Do we have a commuting policy now?

[lowoleo22]

Thanks but I think it's not for me. I already spend too much of my life sitting around airports not getting paid.
I read unemployment is now at 10% so I will wait for economic collapse and housing bubble to pop.

If you think during an economic collapse you're still going to have a job to afford that house good luck to you sir.

[itsgrosswhatinet]

I don't know if drop with no credit is much of a commuting policy. It's just a promise not to get you in trouble for trying to get to work. Reading this thread makes it seem like it's not even that if people are saying things like 'I wouldn't risk it'.

Wait until you hear some pilot contracts have free confirmed business class tickets for commuters. How can they afford this? Because it costs them almost nothing. Business class usually has empty seats that only get filled by upgrades.

[Me262]

I don't know if drop with no credit is much of a commuting policy. It's just a promise not to get you in trouble for trying to get to work. Reading this thread makes it seem like it's not even that if people are saying things like 'I wouldn't risk it'.

Literally no airline in the world drops with credit on a missed commute. I don't see what there is to risk or not risk with ours as it's pretty much the same policy verbatim as most other airlines. The only room for improvement is the "prudent judgment" line which could possibly be interpreted in different ways. Delta for example is black and white on flights needing to either show an available seat within 24 hours given the pilot's seniority or have a jumpseat available.

Wizz Air, a ULCC in Europe offers confirmed tickets 4x a month round-trip for free.

Keep living in the bubble that this is the best we can get when it comes to commuting. Because there's "ton" of room for improvement

[Daniel Cooper]

Just call sick if you don't get on. That's what my buddy's been doing for years now. Or so he claims. RP on WB soon to turn FO if that matters.

How many credits do you get if you don't get on your flight and book off?

[Blueontop]

Just call sick if you don't get on. That's what my buddy's been doing for years now. Or so he claims. RP on WB soon to turn FO if that matters.

How many credits do you get if you don't get on your flight and book off?

All of em. If booked of “sick”

[Canoehead]

Just call sick if you don't get on. That's what my buddy's been doing for years now. Or so he claims. RP on WB soon to turn FO if that matters.

How many credits do you get if you don't get on your flight and book off?

All of em. If booked of “sick”

Not a smart thing to do. Lots of eyes on that stuff. It might be random but eventually it catches up, and that can be viewed as time theft.

All the ALPA dues in the world won't help there.

[AV80R]

Bringing the Labour Minister with you to negotiate a contract like you're The Godfather and he's Luca Brasi is theft. All good will and going the extra mile for this company is over.

[Blueontop]

How many credits do you get if you don't get on your flight and book off?

All of em. If booked of “sick”

Not a smart thing to do. Lots of eyes on that stuff. It might be random but eventually it catches up, and that can be viewed as time theft.

All the ALPA dues in the world won't help there.

Ahuh. Whatever. In the end it’s on the company to prove one wasn’t actually sick. Prove one wasn’t actually feeling fit to fly. Sorry but precedent is pretty much ironclad in protecting employees who call in sick and especially pilots in particular.. your comment comes off as management fear mongering or company shill.

[digits_]

All of em. If booked of “sick”

Not a smart thing to do. Lots of eyes on that stuff. It might be random but eventually it catches up, and that can be viewed as time theft.

All the ALPA dues in the world won't help there.

Ahuh. Whatever. In the end it’s on the company to prove one wasn’t actually sick. Prove one wasn’t actually feeling fit to fly. Sorry but precedent is pretty much ironclad in protecting employees who call in sick and especially pilots in particular.. your comment comes off as management fear mongering or company shill.

Hmz... A defense that depends on the opposite party not knowing the truth doesn't sound very ironclad to me....

It's also the fastest way to ensure the ironclad protections will evaporate quickly!

[Canoehead]

Ahuh. Whatever. In the end it’s on the company to prove one wasn’t actually sick. Prove one wasn’t actually feeling fit to fly. Sorry but precedent is pretty much ironclad in protecting employees who call in sick and especially pilots in particular.. your comment comes off as management fear mongering or company shill.

Your comment is naive.

And no, not management nor a shill. Just one who's been around a while.

[Bede]

Ahuh. Whatever. In the end it’s on the company to prove one wasn’t actually sick. Prove one wasn’t actually feeling fit to fly. Sorry but precedent is pretty much ironclad in protecting employees who call in sick and especially pilots in particular.. your comment comes off as management fear mongering or company shill.

Terrible advice. Grievance arbitrations are determined on a balance of probabilities. If you think that you can convince an arbitrator that you legitimately got sick after you were at the airport, got denied a JS, and therefore couldn't get to work, I wish you all the best.

Perhaps you can share with us these "ironclad" precedents that you speak of.

[CaptDukeNukem]

Ahuh. Whatever. In the end it’s on the company to prove one wasn’t actually sick. Prove one wasn’t actually feeling fit to fly. Sorry but precedent is pretty much ironclad in protecting employees who call in sick and especially pilots in particular.. your comment comes off as management fear mongering or company shill.

Terrible advice. Grievance arbitrations are determined on a balance of probabilities. If you think that you can convince an arbitrator that you legitimately got sick after you were at the airport, got denied a JS, and therefore couldn't get to work, I wish you all the best.

Perhaps you can share with us these "ironclad" precedents that you speak of.

I don’t know bede. Have you ever eaten the plaza premium lounge food? Getting sick past security is almost a coin toss these days.

[Launchpad1]

Anyone know if our commuting policy also covers ground travel?

I'm sure I remember reading, when the negotiations were ongoing, that commuting by ground would not be discriminated against.

If say you live in Quebec City and are commuting by car to Montreal and your car breaks down mid journey would you be covered?

I can't find any reference to such a thing in the contract but like I say I'm sure I read somewhere that ground travelling a long distance would also fall under commuting.

[Man_in_the_sky]

Anyone know if our commuting policy also covers ground travel?

I'm sure I remember reading, when the negotiations were ongoing, that commuting by ground would not be discriminated against.

If say you live in Quebec City and are commuting by car to Montreal and your car breaks down mid journey would you be covered?

I can't find any reference to such a thing in the contract but like I say I'm sure I read somewhere that ground travelling a long distance would also fall under commuting.

there is no language on it. You could be lucky and get a friendly MLO who will drop your flying, or a shitty crew skeduler who will penalize you.