From TSB...
C-FRQY, a privately registered Piper PA-22-150 departed Springhouse Airpark (CAQ4), BC, on a
recreational flight, under visual flight rules, to an unnamed private airstrip (52 30 33.3 N, 122 28
39.47W), BC, with only the pilot on board. While landing at the destination, the aircraft bounced
due to the uneven surface of the grass runway. When the aircraft touched down after the bounce,
braking was applied and the aircraft nosed over. The aircraft came to rest inverted on the runway.
The pilot was able to egress the aircraft without assistance. There were no injuries. The aircraft
was substantially damaged.
The aircraft sustained damage to the propeller, spinner, engine cowling, vertical stabilizer, and
rudder. The aircraft was removed from the runway and will be assessed.
Watch the brakes on touchdown. And keep the elevator up on rollout.
Taildragger Noseover/Groundloop Thread
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Re: Taildragger Noseover/Groundloop Thread
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From TSB...
C-GZAU, a privately registered Maule M-7-260C, was conducting a flight from a private grass
runway in Caledon, ON, to Brussels Aerodrome (CPD4), ON, with the pilot and one passenger on
board. Following a normal approach to runway 22, the aircraft touched down hard on the runway.
The pilot was unable to maintain control of the aircraft, which exited the right side of the runway
into a plowed field, where it spun 180 degrees as the right main landing gear collapsed. The pilot
was uninjured, while the passenger received a minor injury. The aircraft was substantially
damaged; the right landing gear had collapsed, the right wing tip was damaged, the right wing strut
was bent, and the propeller was damaged from contact with the ground.
C-GZAU, a privately registered Maule M-7-260C, was conducting a flight from a private grass
runway in Caledon, ON, to Brussels Aerodrome (CPD4), ON, with the pilot and one passenger on
board. Following a normal approach to runway 22, the aircraft touched down hard on the runway.
The pilot was unable to maintain control of the aircraft, which exited the right side of the runway
into a plowed field, where it spun 180 degrees as the right main landing gear collapsed. The pilot
was uninjured, while the passenger received a minor injury. The aircraft was substantially
damaged; the right landing gear had collapsed, the right wing tip was damaged, the right wing strut
was bent, and the propeller was damaged from contact with the ground.
Re: Taildragger Noseover/Groundloop Thread
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A couple in today's report that were actually hard landings. No details on if they were trying full stall landings and somehow dropped it in after stalling when too high....
CF-KMD, a privately registered Globe Aircraft Corporation GC-1B (Swift) departed Qualicum
Beach Airport (CAT4), BC, on a local recreational flight, under visual flight rules, with the pilot and
1 passenger on board. As part of the landing sequence, the pilot leveled the aircraft above the
runway in the flare prior to touchdown. Shortly after the level off, the aircraft descended rapidly to
the surface. The main gear contacted the runway and then collapsed. The aircraft came to a stop
on the runway and the occupants evacuated. The pilot attempted to extinguish the post-crash fire
with the aircraft’s on-board fire extinguisher but was unsuccessful. The post-crash fire consumed
the cockpit area. Neither occupant were injured. The aircraft was destroyed.
Emergency Services responded to the occurrence site and the fire department extinguished the
flames. The wreckage was removed by the airport authority and repairs were required to area of
the runway damaged by the fire.
C-FDMT, a privately registered Piper PA-18-150 (Super Cub) departed the Upper Cache airstrip
(56° 24' N, 121° 30' W), BC, on a recreational flight, under visual flight rules, for the abandoned
airstrip at Prophet River (57° 58’ N, 122° 47’ W), BC, with the pilot and 1 passenger on board. After
completing their runway inspection, the pilot set up for a landing. During the flare, the aircraft lost
lift which resulted in a hard landing. The landing gear collapsed and the aircraft came to a stop on
its belly. The pilot secured the aircraft and both occupants egressed without injury. The aircraft was
substantially damaged.
In addition to the damage to the landing gear, there was a propeller strike and damage to the left
wing tip.
...From TSB.
CF-KMD, a privately registered Globe Aircraft Corporation GC-1B (Swift) departed Qualicum
Beach Airport (CAT4), BC, on a local recreational flight, under visual flight rules, with the pilot and
1 passenger on board. As part of the landing sequence, the pilot leveled the aircraft above the
runway in the flare prior to touchdown. Shortly after the level off, the aircraft descended rapidly to
the surface. The main gear contacted the runway and then collapsed. The aircraft came to a stop
on the runway and the occupants evacuated. The pilot attempted to extinguish the post-crash fire
with the aircraft’s on-board fire extinguisher but was unsuccessful. The post-crash fire consumed
the cockpit area. Neither occupant were injured. The aircraft was destroyed.
Emergency Services responded to the occurrence site and the fire department extinguished the
flames. The wreckage was removed by the airport authority and repairs were required to area of
the runway damaged by the fire.
C-FDMT, a privately registered Piper PA-18-150 (Super Cub) departed the Upper Cache airstrip
(56° 24' N, 121° 30' W), BC, on a recreational flight, under visual flight rules, for the abandoned
airstrip at Prophet River (57° 58’ N, 122° 47’ W), BC, with the pilot and 1 passenger on board. After
completing their runway inspection, the pilot set up for a landing. During the flare, the aircraft lost
lift which resulted in a hard landing. The landing gear collapsed and the aircraft came to a stop on
its belly. The pilot secured the aircraft and both occupants egressed without injury. The aircraft was
substantially damaged.
In addition to the damage to the landing gear, there was a propeller strike and damage to the left
wing tip.
...From TSB.
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Be ready to quickly ADD power and go-around. It can do miracles for directional control...
C-FLRZ, a privately registered Champion 7GC was operating on a local flight from Lacombe
Aerodrome (CEG3), AB. While on final approach for RWY 35, the pilot experienced WNW winds
which were approximately 15 knots gusting to 25 knots. The pilot landed the aircraft and during the
rollout, the aircraft began veering to the left. The pilot responded using full right rudder and full right
brake but was unable to maintain the runway centerline. The aircraft ran off the west side of the
runway and came to rest when it collided with a fence, approximately 112 feet from the edge of the
runway. The pilot and passenger were uninjured. The aircraft received significant damage to the
wings, wing struts and landing gear.
...from TSB.
C-FLRZ, a privately registered Champion 7GC was operating on a local flight from Lacombe
Aerodrome (CEG3), AB. While on final approach for RWY 35, the pilot experienced WNW winds
which were approximately 15 knots gusting to 25 knots. The pilot landed the aircraft and during the
rollout, the aircraft began veering to the left. The pilot responded using full right rudder and full right
brake but was unable to maintain the runway centerline. The aircraft ran off the west side of the
runway and came to rest when it collided with a fence, approximately 112 feet from the edge of the
runway. The pilot and passenger were uninjured. The aircraft received significant damage to the
wings, wing struts and landing gear.
...from TSB.
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From TSB...
C-FARV, a privately operated, amateur-built Van's Aircraft RV-3A was conducting crosswind
landing practice at Olds-Didsbury Aerodrome (CEA3), AB. On the third touch and go, the pilot lost
directional control during the take-off. The pilot attempted to abort the take-off and the aircraft
departed the left side of the runway and nosed over onto its top and came to a stop. The pilot
received serious injuries, and the aircraft received substantial damage. The pilot was extricated
from the aircraft by bystanders and was subsequently assessed by emergency services when they
arrived on site.
C-FARV, a privately operated, amateur-built Van's Aircraft RV-3A was conducting crosswind
landing practice at Olds-Didsbury Aerodrome (CEA3), AB. On the third touch and go, the pilot lost
directional control during the take-off. The pilot attempted to abort the take-off and the aircraft
departed the left side of the runway and nosed over onto its top and came to a stop. The pilot
received serious injuries, and the aircraft received substantial damage. The pilot was extricated
from the aircraft by bystanders and was subsequently assessed by emergency services when they
arrived on site.
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C-GAGL, a private Maule M-7-235C, on a local flight out of Edenvale, ON (CNV8), ground-looped
on landing, departed the runway off to the left approximately 1000 feet past the threshold. The
aircraft came to rest approximately 150 feet left of the Runway 31 centerline and suffered
extensive damage. There were no injuries amongst the 2 souls on board.
....from TSB.
on landing, departed the runway off to the left approximately 1000 feet past the threshold. The
aircraft came to rest approximately 150 feet left of the Runway 31 centerline and suffered
extensive damage. There were no injuries amongst the 2 souls on board.
....from TSB.
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From TSB.....
C-FGNZ, a privately registered Piper PA-20 Pacer with only the pilot on board, was on a flight from
Souris Glenwood Industrial Air Park (CJX5), MB, to Russell Airport (CJW5), MB. During the landing
sequence at CJW5, lateral control was lost and the aircraft departed the runway to the left. During
the runway excursion, the aircraft encountered soft snow conditions causing it to overturn on its
back. The aircraft sustained substantial damage. There were no injuries. There was no fire.
C-FGNZ, a privately registered Piper PA-20 Pacer with only the pilot on board, was on a flight from
Souris Glenwood Industrial Air Park (CJX5), MB, to Russell Airport (CJW5), MB. During the landing
sequence at CJW5, lateral control was lost and the aircraft departed the runway to the left. During
the runway excursion, the aircraft encountered soft snow conditions causing it to overturn on its
back. The aircraft sustained substantial damage. There were no injuries. There was no fire.
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From TSB....
C-FWGV, a privately registered amateur-built Bearhawk with the pilot and one passenger on
board, was departing for a flight from a private airstrip located 10 nautical miles east-southeast of
Winnipeg/St. Andrews Airport (CYAV), MB, to Gimli, MB. During the takeoff sequence from the
private airstrip, the pilot was unable to maintain runway heading and the left wing came into
contact with small trees along the south side of the east/west oriented airstrip. The aircraft
sustained substantial damage. There were no injuries. There was no fire.
C-FWGV, a privately registered amateur-built Bearhawk with the pilot and one passenger on
board, was departing for a flight from a private airstrip located 10 nautical miles east-southeast of
Winnipeg/St. Andrews Airport (CYAV), MB, to Gimli, MB. During the takeoff sequence from the
private airstrip, the pilot was unable to maintain runway heading and the left wing came into
contact with small trees along the south side of the east/west oriented airstrip. The aircraft
sustained substantial damage. There were no injuries. There was no fire.
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From TSB....
C-GFVY, a Cessna C185F operated by MHA Enterprises Ltd. (dba Alair), was conducting a VFR
flight from Winnipeg/St. Andrews Airport (CYAV), MB, to St. Theresa Point Airport (CYST), MB.
During the landing roll at CYST, directional control was lost, and the aircraft experienced a ground
loop resulting in the collapse of the left main landing gear with the left wing striking the runway
surface. The aircraft sustained substantial damage. There were no injuries.
C-GFVY, a Cessna C185F operated by MHA Enterprises Ltd. (dba Alair), was conducting a VFR
flight from Winnipeg/St. Andrews Airport (CYAV), MB, to St. Theresa Point Airport (CYST), MB.
During the landing roll at CYST, directional control was lost, and the aircraft experienced a ground
loop resulting in the collapse of the left main landing gear with the left wing striking the runway
surface. The aircraft sustained substantial damage. There were no injuries.
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From TSB...
C-FTBA, an Air Tractor AT-504 operated by Air Andrew Ltd. was conducting a VFR local training
flight from Virden (CYVD), MB with 2 crew. When the aircraft touched down on Runway 08, a tail
wheel shimmy was detected. The aircraft swerved right, exited the runway surface and ground
looped. There were no injuries to the 2 crew. There was substantial damage to the aircraft. The
ELT did not activate. The operator's maintenance found no defects with the tail wheel or the tail wheel lock.
C-FTBA, an Air Tractor AT-504 operated by Air Andrew Ltd. was conducting a VFR local training
flight from Virden (CYVD), MB with 2 crew. When the aircraft touched down on Runway 08, a tail
wheel shimmy was detected. The aircraft swerved right, exited the runway surface and ground
looped. There were no injuries to the 2 crew. There was substantial damage to the aircraft. The
ELT did not activate. The operator's maintenance found no defects with the tail wheel or the tail wheel lock.
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From TSB....
"C-GDAF, an amateur-built float equipped Murphy Rebel was being operated on a local flight 20
NM NW of Bonnyville Aerodrome (CYBF), AB. The pilot was landing towards the west on Conn
Lake and during touchdown directional control was lost. The aircraft subsequently overturned. The
pilot was able to egress and stood on the aircraft while rescue was arranged by an eyewitness.
The pilot was uninjured. It was noted that the winds were from the southeast at the time of the
landing."
"C-GDAF, an amateur-built float equipped Murphy Rebel was being operated on a local flight 20
NM NW of Bonnyville Aerodrome (CYBF), AB. The pilot was landing towards the west on Conn
Lake and during touchdown directional control was lost. The aircraft subsequently overturned. The
pilot was able to egress and stood on the aircraft while rescue was arranged by an eyewitness.
The pilot was uninjured. It was noted that the winds were from the southeast at the time of the
landing."
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Re: Taildragger Noseover/Groundloop Thread
I'd suggest the float equipped aircraft landed on a lake, hence the mention that it overturned and pilot egressed and then stood on the aircraft waiting to be rescued...
Re: Taildragger Noseover/Groundloop Thread
Thanks for the correction. I put this in the wrong thread as I did not read it thoroughly(which can make someone look foolish). Landing with a tailwind on floats is bad news as well. Someone did that at a local float base last year in a floatplane and it resulted in him getting close to shore, so he forced it on and seriously damaged the aircraft. While not necessarily an issue on land, the risks associated with landing with a tailwind in floatplanes and taildraggers are significantly higher in my opinion.
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From TSB....
"C-GRDY, a privately registered Cessna 180 was conducting a flight from Melfort/Miller Field
Aerodrome (CJZ3), SK, to Yorkton Regional Airport (CYQV), SK. While conducting a landing on
Runway 22 at CYQV with a 6-knot crosswind, the aircraft's tail swung around to the left on
touchdown causing the left wing to contact the runway, the left-wing fuel tank to rupture, the left
landing gear to fail, and the propeller to strike the ground. The fuel tank leak was plugged and
remaining fuel contained by airport rescue and firefighting. There was no post-accident fire. Both
the pilot and the passenger were able to exit the aircraft with no injuries."
The C180 can be a bit of a handful in a crosswind, apparently due to a lack of aileron authority to place into wind compared to some other taildraggers(or so I have been told by someone who has a lot of time in taildraggers known for groundlooping). The crosswind wasn't very strong in this case, so perhaps there was a gust(or poor technique) involved. But I did not fly the C180 in significant crosswinds back in the day, although it was operated from a narrow paved runway.
"C-GRDY, a privately registered Cessna 180 was conducting a flight from Melfort/Miller Field
Aerodrome (CJZ3), SK, to Yorkton Regional Airport (CYQV), SK. While conducting a landing on
Runway 22 at CYQV with a 6-knot crosswind, the aircraft's tail swung around to the left on
touchdown causing the left wing to contact the runway, the left-wing fuel tank to rupture, the left
landing gear to fail, and the propeller to strike the ground. The fuel tank leak was plugged and
remaining fuel contained by airport rescue and firefighting. There was no post-accident fire. Both
the pilot and the passenger were able to exit the aircraft with no injuries."
The C180 can be a bit of a handful in a crosswind, apparently due to a lack of aileron authority to place into wind compared to some other taildraggers(or so I have been told by someone who has a lot of time in taildraggers known for groundlooping). The crosswind wasn't very strong in this case, so perhaps there was a gust(or poor technique) involved. But I did not fly the C180 in significant crosswinds back in the day, although it was operated from a narrow paved runway.
