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Re: AME won’t sign my log book need some advice on what to do next.
So do the tasks.Jhawar97 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 29, 2025 12:38 pm Hello, I have been working as an AME M apprentice for about 4 years working towards getting my M1. I finished close to 70% of tasks and decided to ask the chief AME to look at it for signatures. I got about 50-60% of applicable tasks signed but he refused to sign the rest because he wants me to do the task 3 or 4 times and for some other tasks because I personally didn’t write the work order he thinks I didn’t do the work. Was thinking about moving to another company now to finish the log book. Need some advice on this. Also a note the company I work at told apprentices to fill out the log book and then get signatures at the end.
Legally speaking - an AME is not supposed to sign your logbook just because you've done something once...they are supposed to sign it once they are confident you can do the task with minimal input from them. Simply because you did one engine change doesn't mean you can do the second unsupervised. If the chief engineer did not witness you doing a task - then he shouldn't sign it, get the engineer who was supervising you to sign it.
I have personally not signed someone's logbook many times - even if I watched them do it because I was not confident they could do the task correctly on their own. It's not personal - sometimes some people need to do certain things more than once to know what they are doing.
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Signing For Completion of Maintenance Tasks for AME Licensing Purposes
STD 566.03(4)(e) Skill requirement states:
(ii) Proof of having completed aircraft maintenance tasks shall take the form of a certification by the AME, or equivalent person who supervised the work... and confirm that the applicant is able to:
(A) Identify the applicable standard for the task;
(B) Select the proper tools;
(C) Perform the work correctly without supervision; and
(D) Complete the necessary documentation.
By appending their signature and AME license or AMO number to a task performed by another, the signatory is certifying that they have personally observed the work to the extent necessary to ensure that it is performed in accordance with the requirements of any applicable standards of airworthiness, and that the individual that completed the work was competent to meet the requirements of STD 566.03(4)(e).
If the signatory was not suitably licensed, or deemed to be an equivalent person (i.e. having the same level of knowledge and experience as that of a licensed AME) at the time the task was performed, they are not qualified to sign for the task(s).
Both the AME applicant, and the individuals that sign for completion of tasks, are responsible for the accuracy of the statements made.
Documents presented by AME applicants that include inaccurate or false statements may be subject to enforcement. Certifications made by individuals who were not appropriately qualified or eligible to sign for the task at the time of its completion are considered to be false entries and may be subject to enforcement.
Signing For Completion of Maintenance Tasks for AME Licensing Purposes
STD 566.03(4)(e) Skill requirement states:
(ii) Proof of having completed aircraft maintenance tasks shall take the form of a certification by the AME, or equivalent person who supervised the work... and confirm that the applicant is able to:
(A) Identify the applicable standard for the task;
(B) Select the proper tools;
(C) Perform the work correctly without supervision; and
(D) Complete the necessary documentation.
By appending their signature and AME license or AMO number to a task performed by another, the signatory is certifying that they have personally observed the work to the extent necessary to ensure that it is performed in accordance with the requirements of any applicable standards of airworthiness, and that the individual that completed the work was competent to meet the requirements of STD 566.03(4)(e).
If the signatory was not suitably licensed, or deemed to be an equivalent person (i.e. having the same level of knowledge and experience as that of a licensed AME) at the time the task was performed, they are not qualified to sign for the task(s).
Both the AME applicant, and the individuals that sign for completion of tasks, are responsible for the accuracy of the statements made.
Documents presented by AME applicants that include inaccurate or false statements may be subject to enforcement. Certifications made by individuals who were not appropriately qualified or eligible to sign for the task at the time of its completion are considered to be false entries and may be subject to enforcement.
