Jaz Executive Spending

[cdnavater]

The problem here is that the spreading of information without anything to substantiate it has caused a distrust, CR has done lots for Jazz pilots and should not be thrown under the bus, he has earned that much!
People are FORGETTING that everything CR did had to be approved by the local reps, therefore they are ALL complicit if there is any impropriety, also seem to be OVERLOOKED is the ABSOLUTE FACT that GR was abusing the flight release to his own personal gain and the union shut down the Flica option to see who’s doing what OT because of his actions. So, we don’t know how much this behaviour continued since then, I would like to know how much OT reps are doing on flight release, I want a full report on this, perhaps I’ll put a motion at the next meeting!
Oh, I just found out GR has been doing 80 hours of OT every month since before COVID(completely made up “fact” to make a point) but I think it’s true so now it’s fact!

[Cypresshill]

Doing OT as a rep is controversial for some, less so for others as long the rep does their ALPA work diligently. GR was NGC for a reason. He was selected above all others to do this important work. He only left due to CB’s complete disregard for transparency to the MEC.

Doing OT is called earning your own money. Raiding union dues for every possible penny that can be claimed or spent is
graft.

Oh and the TV wasn’t 40k as someone mentioned somewhere. It was 50K.

[Cypresshill]

CB is not necessary to complete the ULP work. Not only did he say so himself to everyone, changes at the top of organizations happen all the time. It just happened at Jazz in fact. The sky didn’t fall. And the sky won’t fall once CB is recalled or resigns or is voted out.

Those who think only he can get this done are suffering a mental condition akin to hostages sympathizing with their captors

[cdnavater]

CB is not necessary to complete the ULP work. Not only did he say so himself to everyone, changes at the top of organizations happen all the time. It just happened at Jazz in fact. The sky didn’t fall. And the sky won’t fall once CB is recalled or resigns or is voted out.

Those who think only he can get this done are suffering a mental condition akin to hostages sympathizing with their captors

Tell me the plan, who will replace him?
If you think replacing him will not slow the process down or possibly jeopardize it because it will take time to get up to speed for any new blood!
If your plan is the replace CR with GR, then hell to the fu cken NO

[Cypresshill]

Who said anything about GR being chair? Sounds like someone lives rent free in your head dude.

[cdnavater]

Who said anything about GR being chair? Sounds like someone lives rent free in your head dude.

I asked, what the PLAN WAS! What’s your plan? Who will replace CB?
Or is it just get rid of him with no plan?

[Cypresshill]

Who is CR? You mean CB?

If it comes to a recall vote at some point, that’s when we will know the plan. If it gets to a vote, it will most likely be because the votes are there to recall and the plan is in place I assume.

When CB was first voted in, by recall, that’s pretty much how it happened.

GR has never run for chairman btw. He could have many times over the years. So this idea that he wants CB’s position is without foundation.

[Nick678]

Most of the work CB has done recently has not gone well. Can someone name something he has done that was seen as a success?

- Last MOS was voted in at a dismal 60 something percent, had concessions. Most said the company would be back to table, Jazz has just shrunk since.
- Scab airlines DOH merger with no vote. Exclusivity was violated. And most of those pilots flowed to AC before waiting jazz pilots or went to porter.
- 17 year deal in general, I do understand there was pressure behind this one.
- Removal of the schedule look up feature, so those on release could take OT without oversight.

He needs to go.

[QKZXKV]

I’m not a fan of CB in the slightest but how do these expenses compare to other pilot unions? Factoring the size of the pilot group to others.

Hopefully after the ULP is settled he just steps down.

Mob bosses never step down!

[Man_in_the_sky]

Most of the work CB has done recently has not gone well. Can someone name something he has done that was seen as a success?

- Last MOS was voted in at a dismal 60 something percent, had concessions. Most said the company would be back to table, Jazz has just shrunk since.
- Scab airlines DOH merger with no vote. Exclusivity was violated. And most of those pilots flowed to AC before waiting jazz pilots or went to porter.
- 17 year deal in general, I do understand there was pressure behind this one.
- Removal of the schedule look up feature, so those on release could take OT without oversight.

He needs to go.

Who ever gets to vote if people keeps their DOH.

The jet wouldn’t fly themself. You need trained pilot, specially if you don’t have the trainers and training program to launch it yourself.

Porter offered DEC program for anyone with a type rating because they were in the situation you would of been if that vote didn’t pass.

Company was smart and would not risk it, and ultimately, alpa decided it was the best thing to do.

[cdnavater]

Most of the work CB has done recently has not gone well. Can someone name something he has done that was seen as a success?

- Last MOS was voted in at a dismal 60 something percent, had concessions. Most said the company would be back to table, Jazz has just shrunk since.
- Scab airlines DOH merger with no vote. Exclusivity was violated. And most of those pilots flowed to AC before waiting jazz pilots or went to porter.
- 17 year deal in general, I do understand there was pressure behind this one.
- Removal of the schedule look up feature, so those on release could take OT without oversight.

He needs to go.

- It was the young/newer pilots that mostly said turn it down and they’ll come back with more, the more rational said take what’s on the table and maybe they’ll come back when they realize it doesn’t fix it, no possible way to know who was right. They didn’t come back, it hasn’t fixed, so was there more, doesn’t appear so.
- Scab airline DOH was the only way, the federal labour law about the right to follow the work would have kicked in, besides setting precedent for future list mergers, still in play!
- The long term contract has served its purpose, it was originally envisioned to secure labour stability and costs to rid the industry of scab airlines, it worked until AC decided to violate the agreed terms! ULP should hopefully remedy this!
- Last po8nt about the schedule lookup is quite ironic, it is completely because of the actions of GR, the current instigator of the recall, he was protected from mounting anger and potential recall himself!

I will be quite happy to see some new blood in the exec but I am quite happy to wait out the ULP proceedings and the idiots going on about CR not being needed are just talking out of their asses but to be factual I don’t know either. I’d would prefer not to find out the hard way!

[Cypresshill]

A message from your JAZ 220 FO rep


To the pilots of the Montreal base,

The current situation inside our local YUL council is simply unsustainable for me. I still believe to have made the best decisions for the pilot group but refuse to lower myself to personal attacks.

I am therefore resigning from my position as first officer rep and council 220 Vice Chair.

Thanks again for electing me back in the fall of 2023, it was a pleasure to work for you.

[Cypresshill]

Sounds like his inbox was over-flowing with demands to do the right thing, not run cover for CB.

Change is coming, one domino at a time.

[cdnavater]

Sounds like his inbox was over-flowing with demands to do the right thing, not run cover for CB.

Change is coming, one domino at a time.

Is that the change you wanted, I haven’t looked but I’m pretty sure he was post 2015 hire, therefore a voice for the newer younger pilots!
Was he doing a good job but because he refused to sink to the deplorable methods being used by the other rep, he is persona non grata?
I say let’s dismantle the entire MEC and start over, get rid of all of them!

[Cypresshill]

Not sure we have that many 10 year FOs left so I’m pretty sure another “younger generation” pilot will fill that spot eventually.

This is less a reflection of any work he did. It’s the current ethical thing he should have been doing now for his dues paying pilots that he failed to do I assume.

Rudder has put it very well in several posts. See above and previous pages.

[Cypresshill]

Start dismantling it then! In your base.

[ant_321]

I don’t have a dog in the fight but just curious. How many pilots are on full release only doing union work at Jazz? Maybe the guy is doing good work but I wouldn’t be happy if someone was spending that much of my money either. I don’t see any reason why anyone would need to basically live in a hotel to do union work.

[Fowler]

Only the Executive President, Vice President, Secretary and Treasurer are on full flight release.

[Canoehead]

The collective agreement provides for 200 Credits per bid period of F/R for the MEC Exec.
How does 4 x 85 add up? I understand if we are in a time of Negots or whatever, but aside from the internal issues, things seem to be somewhat non-urgent at the moment. I think they've been on full F/R since around MOS 4.

How does this compare to the other MEC's?

[VomitComet]

Sounds like his inbox was over-flowing with demands to do the right thing, not run cover for CB.

Change is coming, one domino at a time.

Sounds more like he stepped down because he chose family and personal integrity over what’s happening, and he points out YUL council specifically, not the MEC council or exec.

GR barely passed his last two elections. 4 votes if memory serves. People i fly with are equally if not more pissed with GR. So change is definitely coming.

[Cypresshill]

There is only integrity. Not “personal integrity”. Just like there is only the truth. Not this “my truth” stuff.

The attempts at misdirection to make this about GR instead of CB are obvious, and laughable.

I agree that change is coming.

[AllthatJazz]

I have a YYZ sit tomorrow...can any pilot borrow the Lincoln SUV? I could use it...

DM me if you're more comfortable or maybe I should just email Claude if someone can forward his email/phone

Also, can Jazz pilots host parties with that kitchen? Be great for events/parties

[cdnavater]

I have a YYZ sit tomorrow...can any pilot borrow the Lincoln SUV? I could use it...

DM me if you're more comfortable or maybe I should just email Claude if someone can forward his email/phone

Also, can Jazz pilots host parties with that kitchen? Be great for events/parties

Simple answer to the Lincoln, no! If you were entitled to rent a car and expense it to the union, then yes!
If you start a committee that is approved by the union and benefits Jazz pilots in some way, yes, you could probably borrow the kitchen!
Idiot!

[PostmasterGeneral]

I have a YYZ sit tomorrow...can any pilot borrow the Lincoln SUV? I could use it...

DM me if you're more comfortable or maybe I should just email Claude if someone can forward his email/phone

Also, can Jazz pilots host parties with that kitchen? Be great for events/parties

Simple answer to the Lincoln, no! If you were entitled to rent a car and expense it to the union, then yes!
If you start a committee that is approved by the union and benefits Jazz pilots in some way, yes, you could probably borrow the kitchen!
Idiot!

The way you keep defending these expenditures is a bit ludicrous. Just because they were “approved” doesn’t mean they were legitimate.

[ant_321]

The collective agreement provides for 200 Credits per bid period of F/R for the MEC Exec.
How does 4 x 85 add up? I understand if we are in a time of Negots or whatever, but aside from the internal issues, things seem to be somewhat non-urgent at the moment. I think they've been on full F/R since around MOS 4.

How does this compare to the other MEC's?

Seems like a lot to me. At SWG we had 0 members on full flight release for a membership of about 500. As far as I know we never had anyone on full release. But I could be wrong.