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Repositioning time off

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Under 703 operations is there a requirement to have at least 10 hours off if taking a flight to your base of operations prior to starting a rotation the next day?
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Btpower71 wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 6:47 pm Under 703 operations is there a requirement to have at least 10 hours off if taking a flight to your base of operations prior to starting a rotation the next day?
If you make your own booking, you are a commuter, if the company makes the booking, it’s a deadhead and considered part of your duty time and would require rest before starting.
If you’re working for Keewatin, that’s exactly what they used to do, make you book your own flight so you could start immediately and still do your 15 hour duty!
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Re: Repositioning time off

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They book the flights now and require us to fly into YWG or YOW 2 days prior to our rotation starting because of sked flight times for YTH or YFB
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Btpower71 wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 9:32 am They book the flights now and require us to fly into YWG or YOW 2 days prior to our rotation starting because of sked flight times for YTH or YFB
So, based on that Transport Canada considers that a DH, therefore flight duty time, should be tracked and would require rest before your next duty. The problem is, some of these companies don’t like pilots who disturb their violations and unless you are a Captain trying to enforce this might find you unemployed, be warned.
The other option is the whistleblower line, talked to T.C and see if they agree with what I’ve said and then anonymously ask them to investigate, the reality is, t(e company only needs to have you book you awn flight and then you become a commuter anyway.
Are you saying they are sending you to base without enough time to reset your duty period or was your DH flight late and that is what caused the short rest?
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Re: Repositioning time off

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cdnavater wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 9:44 am
Btpower71 wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 9:32 am They book the flights now and require us to fly into YWG or YOW 2 days prior to our rotation starting because of sked flight times for YTH or YFB
So, based on that Transport Canada considers that a DH, therefore flight duty time, should be tracked and would require rest before your next duty. The problem is, some of these companies don’t like pilots who disturb their violations and unless you are a Captain trying to enforce this might find you unemployed, be warned.
The other option is the whistleblower line, talked to T.C and see if they agree with what I’ve said and then anonymously ask them to investigate, the reality is, t(e company only needs to have you book you awn flight and then you become a commuter anyway.
Are you saying they are sending you to base without enough time to reset your duty period or was your DH flight late and that is what caused the short rest?
Sounds like they fly in two days prior and get the appropriate rest.
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Re: Repositioning time off

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CaptDukeNukem wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2025 8:44 am
cdnavater wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 9:44 am
Btpower71 wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 9:32 am They book the flights now and require us to fly into YWG or YOW 2 days prior to our rotation starting because of sked flight times for YTH or YFB
So, based on that Transport Canada considers that a DH, therefore flight duty time, should be tracked and would require rest before your next duty. The problem is, some of these companies don’t like pilots who disturb their violations and unless you are a Captain trying to enforce this might find you unemployed, be warned.
The other option is the whistleblower line, talked to T.C and see if they agree with what I’ve said and then anonymously ask them to investigate, the reality is, t(e company only needs to have you book you awn flight and then you become a commuter anyway.
Are you saying they are sending you to base without enough time to reset your duty period or was your DH flight late and that is what caused the short rest?
Sounds like they fly in two days prior and get the appropriate rest.
I think I misunderstood the original question, might be asking about rest prior to the DH.
If that’s the case it becomes a little less clear, you can extend your duty for DH and then extend your rest by the amount your duty went past the 15 hours(703), which I would think two days would be sufficient. That sucks though, given you are now using two days of your days off at base instead of home.
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cdnavater wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 9:44 am then anonymously ask them to investigate
Unless this changed recently, this likely won't do anything. TC requires your real name and contact info before doing anything. They promise they'll keep that information confidential of course. But an anonymous phone call or email will likely have zero effect.
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