Recall of MEC Chair & Vice Chair

[rudder]

Congrats.

Release #: ACA 25.01
February 28, 2025

Air Canada Pilots Elect New Union Leaders

VICTORIA, B.C. – The Air Canada pilots represented by the Air Line Pilots Association, Int’l have chosen a new slate of officers to lead them for the next two years.

At their winter meeting in Victoria, B.C. the Air Canada Master Executive Council (MEC) elected First Officer Tim Everets as MEC Chair, Captain Joby Bond as MEC Vice-Chair, Captain Apoorv Chandra as MEC Secretary, and Captain Mathieu Lalancette as MEC Treasurer. First Officer Everets also appointed, and the MEC confirmed, Captain Jason Hartleb as MEC Executive Administrator.

Tim Everets

First Officer Everets is a Boeing B787 F/O based in Vancouver, who previously served as ACA MEC Executive Administrator. A graduate of the Seneca College flight program in Toronto, he flew for Central Mountain Air before joining Air Canada in 2007. He lives in Comox, BC.

Joby Bond

Captain Bond is an Airbus 330 captain based in Toronto. A former Chautauqua Airlines pilot, he joined Air Canada in 2005 and served in a number of union roles, both with ALPA and the ACA pilots’ predecessor union, the Air Canada Pilots Association (ACPA). He currently serves as Captain Representative/Chairman for ALPA Local Council 253 in Toronto. A graduate of the University of North Dakota, Captain Bond lives in Burlington, Ont. with his wife and three children.

Apoorv Chandra

Captain Chandra was reelected to a second term as MEC secretary. A Boeing 737 pilot based in Toronto, he has served in committee roles for both ACPA and ALPA. He was a flight instructor before joining Jazz Aviation (Air Canada Jazz) in 2013. He has been with Air Canada since 2017 and lives in Mississauga, Ont. with his wife.

Mathieu Lalancette

Captain Lalancette currently serves as Secretary-Treasurer for ACA Council 254 in Montreal as well as Montreal Grievance chair, and previously represented Montreal-based pilots for ACPA. A Montreal-based Airbus A319 captain, he previously flew for Bearskin Airlines and Jazz Aviation before joining Air Canada in 2018. He is a graduate of Confederation College in Thunder Bay, Ont. and lives in Kirkland, QC.

The four officers lead the Air Canada MEC, which is made up of pilot representatives from the airline’s four pilot bases in Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal, and Winnipeg. The officers will serve a two-year term that begins April 1, 2025 and will run until March 31, 2027. The MEC also elected these pilots to serve as interim MEC officers until their terms officially begin on April 1.

[CGFCK]

It's an interesting proposition.

Less divisive than 50 pilots, less than 1% of membership, getting 20% (or 30%!) of the vote on the MEC.

How many reps does Winnipeg have versus other bases?

YVR & YUL have the same amount of voting reps as YWG

YUL & YVR have a thousand plus members so 20 times plus as many but somehow have the same number of votes.

So when the World Ass Contract was sent to the membership, YWG armed with a proxy had 30% of all the votes. A base of 50 members, representing less than 1% of the total membership with nearly a third of the vote for a historic negotiating opportunity.

[Man_in_the_sky]

It's an interesting proposition.

Less divisive than 50 pilots, less than 1% of membership, getting 20% (or 30%!) of the vote on the MEC.

How many reps does Winnipeg have versus other bases?

YVR & YUL have the same amount of voting reps as YWG

YUL & YVR have a thousand plus members so 20 times plus as many but somehow have the same number of votes.

So when the World Ass Contract was sent to the membership, YWG armed with a proxy had 30% of all the votes. A base of 50 members, representing less than 1% of the total membership with nearly a third of the vote for a historic negotiating opportunity.

they used their voting power to present the TA to the group.. After that, every member had a vote to cast.

[Booming]

Once the MEC brought forward the TA...the leverage was gone. I loved my $100k pay raise as a WB Skip. Having terrible narrowbody rules doesn't affect me fortunately.

I'm still buying RPs beers & dinner though. These guys are pissed

[Man_in_the_sky]

Once the MEC brought forward the TA...the leverage was gone. I loved my $100k pay raise as a WB Skip. Having terrible narrowbody rules doesn't affect me fortunately.

I'm still buying RPs beers & dinner though. These guys are pissed

i had the feeling you guys ( wb ) were trying to get a max days monthly, can you clarify how NB rules are worst than WB ? Don't wanna argue there, just curious.

[unitatis super omnia]

It's an interesting proposition.

Less divisive than 50 pilots, less than 1% of membership, getting 20% (or 30%!) of the vote on the MEC.

How many reps does Winnipeg have versus other bases?

YVR & YUL have the same amount of voting reps as YWG

YUL & YVR have a thousand plus members so 20 times plus as many but somehow have the same number of votes.

So when the World Ass Contract was sent to the membership, YWG armed with a proxy had 30% of all the votes. A base of 50 members, representing less than 1% of the total membership with nearly a third of the vote for a historic negotiating opportunity.

How exactly is a YWG member different that any other? Their base was as unified and ready to fight for a WCC contract as any other yet you make it sound like they are a bunch of shills run by reps who were primed to rubber stamp any deal. The one guy stuck his neck out and led a recall against the former chair who was an epic shill and the other was sent by the MEC to be ALPA-C VP. Also, what do you have to say about YUL? Shill base too I presume. YVR split vote? Semi-shill base. This is getting old...

Does your whole argument boil down to any rep who voted yes is illegitimate? The a tiebreak was in the chair's hands, so proxy or not, nothing was going to change. But keep looking for any reason to justify your bitterness towards a deal that was ratified by nearly 7/10 pilots or 2:1 yes/no. If it didn't meet your expectations, I get it. It didn't meet mine either. Get over it or step up and do something about it instead of sitting behind your keyboard to slag your fellow pilots who did.

[Man_in_the_sky]

How many reps does Winnipeg have versus other bases?

YVR & YUL have the same amount of voting reps as YWG

YUL & YVR have a thousand plus members so 20 times plus as many but somehow have the same number of votes.

So when the World Ass Contract was sent to the membership, YWG armed with a proxy had 30% of all the votes. A base of 50 members, representing less than 1% of the total membership with nearly a third of the vote for a historic negotiating opportunity.

How exactly is a YWG member different that any other? Their base was as unified and ready to fight for a WCC contract as any other yet you make it sound like they are a bunch of shills run by reps who were primed to rubber stamp any deal. The one guy stuck his neck out and led a recall against the former chair who was an epic shill and the other was sent by the MEC to be ALPA-C VP. Also, what do you have to say about YUL? Shill base too I presume. YVR split vote? Semi-shill base. This is getting old...

Does your whole argument boil down to any rep who voted yes is illegitimate? The a tiebreak was in the chair's hands, so proxy or not, nothing was going to change. But keep looking for any reason to justify your bitterness towards a deal that was ratified by nearly 7/10 pilots or 2:1 yes/no. If it didn't meet your expectations, I get it. It didn't meet mine either. Get over it or step up and do something about it instead of sitting behind your keyboard to slag your fellow pilots who did.

you are right, but let's be honest, there's noone in this base that is

- commuting
- on flat pay
- on widebody

their opinion is as important as others, but they aren't representing the whole group. i think that's the issue here.

[unitatis super omnia]

Good point about flat pay because that's where the most heavily concentrated anger is coming from and rightly so. The TA fell far too short in that area so I understand how pissed off that group is. But the FO seniority list in YWG looks like most had recently gone through the same 4 year cycle of shit wages like everyone else. As for the lack of widebody and commuter pilots, I felt they received some of the best parts of the deal with the biggest dollar pay raises and commuting policy. So that demographic was already well represented elsewhere.

Again, I think we're focusing on the wrong things and splitting hairs on who is in what base won't yield anything but disunity. Given the growing uncertainty in our bargaining environment with geopolitical instability and trade wars, our unity is the only thing we can rely on to fuel improvements for CA2 in 2027 otherwise it's a lost cause. It's up to us to resist our worst instincts of self destruction after the dust has settled on our current CA and regroup starting now.

[thepoors]

Why stop at dissolving the YWG base when you can give YYZ another rep or two for a supermajority? The MEC would love it; great idea! At least they would all agree that eliminating weak, out of touch off-base members for experienced, level-headed, yyz keyboard warriors like thepoors will serve the pilots well. Our unity and future success demands listening to the miserable loudmouths who won't lift a finger for their fellow pilots beyond logging keystrokes and raging like an uninformed toddler. The entire MEC exec and NC were YYZ based except for the EA, but that still isn't enough influence apparently. And the proxy wouldn't have made any difference as the Chair was going to approve the TA in the event of a tiebreak anyway. But go ahead, ignore reality and rage on.

How does the endless drone regarding disproportionate representation think that two non-confidence resolutions with 100 votes is the will of the membership? The tail wagging the dog is bad unless it supports your beliefs, which is good. I guess democracy must really suck when it doesn't align with your views after doing absolutely nothing constructive to affect it. And by doing no volunteer work and sacrificing nothing except for the burden of wearing a lanyard and maybe a day or two of picketing earns enough credibility to disparage the integrity of those that did? The MEC made some big mistakes and criticism is needed to improve our performance for 2027. But that doesn't mean we're supposed to listen to those who have never stuck their neck out or done even 1% of what this MEC did to get us pointed away from the dark days of ACPA. Only a fool would trust a flock of lazy cowards denigrating their tireless efforts and sacrifices. I'd sooner quit the union than see it succumb to that style of selfish, obnoxious leadership.

Thank you Charlene, Jesse and all the volunteers who selflessly stood up and answered the call.

Can I ask what in the actual fk you're smoking bud?

YYZ "supermajority"...yeah no shit. There's 2700 pilots in YYZ, 50% of the pilot group - and more than double any other base. There's 50 in YWG, 0.01%. Yet they had 30% of the vote, explain to me how that makes sense. Was that the "will of the membership?" The YYZ base should have the most influence since it has the most members. That's as far as that argument goes. YWG should maybe get 1 vote, which is still far more weight than their representation justifies. What are you crying about exactly?

The rest of your driveling is bunk. The union works for the membership. It's plainly ridiculous to claim that every member has to volunteer and "sacrifice" for the union in order to be able to criticize the contentious actions of the leadership. You and all the other boot licking hacks that keep pushing this fallacy like it means something sound like a bunch of dimwits. Everyone who pays their dues has a right to have their opinion heard.

Do you also think you have to go to Parliament Hill and mop floors if you want to criticize something the PM has done? That's not how democratic discourse works tough guy. Get a clue.

[Cessna 180]

Don't forget, the MEC (local council reps) can vote by roll call or a show of hands. It's their choice which way to vote. Show of hands is certainly more common and less toxic, but if they feel strongly about an issue, any rep can ask for a roll call vote.

[rudder]

Don't forget, the MEC (local council reps) can vote by roll call or a show of hands. It's their choice which way to vote. Show of hands is certainly more common and less toxic, but if they feel strongly about an issue, any rep can ask for a roll call vote.

Not true.

Election of MEC Officers? 1 rep = 1 vote

Accepting a TA? 1 rep = 1 vote

The MEC voting protocol is governed by the ALPA Constitution & Bylaws and the respective MEC Policy Manual.

[unitatis super omnia]

Why stop at dissolving the YWG base when you can give YYZ another rep or two for a supermajority? The MEC would love it; great idea! At least they would all agree that eliminating weak, out of touch off-base members for experienced, level-headed, yyz keyboard warriors like thepoors will serve the pilots well. Our unity and future success demands listening to the miserable loudmouths who won't lift a finger for their fellow pilots beyond logging keystrokes and raging like an uninformed toddler. The entire MEC exec and NC were YYZ based except for the EA, but that still isn't enough influence apparently. And the proxy wouldn't have made any difference as the Chair was going to approve the TA in the event of a tiebreak anyway. But go ahead, ignore reality and rage on.

How does the endless drone regarding disproportionate representation think that two non-confidence resolutions with 100 votes is the will of the membership? The tail wagging the dog is bad unless it supports your beliefs, which is good. I guess democracy must really suck when it doesn't align with your views after doing absolutely nothing constructive to affect it. And by doing no volunteer work and sacrificing nothing except for the burden of wearing a lanyard and maybe a day or two of picketing earns enough credibility to disparage the integrity of those that did? The MEC made some big mistakes and criticism is needed to improve our performance for 2027. But that doesn't mean we're supposed to listen to those who have never stuck their neck out or done even 1% of what this MEC did to get us pointed away from the dark days of ACPA. Only a fool would trust a flock of lazy cowards denigrating their tireless efforts and sacrifices. I'd sooner quit the union than see it succumb to that style of selfish, obnoxious leadership.

Thank you Charlene, Jesse and all the volunteers who selflessly stood up and answered the call.

Can I ask what in the actual fk you're smoking bud?

YYZ "supermajority"...yeah no shit. There's 2700 pilots in YYZ, 50% of the pilot group - and more than double any other base. There's 50 in YWG, 0.01%. Yet they had 30% of the vote, explain to me how that makes sense. Was that the "will of the membership?" The YYZ base should have the most influence since it has the most members. That's as far as that argument goes. YWG should maybe get 1 vote, which is still far more weight than their representation justifies. What are you crying about exactly?

The rest of your driveling is bunk. The union works for the membership. It's plainly ridiculous to claim that every member has to volunteer and "sacrifice" for the union in order to be able to criticize the contentious actions of the leadership. You and all the other boot licking hacks that keep pushing this fallacy like it means something sound like a bunch of dimwits. Everyone who pays their dues has a right to have their opinion heard.

Do you also think you have to go to Parliament Hill and mop floors if you want to criticize something the PM has done? That's not how democratic discourse works tough guy. Get a clue.

Constructive criticism and your endless personal petty attacks on otherwise honourable members are two completely different things. But cowardly whiners like you wouldn't know the difference because you have such low situational awareness and anger management issues. It only took me one post calling your childish antics out to make you prove my point. I would imagine the only reason you come on here to spew your endless misery is because nobody in real life cares to listen.

You could always prove your detractors wrong and volunteer for anything more than being a forum troll, but you won't. I know lazy yappers when I see them. Keep up the no work

[thepoors]

Why stop at dissolving the YWG base when you can give YYZ another rep or two for a supermajority? The MEC would love it; great idea! At least they would all agree that eliminating weak, out of touch off-base members for experienced, level-headed, yyz keyboard warriors like thepoors will serve the pilots well. Our unity and future success demands listening to the miserable loudmouths who won't lift a finger for their fellow pilots beyond logging keystrokes and raging like an uninformed toddler. The entire MEC exec and NC were YYZ based except for the EA, but that still isn't enough influence apparently. And the proxy wouldn't have made any difference as the Chair was going to approve the TA in the event of a tiebreak anyway. But go ahead, ignore reality and rage on.

How does the endless drone regarding disproportionate representation think that two non-confidence resolutions with 100 votes is the will of the membership? The tail wagging the dog is bad unless it supports your beliefs, which is good. I guess democracy must really suck when it doesn't align with your views after doing absolutely nothing constructive to affect it. And by doing no volunteer work and sacrificing nothing except for the burden of wearing a lanyard and maybe a day or two of picketing earns enough credibility to disparage the integrity of those that did? The MEC made some big mistakes and criticism is needed to improve our performance for 2027. But that doesn't mean we're supposed to listen to those who have never stuck their neck out or done even 1% of what this MEC did to get us pointed away from the dark days of ACPA. Only a fool would trust a flock of lazy cowards denigrating their tireless efforts and sacrifices. I'd sooner quit the union than see it succumb to that style of selfish, obnoxious leadership.

Thank you Charlene, Jesse and all the volunteers who selflessly stood up and answered the call.

Can I ask what in the actual fk you're smoking bud?

YYZ "supermajority"...yeah no shit. There's 2700 pilots in YYZ, 50% of the pilot group - and more than double any other base. There's 50 in YWG, 0.01%. Yet they had 30% of the vote, explain to me how that makes sense. Was that the "will of the membership?" The YYZ base should have the most influence since it has the most members. That's as far as that argument goes. YWG should maybe get 1 vote, which is still far more weight than their representation justifies. What are you crying about exactly?

The rest of your driveling is bunk. The union works for the membership. It's plainly ridiculous to claim that every member has to volunteer and "sacrifice" for the union in order to be able to criticize the contentious actions of the leadership. You and all the other boot licking hacks that keep pushing this fallacy like it means something sound like a bunch of dimwits. Everyone who pays their dues has a right to have their opinion heard.

Do you also think you have to go to Parliament Hill and mop floors if you want to criticize something the PM has done? That's not how democratic discourse works tough guy. Get a clue.

Constructive criticism and your endless personal petty attacks on otherwise honourable members are two completely different things. But cowardly whiners like you wouldn't know the difference because you have such low situational awareness and anger management issues. It only took me one post calling your childish antics out to make you prove my point. I would imagine the only reason you come on here to spew your endless misery is because nobody in real life cares to listen.

You could always prove your detractors wrong and volunteer for anything more than being a forum troll, but you won't. I know lazy yappers when I see them. Keep up the no work

Haha wow... instead of responding directly to anything I wrote, you resort to personal attacks and call me cowardly and childish. Who's really lacking self awareness? Or is it IQ that you're lacking?

You've done nothing but yap nonsense and have zero rebuttal to any intelligent comment. What exactly have you contributed to the union, since you think you're so morally superior?

[Canadianpilot2024]

I tend to agree with what thepoors posts. His comments seem pretty logical to me. Hopefully he is part of the union in some regard, because he seems like he’d be a great asset.

He’s right, Winnipeg base needs to be addressed.

Another thing to consider as well, cost of living varies drastically between the four bases… and I’d argue that a TA that keeps Winnipeg open would get my vote if I was a guy from Winnipeg. Logic would assume it’s a base on the chopping block.

For example, my thoughts on the TA would be drastically different if they opened a Calgary base.

Also, for all the yes guys who are saying we got screwed when the TA was presented.. what would it have taken for you to say no? Instead of a “42 percent” raise, a 30 percent raise? 10 percent? No reduction bid?

Going one step further, how would an arbitrator look at things if we negotiated a contract significantly less than WJ or Flair or any other comparable?

Beating a dead horse here. And to quote Charlene , lots of “what if.. what if.. what if”

I’m also excited for the new MEC. Good luck to them

[unitatis super omnia]

Can I ask what in the actual fk you're smoking bud?

YYZ "supermajority"...yeah no shit. There's 2700 pilots in YYZ, 50% of the pilot group - and more than double any other base. There's 50 in YWG, 0.01%. Yet they had 30% of the vote, explain to me how that makes sense. Was that the "will of the membership?" The YYZ base should have the most influence since it has the most members. That's as far as that argument goes. YWG should maybe get 1 vote, which is still far more weight than their representation justifies. What are you crying about exactly?

The rest of your driveling is bunk. The union works for the membership. It's plainly ridiculous to claim that every member has to volunteer and "sacrifice" for the union in order to be able to criticize the contentious actions of the leadership. You and all the other boot licking hacks that keep pushing this fallacy like it means something sound like a bunch of dimwits. Everyone who pays their dues has a right to have their opinion heard.

Do you also think you have to go to Parliament Hill and mop floors if you want to criticize something the PM has done? That's not how democratic discourse works tough guy. Get a clue.

Constructive criticism and your endless personal petty attacks on otherwise honourable members are two completely different things. But cowardly whiners like you wouldn't know the difference because you have such low situational awareness and anger management issues. It only took me one post calling your childish antics out to make you prove my point. I would imagine the only reason you come on here to spew your endless misery is because nobody in real life cares to listen.

You could always prove your detractors wrong and volunteer for anything more than being a forum troll, but you won't. I know lazy yappers when I see them. Keep up the no work

Haha wow... instead of responding directly to anything I wrote, you resort to personal attacks and call me cowardly and childish. Who's really lacking self awareness? Or is it IQ that you're lacking?

You've done nothing but yap nonsense and have zero rebuttal to any intelligent comment. What exactly have you contributed to the union, since you think you're so morally superior?

Listen, I understand shit-posting on here has become your entire life, and it must be difficult to be served some of your own medicine, but my "moral superiority" doesn't need justification when calling a pigeon out for consistently shitting on everyone who didn't meet your expectations. What a tragedy to let our most angry, unstable member down . How about you explain to everyone why having spent the last 6 months anonymously trashing our association and everyone who stepped up to fight gives you any credibility? You would fold within a minute of experiencing even a second of the cruel and bitter criticism you spew. That's exactly why you're too much of a wimp to stick your scrawny neck out and risk anything.

Until then could you please take your meds and stop turning every thread into a raving lunatic's therapy sessions. ALPA has Pilot Assistance volunteers (imagine that) and counselling through Manulife for that.

[Winnikegger]

How many reps does Winnipeg have versus other bases?

YVR & YUL have the same amount of voting reps as YWG

YUL & YVR have a thousand plus members so 20 times plus as many but somehow have the same number of votes.

So when the World Ass Contract was sent to the membership, YWG armed with a proxy had 30% of all the votes. A base of 50 members, representing less than 1% of the total membership with nearly a third of the vote for a historic negotiating opportunity.

How exactly is a YWG member different that any other? Their base was as unified and ready to fight for a WCC contract as any other yet you make it sound like they are a bunch of shills run by reps who were primed to rubber stamp any deal. The one guy stuck his neck out and led a recall against the former chair who was an epic shill and the other was sent by the MEC to be ALPA-C VP. Also, what do you have to say about YUL? Shill base too I presume. YVR split vote? Semi-shill base. This is getting old...

Does your whole argument boil down to any rep who voted yes is illegitimate? The a tiebreak was in the chair's hands, so proxy or not, nothing was going to change. But keep looking for any reason to justify your bitterness towards a deal that was ratified by nearly 7/10 pilots or 2:1 yes/no. If it didn't meet your expectations, I get it. It didn't meet mine either. Get over it or step up and do something about it instead of sitting behind your keyboard to slag your fellow pilots who did.

The same guy who led a recall promptly got himself in on the MEC. Has the optics of a little self serving.

And then somehow ended up with 2 votes out of 10 via a proxy.

An Air Canada pilot wage is good in Winnipeg, I'll admit it. Plus we don't have to commute for more than a bit of a drive.

It is wild we have so much pull on the MEC but as a Winnipeger I'm not complaining.

[thepoors]

Constructive criticism and your endless personal petty attacks on otherwise honourable members are two completely different things. But cowardly whiners like you wouldn't know the difference because you have such low situational awareness and anger management issues. It only took me one post calling your childish antics out to make you prove my point. I would imagine the only reason you come on here to spew your endless misery is because nobody in real life cares to listen.

You could always prove your detractors wrong and volunteer for anything more than being a forum troll, but you won't. I know lazy yappers when I see them. Keep up the no work

Haha wow... instead of responding directly to anything I wrote, you resort to personal attacks and call me cowardly and childish. Who's really lacking self awareness? Or is it IQ that you're lacking?

You've done nothing but yap nonsense and have zero rebuttal to any intelligent comment. What exactly have you contributed to the union, since you think you're so morally superior?

Listen, I understand shit-posting on here has become your entire life, and it must be difficult to be served some of your own medicine, but my "moral superiority" doesn't need justification when calling a pigeon out for consistently shitting on everyone who didn't meet your expectations. What a tragedy to let our most angry, unstable member down . How about you explain to everyone why having spent the last 6 months anonymously trashing our association and everyone who stepped up to fight gives you any credibility? You would fold within a minute of experiencing even a second of the cruel and bitter criticism you spew. That's exactly why you're too much of a wimp to stick your scrawny neck out and risk anything.

Until then could you please take your meds and stop turning every thread into a raving lunatic's therapy sessions. ALPA has Pilot Assistance volunteers (imagine that) and counselling through Manulife for that.

I see I've gotten under your skin and now you're lashing out like a 3rd grader. Careful with your blood pressure buddy. You keep repeating the same tired insults while dodging every legitimate question I've asked. You also know nothing about me so I can only assume these pathetic personal attacks are an obvious projection of your own insecurities.

I'll ask again, what have you done to garner any credibility? If you want to continue to cuck for the old MEC that's your prerogative but everyone has moved on. If you're that bitter about it, or unable to handle someone having a differing opinion, I suggest you stop posting. You sound like a petulant child. It's honestly scary people like you sit in a cockpit, guess there's always a few that slip through cracks in the psych eval...

[unitatis super omnia]

Haha wow... instead of responding directly to anything I wrote, you resort to personal attacks and call me cowardly and childish. Who's really lacking self awareness? Or is it IQ that you're lacking?

You've done nothing but yap nonsense and have zero rebuttal to any intelligent comment. What exactly have you contributed to the union, since you think you're so morally superior?

Listen, I understand shit-posting on here has become your entire life, and it must be difficult to be served some of your own medicine, but my "moral superiority" doesn't need justification when calling a pigeon out for consistently shitting on everyone who didn't meet your expectations. What a tragedy to let our most angry, unstable member down . How about you explain to everyone why having spent the last 6 months anonymously trashing our association and everyone who stepped up to fight gives you any credibility? You would fold within a minute of experiencing even a second of the cruel and bitter criticism you spew. That's exactly why you're too much of a wimp to stick your scrawny neck out and risk anything.

Until then could you please take your meds and stop turning every thread into a raving lunatic's therapy sessions. ALPA has Pilot Assistance volunteers (imagine that) and counselling through Manulife for that.

I see I've gotten under your skin and now you're lashing out like a 3rd grader. Careful with your blood pressure buddy. You keep repeating the same tired insults while dodging every legitimate question I've asked. You also know nothing about me so I can only assume these pathetic personal attacks are an obvious projection of your own insecurities.

I'll ask again, what have you done to garner any credibility? If you want to continue to cuck for the old MEC that's your prerogative but everyone has moved on. If you're that bitter about it, or unable to handle someone having a differing opinion, I suggest you stop posting. You sound like a petulant child. It's honestly scary people like you sit in a cockpit, guess there's always a few that slip through cracks in the psych eval...

Yeah, your 700 shit posts blasting every decision the MEC/NC made and threatening to ban them from your jump seat sounds like you've really moved on. No bitterness or grudges there...

If I wanted to hear my own comments and talking points repeated back at me I would buy a parrot. It would be less nauseating to listen to than your arrogant attitude towards our association and selfless efforts of it's volunteers. But you're still the victim even though you're lazy, thin skinned and have a loud mouth. Insecure cowards always love to dish it but the second you give it back they run. Beyond the keyboard, you're as ineffective and harmless as they come.

Now I'll step aside and let you go back to being a giantly foolish, non-contributing zero of a pilot member.

[noreasterYHZ]

How many reps does Winnipeg have versus other bases?

YVR & YUL have the same amount of voting reps as YWG

YUL & YVR have a thousand plus members so 20 times plus as many but somehow have the same number of votes.

So when the World Ass Contract was sent to the membership, YWG armed with a proxy had 30% of all the votes. A base of 50 members, representing less than 1% of the total membership with nearly a third of the vote for a historic negotiating opportunity.

How exactly is a YWG member different that any other? Their base was as unified and ready to fight for a WCC contract as any other yet you make it sound like they are a bunch of shills run by reps who were primed to rubber stamp any deal. The one guy stuck his neck out and led a recall against the former chair who was an epic shill and the other was sent by the MEC to be ALPA-C VP. Also, what do you have to say about YUL? Shill base too I presume. YVR split vote? Semi-shill base. This is getting old...

Does your whole argument boil down to any rep who voted yes is illegitimate? The a tiebreak was in the chair's hands, so proxy or not, nothing was going to change. But keep looking for any reason to justify your bitterness towards a deal that was ratified by nearly 7/10 pilots or 2:1 yes/no. If it didn't meet your expectations, I get it. It didn't meet mine either. Get over it or step up and do something about it instead of sitting behind your keyboard to slag your fellow pilots who did.

So are you saying YWG has 2 status reps, plus a secretary treasurer, plus a ALPA-C VP?

So a total of 4 reps for a base of 50?

Like 10% of the base of Winnipeg are reps?

We got more pilots commuting from Halifax...

Is it Winnipeg that is actually a "super base" with so much representation?

[Bede]

Can someone tell me what an ALPA-C VP is?

If you’re thinking EVP-C, AC isn’t in the C group (with WJ, Jazz, etc.), AC is in the A group with their own dedicated EVP.

[thepoors]

Listen, I understand shit-posting on here has become your entire life, and it must be difficult to be served some of your own medicine, but my "moral superiority" doesn't need justification when calling a pigeon out for consistently shitting on everyone who didn't meet your expectations. What a tragedy to let our most angry, unstable member down . How about you explain to everyone why having spent the last 6 months anonymously trashing our association and everyone who stepped up to fight gives you any credibility? You would fold within a minute of experiencing even a second of the cruel and bitter criticism you spew. That's exactly why you're too much of a wimp to stick your scrawny neck out and risk anything.

Until then could you please take your meds and stop turning every thread into a raving lunatic's therapy sessions. ALPA has Pilot Assistance volunteers (imagine that) and counselling through Manulife for that.

I see I've gotten under your skin and now you're lashing out like a 3rd grader. Careful with your blood pressure buddy. You keep repeating the same tired insults while dodging every legitimate question I've asked. You also know nothing about me so I can only assume these pathetic personal attacks are an obvious projection of your own insecurities.

I'll ask again, what have you done to garner any credibility? If you want to continue to cuck for the old MEC that's your prerogative but everyone has moved on. If you're that bitter about it, or unable to handle someone having a differing opinion, I suggest you stop posting. You sound like a petulant child. It's honestly scary people like you sit in a cockpit, guess there's always a few that slip through cracks in the psych eval...

Yeah, your 700 shit posts blasting every decision the MEC/NC made and threatening to ban them from your jump seat sounds like you've really moved on. No bitterness or grudges there...

If I wanted to hear my own comments and talking points repeated back at me I would buy a parrot. It would be less nauseating to listen to than your arrogant attitude towards our association and selfless efforts of it's volunteers. But you're still the victim even though you're lazy, thin skinned and have a loud mouth. Insecure cowards always love to dish it but the second you give it back they run. Beyond the keyboard, you're as ineffective and harmless as they come.

Now I'll step aside and let you go back to being a giantly foolish, non-contributing zero of a pilot member.

"Thin skinned" "loud mouth" "insecure coward" "non-contributing zero" "shit poster" - Keep projecting little man, it's okay. I'd just like to know why you're getting so triggered that you're unable to address a single point I've brought up?

What is your vested interest that you think this union is beyond criticism? Why should we just all just shut up and be happy when a few people in positions of power take actions detrimental to 5500 members?

[Booming]

Once the MEC brought forward the TA...the leverage was gone. I loved my $100k pay raise as a WB Skip. Having terrible narrowbody rules doesn't affect me fortunately.

I'm still buying RPs beers & dinner though. These guys are pissed

i had the feeling you guys ( wb ) were trying to get a max days monthly, can you clarify how NB rules are worst than WB ? Don't wanna argue there, just curious.

I fly overseas that are productive trips. Dubai, Delhi, etc

I don't have to worry about min credit garbage. Air Canada has some of the worst guarantees in the world. Sucks.

[troisrivieres]

Is there anyway to ensure a base of YUL with over 20 times the number of pilots as YWG has more representation??

Seems like a threat to governance to have Winnipeg with so much power.

[FatPilot]

Who lead the recal?

[737Drver]

YVR & YUL have the same amount of voting reps as YWG

YUL & YVR have a thousand plus members so 20 times plus as many but somehow have the same number of votes.

So when the World Ass Contract was sent to the membership, YWG armed with a proxy had 30% of all the votes. A base of 50 members, representing less than 1% of the total membership with nearly a third of the vote for a historic negotiating opportunity.

How exactly is a YWG member different that any other? Their base was as unified and ready to fight for a WCC contract as any other yet you make it sound like they are a bunch of shills run by reps who were primed to rubber stamp any deal. The one guy stuck his neck out and led a recall against the former chair who was an epic shill and the other was sent by the MEC to be ALPA-C VP. Also, what do you have to say about YUL? Shill base too I presume. YVR split vote? Semi-shill base. This is getting old...

Does your whole argument boil down to any rep who voted yes is illegitimate? The a tiebreak was in the chair's hands, so proxy or not, nothing was going to change. But keep looking for any reason to justify your bitterness towards a deal that was ratified by nearly 7/10 pilots or 2:1 yes/no. If it didn't meet your expectations, I get it. It didn't meet mine either. Get over it or step up and do something about it instead of sitting behind your keyboard to slag your fellow pilots who did.

The same guy who led a recall promptly got himself in on the MEC. Has the optics of a little self serving.

And then somehow ended up with 2 votes out of 10 via a proxy.

An Air Canada pilot wage is good in Winnipeg, I'll admit it. Plus we don't have to commute for more than a bit of a drive.

It is wild we have so much pull on the MEC but as a Winnipeger I'm not complaining.

So how much representation do pilots in Calgary get?

Isn't there hundreds of pilots there and no LEC yet Winnipeg has 20% of the votes on the MEC?

If Calgary can be absorbed into another LEC, why can't Winnipeg?