Feb bid or 25-02 should have some of those positions.

New seniority numbers just came out, nothing too drastic. Averaging around a 100 retirees a year.

Will the XLR be a separate position or part of the common A320 fleet? If the latter, which base will get the ETOPS training?

[crystalpizza]

Hopefully there are no further delays for 787-10 and XLR orders. If we’re schedule to receive them starting Q1 2026 then Feb bid or 25-02 should have some of those positions.

New seniority numbers just came out, nothing too drastic. Averaging around a 100 retirees a year.

Will the XLR be a separate position or part of the common A320 fleet? If the latter, which base will get the ETOPS training?

Common fleet, all mainline 320 bases will be ETOPSed and qualified on all variants.

[Blueontop]

Any word on latest equipment bids for Feb and beyond?

My guess, Feb will be a bit more exciting than the past several, and April-June (whenever 25-03 comes out) will be big. Just a gut feeling, but my guess is as good as anyone's

December was supposed to be the MOABs lol

[jpilot77]

Hopefully there are no further delays for 787-10 and XLR orders. If we’re schedule to receive them starting Q1 2026 then Feb bid or 25-02 should have some of those positions.

New seniority numbers just came out, nothing too drastic. Averaging around a 100 retirees a year.

Will the XLR be a separate position or part of the common A320 fleet? If the latter, which base will get the ETOPS training?

Common fleet, all mainline 320 bases will be ETOPSed and qualified on all variants.

All bases will be qualified on all variants as they are now but I doubt all bases will be ETOPS. Hard to keep a big base like YYZ ETOPS qualified when so little of the 320 base’s flying will be ETOPS.