Time to end this circus: Claude has to go

[truedude]

As a guy that saw how ACPA tried to cling on to its corruption ring, this is a huge red flag. I don't know details of this Jazz fiasco, but when there is smoke...

This is exactly the tactic they tried to control the desire for change...by threats with harassment & defamation.

This is a classic move and when you see this...you know you are dealing with a corrupt and control obsessed union. Jazz pilots...wake up

"Where there is smoke there is fire" is one of the dumbest attempts to convince people there is something where there is nothing. It means they lack the evidence to show there is something actually wrong, and instead resort to innuendo. It is an intellectually weak argument.

And as for ACPA, you have a pretty hard-core ACPA guy as your chair again... more things change, the more the stay the same.

Lol...now you're just making shit up...man this is so sad

The new Air Canada MEC Chair was a huge part of the transition to ALPA and the take down of ACPA

That may be, but still holds a lot the old ACPA opinions.

[unionism101]

Lol...name one...

Other than that Jazz pilots won't be sliding into Air Canada pilots seniority list...like every other regional pilot in North America

[A310Heavy]

Reading through this thread as a fellow ALPA pilot...it's pretty clear change is needed. 14 yrs tenure is just insane.

[truedude]

Lol...name one...

Other than that Jazz pilots won't be sliding into Air Canada pilots seniority list...like every other regional pilot in North America

Wouldn't be up to ACA in the end. Maybe you should ask why ACA needs to file intervener status to be included in conversations they had previously been invited to join...

AC pilots have a very poor track record when dealing with the CIRB. It appears little has changed.

[truedude]

Reading through this thread as a fellow ALPA pilot...it's pretty clear change is needed. 14 yrs tenure is just insane.

Maybe it is. But the way people are attempting to do so is inappropriate.

[Cypresshill]

Defamation: a false and malicious statement about someone.

Since the claims are verifiably true it seems, defamation is a hell of a stretch. But a defamation attempt sure would be welcome! That would allow for the subpoenas of phone records, emails, written notes and communications, and the details of all expenses and any and all meeting minutes involving the litigant, including the ULP and the shenanigans that have taken place there.

[PostmasterGeneral]

Lol...name one...

Other than that Jazz pilots won't be sliding into Air Canada pilots seniority list...like every other regional pilot in North America

Wouldn't be up to ACA in the end. Maybe you should ask why ACA needs to file intervener status to be included in conversations they had previously been invited to join...

AC pilots have a very poor track record when dealing with the CIRB. It appears little has changed.

Because they weren’t being given the information they requested. Intervener status ensures full disclosure is provided to them. This was all laid out in the AC MEC email to its members last month.

You keep insisting that the CIRB has the power to impose a decision on AC ALPA, which isn’t true, and you know better.

They can make AC the corporation pay, but they do not have access to the seniority list.

[truedude]

Lol...name one...

Other than that Jazz pilots won't be sliding into Air Canada pilots seniority list...like every other regional pilot in North America

Wouldn't be up to ACA in the end. Maybe you should ask why ACA needs to file intervener status to be included in conversations they had previously been invited to join...

AC pilots have a very poor track record when dealing with the CIRB. It appears little has changed.

Because they weren’t being given the information they requested. Intervener status ensures full disclosure is provided to them. This was all laid out in the AC MEC email to its members last month.

You keep insisting that the CIRB has the power to impose a decision on AC ALPA, which isn’t true, and you know better.

They can make AC the corporation pay, but they do not have access to the seniority list.

They do have access to that list. This is a fact. Just because you don't like it, doesn't make it not true. But they do. You really need to better understand what power the CIRB has. I bet ACPA once thought the CIRB didn't have the power to overturn the Mitchnick award... But boy did they.

ACA may not be granted intervener status at all. Then decisions will be made without you in the room at all.

[Mac08]

Forget the vehicle, booze, etc…. No Jazz pilot actually believes his 4 trips to Hawaii were to organize a “flow” agreement with Hawaiian right? That’s probably the most telling for me that he’s a load of shit.

[Cypresshill]

YUL Pilots,



On April 25, 2025, your MEC executive chair sent out a very long-winded message to the pilot group. His message is filled with nonsense, with explanations of “dissent,” allegations of “slander,” and talk of “aviate, navigate, communicate.”



Throughout the entirety of his message, the executive chair did not answer any of the questions YUL pilots sent us to ask him after your motion passed in our general assembly on April 15, 2025.



We asked him to provide a cost comparison of the new office renovation and the purchase of a Lincoln Aviator. We want to see the actual savings realized in our new model of doing MEC business compared with the cost of the previous office rent and use of rental cars.



In his message to you, the executive chair did not give cost information about the office renovation and incomplete information about the savings we have made. He gave you incomplete information about the Lincoln Aviator he purchased and incomplete information about more cost savings. The actual cost of these items is astronomical!



There is not a single other Canadian ALPA carrier that has purchased an ALPA MEC vehicle. Could it be because rental cars and Ubers are significantly less expensive?



During our search for cost information on the office renovation and Lincoln Aviator, we discovered four trips the MEC executive chair took to Honolulu, which were charged as MEC expenses. So, at our special meeting held in Toronto on April 22, 2025, we asked the MEC executive chair to explain what possible Jazz MEC business he could have carried out in Honolulu.



His explanation to you regarding his trips to Honolulu is like a story about the “big fish that got away.” The MEC executive chair tells you a fantastic story about operating cargo A330s out of Cincinnati and preferential hiring at Hawaiian Airlines without green cards or American licenses. It’s a great but unbelievably absurd story.



We have never heard of that plan before, and it has never been the topic of discussion at any Jazz MEC meetings. It is not included in any Jazz MEC meeting minutes, and we are sure that there are no meeting minutes from any discussions that allegedly took place in Honolulu. We have no information on whether our MEC Negotiations Committee ever accompanied the MEC executive chair to Honolulu to get a deal flying A330s, but we do know he didn’t go to Honolulu alone.



Finally, in his message to the pilot group, the MEC executive chair tells you that he is going to meet you all at his grand roadshow, and he says in his own words that he has no information to give you.



If the MEC executive chair were honest and transparent, he would show you the actual costs from “INFOR” for the office renovation and the Lincoln Aviator because they exist. Also, all the LEC Councils have been provided with a copy of those numbers!



Through a motion, we have been directed by the YUL pilot group to get a real and complete cost comparison of the alleged “cost savings” realized on this project. If the MEC executive chair does not provide them voluntarily, we will continue to pursue your request through all means available in Section 60 of the ALPA Administration Manual.



As you have directed us to do so from the motion, we will continue to pursue your request to recall the MEC executive due to issues of mistrust.



We will keep you updated on our progress as the situation evolves.

[cdnavater]

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[daedalusx]

Is the Hawaiian cargo story the best they could come up with ?

[Tbayer2021]

Is the Hawaiian cargo story the best they could come up with ?

They probably thought that pilots would think it was too crazy of a story to make up.

[Fowler]

So then who else went to Hawaii if the negotiating fellas didn't go? Family? Inner Circle?ACA? You think there would be a will to simply clear things up. How stupid do they think the pilots are?
This back and forth is proved or disproved quickly, by simple accounting statements. If there are there irregularities put them out and explain them.
I'm not buying the personal vendetta rhetoric anymore, it's fishy as hell if there is that much resistance to transparency and clarity.
And even more fishy is the fact that the reps have this info? But they are under a gag order to not disclose them? It is irresponsible and weak leadership to withhold this information and allow the group divide.
Show me the statements.

[VomitComet]

Nothing from the YUL communication makes any sense. Just the rantings of butt hurt infants that weren’t getting their way, now playing scorched earth. Those supporting them in this forum sound like rabid squirrels, latching onto any nut they can, hissing and foaming at the mouth.

Sound familiar? Of course, ACA burnt down their house too after the old ACPA pilots weren’t happy with their 50% raise and afraid Jazz pilots might get a deal too. Lies and fear mongering to pressure their Exec to step down. The embers still smoking on that inferno.

GR and AS trying to do the same thing.

[Cypresshill]

Maybe give this another read:

Duane Woerth - a former ALPA President - used to say that the way to determine if your expense submission is legitimate is to ask “would I be willing to post it on the crew room wall?” That is a pretty simple standard.

Also, if it takes more than two sentences to explain an expense submission to a member then perhaps either the claim or the policy underlying the claim should be reviewed.

I have always believed that 10O% of MEC documentation should be available to the membership. The rare exception would only be ‘closed session’ items. That means meeting minutes, budgets, and incurred expense summaries (not individual expense claims). The dollars being spent are the members dues. A typical MEC budget is derived from approximately a 1% charge on eligible member earnings.

Representatives are only accountable if the membership holds them accountable. Representation happens from the bottom upwards. Take a look at the tenure of the representatives. What does it say about the diversity of the group when it is the same names for years (or over a decade)? Ever heard of ‘group think’?



Any time a representative questions the legitimate right of a member to speak, challenge, or access information about how the representative is conducting their duty to represent, it demonstrates an inversion of the power dynamic at the core of the ALPA Constitution.

Companies get the union they deserve, and members get the representatives that they deserve. It is a rare occurrence that a politician decides it is time to step aside. More often they must be told (i.e. ACA MEC).

The reason that there are cars, kitchens, and trips to Hawaii is because the JAZ MEC says that is an acceptable use of member dues. If members have an opinion, then the proper line of communication is your status rep and the proper venue is a local council meeting where your peers can hear both the question and the response.

If anybody is shocked it is only because they weren’t paying attention.

Your statement is just not credible Vomit

[Fowler]

Vomit.... Yup that term sums it up. Sheesh.

[VomitComet]

The YUL house is on fire. GR lit that match. No one else gives a crap. Cry harder.

[Cypresshill]

For someone who doesn’t give a crap you sure sound like you give a crap.

The issue is being brought up in all the bases now that all this is coming out, so you’re wrong about that part too.

[truedude]

For someone who doesn’t give a crap you sure sound like you give a crap.

The issue is being brought up in all the bases now that all this is coming out, so you’re wrong about that part too.

The only thing being discussed by most people in the crew room is what an embarrassment YUL reps have become. People just shake their heads at you clowns.

[PostmasterGeneral]

For someone who doesn’t give a crap you sure sound like you give a crap.

The issue is being brought up in all the bases now that all this is coming out, so you’re wrong about that part too.

The only thing being discussed by most people in the crew room is what an embarrassment YUL reps have become. People just shake their heads at you clowns.

If the spending really was legitimate, you’d think that the big man in charge would be super quick to dispel any rumours, remove any shadow of a doubt. Instead, there’s crickets.

What’s your motivation for defending the behaviour? As a dues paying member, wouldn’t you want to know exactly where your money is going? Especially as someone who will be at Jazz for many years to come, you should be questioning the allegations.

Don’t get upset with the allegations, get upset with the lack of response to them.

[FelixGustof]

How much do Jazz pilots pay for their union?

Brand new kitchens & Lincolns...lol!

This is just brutal from an outsider's view. I just hope you guys aren't spending thousands each to send this guy on vacation in Hawaii

[Inverted2]

How much do Jazz pilots pay for their union?

Brand new kitchens & Lincolns...lol!

This is just brutal from an outsider's view. I just hope you guys aren't spending thousands each to send this guy on vacation in Hawaii

I wonder if he brought his wife too.

[fixnfly]

Man that would be really disappointing if these allegations are true. I actually thought Claude was working in the best interest of the pilot group for the years he was in that leadership position. If the corruption really runs that deep and he really was just serving himself, he should absolutely be kicked out. The silence is truly deafening. Regardless of the outcome, these allegations will have severely damaged ALPAs credibility and reputation within the pilot group and industry.

[truedude]

For someone who doesn’t give a crap you sure sound like you give a crap.

The issue is being brought up in all the bases now that all this is coming out, so you’re wrong about that part too.

The only thing being discussed by most people in the crew room is what an embarrassment YUL reps have become. People just shake their heads at you clowns.

If the spending really was legitimate, you’d think that the big man in charge would be super quick to dispel any rumours, remove any shadow of a doubt. Instead, there’s crickets.

What’s your motivation for defending the behaviour? As a dues paying member, wouldn’t you want to know exactly where your money is going? Especially as someone who will be at Jazz for many years to come, you should be questioning the allegations.

Don’t get upset with the allegations, get upset with the lack of response to them.

He did answer them, to the satisfaction of the majority of Reps, as is evident by the email the YVR LEC sent.