Does anyone know what the MEC is actually trying to get out of the ULP?

[1759]

I've seen this before....how did it work out for the Air Ontario and Air BC pilots

[truedude]

I've seen this before....how did it work out for the Air Ontario and Air BC pilots

Different time, different situation, different facts. Things change.

[truedude]

I couldn't agree more with this but Claude is at the helm here. I haven't heard that common employer has been applied for but I have heard that Jazz MEC is trying to a get a full seniority integration for everyone at Jazz. This wasn't the originally ask and caught the ACA MEC off guard. Rumour of course. I guess I can't blame him for shooting for the stars but this would rattle a few pilots at AC.

That would definitely ruffle some feathers... But in the long run they would also have full control of all flying. Simply make an agreement that all teir 2 flying is forever staffed by ACA pilots. Take anyone without an ATPL and BOTL them; combine that with the number of pilots set to retire in the next 5 years... wouldnt take many fences to have the impact be nothing more than a small blip... Everything else would just be egos... but for that we have beer.

In a DOH seniority solution Jazz pilots would be now senior to former jazz pilots that came to AC in the past. I don't think this is a feasible solution. As a Jazz pilot this would be a lottery win though.

This is the ego I was speaking of...

[altiplano]

Keep dreamin bitches...

[Hangry]

[cdnavater]

Keep dreamin bitches...

Ok, let’s say the CIRB orders common employer and a merged list, what are you going to do about it? Oh no, it’s going to be a quiet flight deck, I prefer that anyway!
Seriously, nothing you say here or in the Crewroom will affect the outcome, your employer became our de facto employer by their actions and I’m sure the CIRB sees that. The remedy, yet to be determined could be any or all of the ideas presented here or very unlikely non!

[Man_in_the_sky]

Will the cirb cover the ULP before the return to work order under article 107, or they get expedited treatment because it affects the corporation’s bottom line.

[gqra]

Will the cirb cover the ULP before the return to work order under article 107, or they get expedited treatment because it affects the corporation’s bottom line.

Well considering the CIRB handed a decision down within one day on a SUNDAY and the ULP has been ongoing since the harm happened 3 years ago... what do you think?

[gqra]

Additionally now it's common knowledge that Air Canada's former legal counsel chairs the CIRB. I'm sure they have no vested interest in the outcome...

[Man_in_the_sky]

Will the cirb cover the ULP before the return to work order under article 107, or they get expedited treatment because it affects the corporation’s bottom line.

Well considering the CIRB handed a decision down within one day on a SUNDAY and the ULP has been ongoing since the harm happened 3 years ago... what do you think?

There was a bit of sarcasm

[Me262]

Additionally now it's common knowledge that Air Canada's former legal counsel chairs the CIRB. I'm sure they have no vested interest in the outcome...

Yup, CIRB is done. No reason to hold your breath

[Nick678]

Additionally now it's common knowledge that Air Canada's former legal counsel chairs the CIRB. I'm sure they have no vested interest in the outcome...

Yup, CIRB is done. No reason to hold your breath

ULP filed in the end of 2023… I don’t think anyone is holding their breath anymore. Maybe if the Jazz MEC didn’t wait a year to file the ULP it would be settled already.

[cdnavater]

Additionally now it's common knowledge that Air Canada's former legal counsel chairs the CIRB. I'm sure they have no vested interest in the outcome...

Yup, CIRB is done. No reason to hold your breath

ULP filed in the end of 2023… I don’t think anyone is holding their breath anymore. Maybe if the Jazz MEC didn’t wait a year to file the ULP it would be settled already.

They did not wait a year, they filed it the day after the contract was ratified

[Cypresshill]

……..and then returned to Hawaii!

[Nick678]

Yup, CIRB is done. No reason to hold your breath

ULP filed in the end of 2023… I don’t think anyone is holding their breath anymore. Maybe if the Jazz MEC didn’t wait a year to file the ULP it would be settled already.

They did not wait a year, they filed it the day after the contract was ratified

The new contract didn’t rectify the issues…. For those that were harmed and departed for AC, what did the new contract do for them?

That contract was a joke btw

[twa22]

ULP filed in the end of 2023… I don’t think anyone is holding their breath anymore. Maybe if the Jazz MEC didn’t wait a year to file the ULP it would be settled already.

They did not wait a year, they filed it the day after the contract was ratified

The new contract didn’t rectify the issues…. For those that were harmed and departed for AC, what did the new contract do for them?

That contract was a joke btw

It was a "sign it and when the problems don't get fixed, they'll come back with more!"

2 years later...

[cdnavater]

They did not wait a year, they filed it the day after the contract was ratified

The new contract didn’t rectify the issues…. For those that were harmed and departed for AC, what did the new contract do for them?

That contract was a joke btw

It was a "sign it and when the problems don't get fixed, they'll come back with more!"

2 years later...

So, what? You think if we said no, we could’ve done better?
We’ve shrunk and shrunk and the answer from the execs is to reduce the block hours, does that sound like a company that was willing to pay more.

[gqra]

Yup, CIRB is done. No reason to hold your breath

ULP filed in the end of 2023… I don’t think anyone is holding their breath anymore. Maybe if the Jazz MEC didn’t wait a year to file the ULP it would be settled already.

They did not wait a year, they filed it the day after the contract was ratified

They waited way too long as they were looking for a "negotiated solution". That's why we have a complicated ULP and a not a simple contract grievance.

And while we were waiting we got even more contract violations...

[Bede]

Many years ago when I was at Jazz, a wise old captain told me how he had turned down an offer from AC because everyone was sure that the CIRB would merge AO with AC and he'd get elevated seniority at AC.

Sounds a lot like this thread.

[truedude]

Many years ago when I was at Jazz, a wise old captain told me how he had turned down an offer from AC because everyone was sure that the CIRB would merge AO with AC and he'd get elevated seniority at AC.

Sounds a lot like this thread.

Things change. And so did ACs interference and direct intervention in contract talks. Besides, given Westjet ALPAs track record with the CIRB, I certainly wouldn't put to much faith on any opinions from anyone currently associated with WJ ALPA.

[Bede]

Many years ago when I was at Jazz, a wise old captain told me how he had turned down an offer from AC because everyone was sure that the CIRB would merge AO with AC and he'd get elevated seniority at AC.

Sounds a lot like this thread.

Things change. And so did ACs interference and direct intervention in contract talks. Besides, given Westjet ALPAs track record with the CIRB, I certainly wouldn't put to much faith on any opinions from anyone currently associated with WJ ALPA.

Nice ad hominem...

Anyways, I have no idea how this will play out, but there is one thing that I can virtually guarantee: that you will be disappointed with the outcome.

[Man_in_the_sky]

Many years ago when I was at Jazz, a wise old captain told me how he had turned down an offer from AC because everyone was sure that the CIRB would merge AO with AC and he'd get elevated seniority at AC.

Sounds a lot like this thread.

Things change. And so did ACs interference and direct intervention in contract talks. Besides, given Westjet ALPAs track record with the CIRB, I certainly wouldn't put to much faith on any opinions from anyone currently associated with WJ ALPA.

Nice ad hominem...

Anyways, I have no idea how this will play out, but there is one thing that I can virtually guarantee: that you will be disappointed with the outcome.

I dont think many of us expect seniority. just money