Anyone else having a tough time getting hired?

[cdnavater]

they can work 2 jobs and buy a home in shithole lake. The social contract was yanked from under them.

Nope, their employer likely tries to illegally prohibit thar so they are all 'fully committed' to their one employer.

Ok, I’ll bite, how does an employer “illegally prohibit” someone from getting a second job?

[digits_]

they can work 2 jobs and buy a home in shithole lake. The social contract was yanked from under them.

Nope, their employer likely tries to illegally prohibit thar so they are all 'fully committed' to their one employer.

Ok, I’ll bite, how does an employer “illegally prohibit” someone from getting a second job?

I've seen it where an employment contract doesn't specify anything and then a company policy document needs to be signed later prohibiting second jobs in any sector. Research seems to indicate that's likely not legal, but it is an attempt to intimidate employees.

I haven't encountered this in aviation by the way, but it seemed relevant to the more general discussion going on.

[cdnavater]

Nope, their employer likely tries to illegally prohibit thar so they are all 'fully committed' to their one employer.

Ok, I’ll bite, how does an employer “illegally prohibit” someone from getting a second job?

I've seen it where an employment contract doesn't specify anything and then a company policy document needs to be signed later prohibiting second jobs in any sector. Research seems to indicate that's likely not legal, but it is an attempt to intimidate employees.

I haven't encountered this in aviation by the way, but it seemed relevant to the more general discussion going on.

Weird. I’ve been in this industry since 1990, never once have I been prohibited from getting a second job, the only thing ever restricting was the ability to work for a competitor doing the same job, that always seemed reasonable.
I have a friend who flys the same aircraft but for a charter operator and the company is fine with it, different scope of work.

[daedalusx]

Most young guys in YZF had a second job… Some would sling bags for WestJet or Can North to get standby passes. The guys that had their trucking license would work for Shell. Lots of side gigs: accounting, photography, IT, etc. Keeps you relatively sober during winter.
Idle hands are the devil’s workshop.

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It’s funny how IT and pilots are roped together. I always thought it was nerdville. Now it’s confirmed. Road trip…..with google maps and herschel toque of course, maybe instagram lol!

[pjc10]

Was pretty much in your shoes last year. I did the drive across the country (20k km total) last year starting from BC in May/June. Landed a dock hand for the summer wayyy northern Ontario. Got really lucky with a flying job, but had a first intro from an old pilot and chased them every month till I got in the door.

For you, seasonally speaking, right now get on the phone and email every float op out there and you can probably secure something for summer target the places that have a 182 you might get some flying hours. If they only have otters/beavers etc, they need more hours. If you have any manual labour skills/trades highlight that, you're gonna be more than a pilot/dock hand lol.

From doing the drive, the job markets shifting... chief pilots said the year before (2023) they were desperate for any applications, last year (2024) they had a couple options to choose from. I assume that trend will continue to shift?

Get in your car with all your stuff packed and bang on doors till someone gives you a job. Chief Pilots email inboxes are bursting... go shake their hand, give them a resume. Most CPs are older got their first job that way, so adds a bit of kudos to your application doing it 'old school'.

[Dry Guy]

Enjoy Sandy Lake! You'll have a blast.

[Meatservo]

Meanwhile in Europe, the majority will get hired on 737 and 320 with only 100PIC. With a much more diverse and busy airspace. And the news aren't flooded with crashes due to "lack of experience" of these entitled FOs. But yes, do a road trip, go paint some fences, make Buffalo Joe happy. The Canadian way.

Yeah, but have you ever tried to get a European license? It’s not a matter of memorizing the answers to a short multiple-choice quiz like it is here. It’s an actual accomplishment.

[Me262]

Meanwhile in Europe, the majority will get hired on 737 and 320 with only 100PIC. With a much more diverse and busy airspace. And the news aren't flooded with crashes due to "lack of experience" of these entitled FOs. But yes, do a road trip, go paint some fences, make Buffalo Joe happy. The Canadian way.

Yeah, but have you ever tried to get a European license? It’s not a matter of memorizing the answers to a short multiple-choice quiz like it is here. It’s an actual accomplishment.

I know. I'm in the process. 13 exams of fun.

[daedalusx]

Meanwhile in Europe, the majority will get hired on 737 and 320 with only 100PIC. With a much more diverse and busy airspace. And the news aren't flooded with crashes due to "lack of experience" of these entitled FOs. But yes, do a road trip, go paint some fences, make Buffalo Joe happy. The Canadian way.

Yeah, but have you ever tried to get a European license? It’s not a matter of memorizing the answers to a short multiple-choice quiz like it is here. It’s an actual accomplishment.

I disagree. It’s one exam at a time. You study one pass one, get on to the next. Tons of exams question banks available online.
It’s not that hard just a longer time investment but then again, Canadian Atpl exams also are a joke. Let’s not kid ourselves here, this is not a bar exam or quantum physics. If you can read, write and have high school algebra level math, you can get an ATPL.

[cdnavater]

Meanwhile in Europe, the majority will get hired on 737 and 320 with only 100PIC. With a much more diverse and busy airspace. And the news aren't flooded with crashes due to "lack of experience" of these entitled FOs. But yes, do a road trip, go paint some fences, make Buffalo Joe happy. The Canadian way.

Yeah, but have you ever tried to get a European license? It’s not a matter of memorizing the answers to a short multiple-choice quiz like it is here. It’s an actual accomplishment.

I know. I'm in the process. 13 exams of fun.

Let us know how the left seat of the airbus is at 1500 hours, curious to know, also what airlines that actually does put a bare ATPL in the left seat of an Airbus or 737, would like to avoid them!

[pelmet]

Meanwhile in Europe, the majority will get hired on 737 and 320 with only 100PIC. With a much more diverse and busy airspace. And the news aren't flooded with crashes due to "lack of experience" of these entitled FOs. But yes, do a road trip, go paint some fences, make Buffalo Joe happy. The Canadian way.

Yeah, but have you ever tried to get a European license? It’s not a matter of memorizing the answers to a short multiple-choice quiz like it is here. It’s an actual accomplishment.

Apparently, loads if questions are useless knowledge like measurement of paint markings on runways, size of registration letters and totally bizarre questions on the human performance exam. Sound like accomplishing a lot of wasted time.

[yowflyer23]

Yeah, but have you ever tried to get a European license? It’s not a matter of memorizing the answers to a short multiple-choice quiz like it is here. It’s an actual accomplishment.

I know. I'm in the process. 13 exams of fun.

Let us know how the left seat of the airbus is at 1500 hours, curious to know, also what airlines that actually does put a bare ATPL in the left seat of an Airbus or 737, would like to avoid them!

Not a whole lot of difference between a 737 and an RJ or E175. Jazz will upgrade you at 1500 hours. Might want to avoid deadheading on your own airline...

[cdnavater]

I know. I'm in the process. 13 exams of fun.

Let us know how the left seat of the airbus is at 1500 hours, curious to know, also what airlines that actually does put a bare ATPL in the left seat of an Airbus or 737, would like to avoid them!

Not a whole lot of difference between a 737 and an RJ or E175. Jazz will upgrade you at 1500 hours. Might want to avoid deadheading on your own airline...

I have been vocal about this and my comment was directed at Me262 for that very reason, I would say very few if any bare ATPL have been successful for the upgrade on those types, no idea about the Q.
I personally feel it should be a matrix of PIC and time on type but still 3000 TT minimum, I’m not happy about the situation for what ever that is worth!

[Me262]

Meanwhile in Europe, the majority will get hired on 737 and 320 with only 100PIC. With a much more diverse and busy airspace. And the news aren't flooded with crashes due to "lack of experience" of these entitled FOs. But yes, do a road trip, go paint some fences, make Buffalo Joe happy. The Canadian way.

Yeah, but have you ever tried to get a European license? It’s not a matter of memorizing the answers to a short multiple-choice quiz like it is here. It’s an actual accomplishment.

I disagree. It’s one exam at a time. You study one pass one, get on to the next. Tons of exams question banks available online.
It’s not that hard just a longer time investment but then again, Canadian Atpl exams also are a joke. Let’s not kid ourselves here, this is not a bar exam or quantum physics. If you can read, write and have high school algebra level math, you can get an ATPL.

3 exams at a time, or 2 if you want to risk it and not be able to rewrite a failed exam.

You have 6 attempts in 18 months to write all 13 exams, and the re-writes for any failed exam must be done within the 6 attempts.

[Me262]

Yeah, but have you ever tried to get a European license? It’s not a matter of memorizing the answers to a short multiple-choice quiz like it is here. It’s an actual accomplishment.

I know. I'm in the process. 13 exams of fun.

Let us know how the left seat of the airbus is at 1500 hours, curious to know, also what airlines that actually does put a bare ATPL in the left seat of an Airbus or 737, would like to avoid them!

I'll have no problem attempting to upgrade once I'm reaching close to 1000hrs on type flying in the environment in the right seat. Obviously since I did not start flying the 737/A320 at 250hrs and I'll be doing the conversion, that would put me around 2500+, but I wish I would've been lucky to start right seat at 250hrs with a frozen E-ATPL and be able to start the upgrade process once it would be unfrozen.

[CaptDukeNukem]

Meanwhile in Europe, the majority will get hired on 737 and 320 with only 100PIC. With a much more diverse and busy airspace. And the news aren't flooded with crashes due to "lack of experience" of these entitled FOs. But yes, do a road trip, go paint some fences, make Buffalo Joe happy. The Canadian way.

Yeah, but have you ever tried to get a European license? It’s not a matter of memorizing the answers to a short multiple-choice quiz like it is here. It’s an actual accomplishment.

Apparently, loads if questions are useless knowledge like measurement of paint markings on runways, size of registration letters and totally bizarre questions on the human performance exam. Sound like accomplishing a lot of wasted time.

I’m with you on this one.

MH + RB = BTS

Who cares.
Use the RNAV.