Does anyone know what the MEC is actually trying to get out of the ULP?

[NSFly]

Like the title says. Does anyone know what the MEC is actually trying to get out of this process? Will it benefit everyone, a select few? Would love to know

[hithere]

There is a roadshow by the exec, negots committee and ALPA legal next week that will answer these questions. They will visit each base. If you are a Jazz pilot I suggest you attend. If you are not, wait until the completion of the road shows next Friday and someone here will enlighten you.

[truedude]

Like the title says. Does anyone know what the MEC is actually trying to get out of this process? Will it benefit everyone, a select few? Would love to know

Sounds like we will all know by September... It will either be a negotiated 4 party agreement, or an imposed decision by the CIRB which will be binding on all parties.

[Man_in_the_sky]

Like the title says. Does anyone know what the MEC is actually trying to get out of this process? Will it benefit everyone, a select few? Would love to know

Sounds like we will all know by September... It will either be a negotiated 4 party agreement, or an imposed decision by the CIRB which will be binding on all parties.

What's happening in Sept ?

We know company is meeting twice in July but that's the only intel we have so far

[truedude]

Like the title says. Does anyone know what the MEC is actually trying to get out of this process? Will it benefit everyone, a select few? Would love to know

Sounds like we will all know by September... It will either be a negotiated 4 party agreement, or an imposed decision by the CIRB which will be binding on all parties.

What's happening in Sept ?

We know company is meeting twice in July but that's the only intel we have so far

Well we know if there is no agreement, the last day turns to a case conference and then on to the litigation part of things. So you are right, September might be ambitious, but by the end of the year this will be done. And this is currently top priority for the CIRB.

[Inverted2]

I expect to get exactly f&€£ all. AC doesn’t lose.

[truedude]

I expect to get exactly f&€£ all. AC doesn’t lose.

The fact that they tried to walk out several times and were told no, means they already lost. We might just not find the result as satisfying as we might like it to be.

[KenoraPilot]

I expect to get exactly f&€£ all. AC doesn’t lose.

The fact that they tried to walk out several times and were told no, means they already lost. We might just not find the result as satisfying as we might like it to be.

THIS!

[CaptDukeNukem]

I’m shocked people still think they are getting something out of this. I was there for that BS. It sucked. So I left.

[truedude]

I’m shocked people still think they are getting something out of this. I was there for that BS. It sucked. So I left.

Yes, we will be getting something.

[Man_in_the_sky]

I’m shocked people still think they are getting something out of this. I was there for that BS. It sucked. So I left.

Yes, we will be getting something.

People are hoping for a reinstatement of seniority on AC list, realistic people expect a big one time payment with a generic email.

[cdnavater]

I’m shocked people still think they are getting something out of this. I was there for that BS. It sucked. So I left.

Yes, we will be getting something.

People are hoping for a reinstatement of seniority on AC list, realistic people expect a big one time payment with a generic email.

I’m hoping for the pay that was negotiated before the AC interference, what they do about the seniority issue, lump sum, etc… could care less!

[Man_in_the_sky]

Yes, we will be getting something.

People are hoping for a reinstatement of seniority on AC list, realistic people expect a big one time payment with a generic email.

I’m hoping for the pay that was negotiated before the AC interference, what they do about the seniority issue, lump sum, etc… could care less!

Wouldn't you be happy to know the MEC protected their member ? It would improve hiring attractivity knowing MEC fought for it. But as I read, as long as YOU get something, you will be happy. Not the old member, not the next member...

[cdnavater]

People are hoping for a reinstatement of seniority on AC list, realistic people expect a big one time payment with a generic email.

I’m hoping for the pay that was negotiated before the AC interference, what they do about the seniority issue, lump sum, etc… could care less!

Wouldn't you be happy to know the MEC protected their member ? It would improve hiring attractivity knowing MEC fought for it. But as I read, as long as YOU get something, you will be happy. Not the old member, not the next member...

Then your reading comprehension is wrong, you see if I get something, all current Jazz pilots get something. It’s not like the contract will single me out and give ME the raise. When I said I’m hoping for, I can’t speak for anyone but myself so I said I’m, got it!
I’m sure you, the collective you must be hoping for something other than what I’m hoping for, otherwise, thank you for the well wishes.
Be honest, as one who lost seniority and apparently the consensus is you(collective) are the only ones who lost anything, do you care or even want current Jazz pilots and I mean all of us, not just the junior non green circle pilots, to get anything! Or would you prefer all the reparations went to you?

[Man_in_the_sky]

I’m hoping for the pay that was negotiated before the AC interference, what they do about the seniority issue, lump sum, etc… could care less!

Wouldn't you be happy to know the MEC protected their member ? It would improve hiring attractivity knowing MEC fought for it. But as I read, as long as YOU get something, you will be happy. Not the old member, not the next member...

Then your reading comprehension is wrong, you see if I get something, all current Jazz pilots get something. It’s not like the contract will single me out and give ME the raise. When I said I’m hoping for, I can’t speak for anyone but myself so I said I’m, got it!
I’m sure you, the collective you must be hoping for something other than what I’m hoping for, otherwise, thank you for the well wishes.
Be honest, as one who lost seniority and apparently the consensus is you(collective) are the only ones who lost anything, do you care or even want current Jazz pilots and I mean all of us, not just the junior non green circle pilots, to get anything! Or would you prefer all the reparations went to you?

The damage done to the 285 pilots should be compensated for the 285 pilots.

If there is anything else proven damaging, this compensation should go to those affected.

[cdnavater]

Wouldn't you be happy to know the MEC protected their member ? It would improve hiring attractivity knowing MEC fought for it. But as I read, as long as YOU get something, you will be happy. Not the old member, not the next member...

Then your reading comprehension is wrong, you see if I get something, all current Jazz pilots get something. It’s not like the contract will single me out and give ME the raise. When I said I’m hoping for, I can’t speak for anyone but myself so I said I’m, got it!
I’m sure you, the collective you must be hoping for something other than what I’m hoping for, otherwise, thank you for the well wishes.
Be honest, as one who lost seniority and apparently the consensus is you(collective) are the only ones who lost anything, do you care or even want current Jazz pilots and I mean all of us, not just the junior non green circle pilots, to get anything! Or would you prefer all the reparations went to you?

The damage done to the 285 pilots should be compensated for the 285 pilots.

If there is anything else proven damaging, this compensation should go to those affected.

Thanks for proving my point!
You will find out very soon which group was most affected by AC actions, hint, it’s not your group but of course you will say it’s because CB wasn’t looking out for your group because in your mind, only you(285) were affected!

[goingnowherefast]

No matter what comes out of it, JAZ MEC objected. They didn't roll over and let anyone steamroll the pilots.

Everyone isn't going to be happy, but at least AC management isn't getting away with their dirty tricks without consequence.

[Man_in_the_sky]

Then your reading comprehension is wrong, you see if I get something, all current Jazz pilots get something. It’s not like the contract will single me out and give ME the raise. When I said I’m hoping for, I can’t speak for anyone but myself so I said I’m, got it!
I’m sure you, the collective you must be hoping for something other than what I’m hoping for, otherwise, thank you for the well wishes.
Be honest, as one who lost seniority and apparently the consensus is you(collective) are the only ones who lost anything, do you care or even want current Jazz pilots and I mean all of us, not just the junior non green circle pilots, to get anything! Or would you prefer all the reparations went to you?

The damage done to the 285 pilots should be compensated for the 285 pilots.

If there is anything else proven damaging, this compensation should go to those affected.

Thanks for proving my point!
You will find out very soon which group was most affected by AC actions, hint, it’s not your group but of course you will say it’s because CB wasn’t looking out for your group because in your mind, only you(285) were affected!

The fact that there is ''only'' 285 pilots doesn't mean that the damage is less. Imagine losing 500 numbers, look up when the upgrade is pushed, look up your pension difference, look up every schedule you could of had. That is a huge damage.

[cdnavater]

The damage done to the 285 pilots should be compensated for the 285 pilots.

If there is anything else proven damaging, this compensation should go to those affected.

Thanks for proving my point!
You will find out very soon which group was most affected by AC actions, hint, it’s not your group but of course you will say it’s because CB wasn’t looking out for your group because in your mind, only you(285) were affected!

The fact that there is ''only'' 285 pilots doesn't mean that the damage is less. Imagine losing 500 numbers, look up when the upgrade is pushed, look up your pension difference, look up every schedule you could of had. That is a huge damage.

You’re missing the point, your group seems to think you were the only ones affected, you completely discount years and years of accumulated degradation of our collective and not to mention the inability to put pressure on the company with a strike vote. You continue to blame us for accepting a long term contract without acknowledging your part in it and by your I’m referring to the collective group of pilots who undercut us and accepted the lower pay in the name of if I don’t someone will justification.
We can’t strike because AC demanded a contract that took that away otherwise the message was clear, we would simply become a dying company and all new work would go to the new scab airline.
So while I agree you have been affected, when you make comments like, “if damage is proven” it shows me that you feel Jazz pilots still here were not affected, ie; you need some kind of proof.
As for your damage, I would say ACPA(intentional) is going to hold back your potential award because there is very little chance 285 Air Canada pilots get something the other 5500ish don’t get, you can expect anything you might get will be in the form of all AC pilots getting something.
Jazz ALPA is going to be looking out for Jazz pilots more than former Jazz pilots, to think otherwise is extremely naive!

[Man_in_the_sky]

ACA ALPA isnt the one definding our interest, JZA ALPA is... I actually spent time talking with those involved and you are right, ACA ALPA is defending the whole roster, not only the 285.

[Nick678]

ACA ALPA isnt the one definding our interest, JZA ALPA is... I actually spent time talking with those involved and you are right, ACA ALPA is defending the whole roster, not only the 285.

Last I heard it needs to be a 4 party solution and I can’t see these groups agreeing to a lunch order. Likely a CIRB imposed solution, and they do have the power to modify seniority lists.

[Man_in_the_sky]

ACA ALPA isnt the one definding our interest, JZA ALPA is... I actually spent time talking with those involved and you are right, ACA ALPA is defending the whole roster, not only the 285.

Last I heard it needs to be a 4 party solution and I can’t see these groups agreeing to a lunch order. Likely a CIRB imposed solution, and they do have the power to modify seniority lists.

As much as Id like a seniority solution, opening that can of worm is not a good idea.

[PostmasterGeneral]

ACA ALPA isnt the one definding our interest, JZA ALPA is... I actually spent time talking with those involved and you are right, ACA ALPA is defending the whole roster, not only the 285.

Last I heard it needs to be a 4 party solution and I can’t see these groups agreeing to a lunch order. Likely a CIRB imposed solution, and they do have the power to modify seniority lists.

No they don’t. You still haven’t been able to cite a source. It’s a lofty goal, but repeating it over and over isn’t going to make it true.

[truedude]

ACA ALPA isnt the one definding our interest, JZA ALPA is... I actually spent time talking with those involved and you are right, ACA ALPA is defending the whole roster, not only the 285.

Last I heard it needs to be a 4 party solution and I can’t see these groups agreeing to a lunch order. Likely a CIRB imposed solution, and they do have the power to modify seniority lists.

No they don’t. You still haven’t been able to cite a source. It’s a lofty goal, but repeating it over and over isn’t going to make it true.

Yes they can. Why do you think AC filed for intervener status. Because they were told a decision could be made that impacted their interests

[PostmasterGeneral]

Last I heard it needs to be a 4 party solution and I can’t see these groups agreeing to a lunch order. Likely a CIRB imposed solution, and they do have the power to modify seniority lists.

No they don’t. You still haven’t been able to cite a source. It’s a lofty goal, but repeating it over and over isn’t going to make it true.

Yes they can. Why do you think AC filed for intervener status. Because they were told a decision could be made that impacted their interests

At least it won’t impact the interests of the AC pilots, who cares what happens to the company.