Glad we're doing our part during this labor crisis....

[JungleRiot]

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[lostaviator]

Gotta pay for all the IT mistakes somehow.

[Tbayer2021]

boohoo, god forbid an industry with razor thin profit margins try to fill their bag while they can.

[fish4life]

I think the fact the only options between 2 of the biggest cities in Canada require a connection tells you how few seats are left.

[JungleRiot]

boohoo, god forbid an industry with razor thin profit margins try to fill their bag while they can.

Here is your boot sir

[daedalusx]

boohoo, god forbid an industry with razor thin profit margins try to fill their bag while they can.

It’s only razor thin margins because of the incompetence of certain leaders and their wild windmill chasing (ie the entire cargo division).
Scalping your loyal customers to make up for your fuckups is a poor long term strategy.

[Blackdog0301]

This happens anytime there is high demand for seats. Are you new to the industry?

[Tbayer2021]

boohoo, god forbid an industry with razor thin profit margins try to fill their bag while they can.

It’s only razor thin margins because of the incompetence of certain leaders and their wild windmill chasing (ie the entire cargo division).
Scalping your loyal customers to make up for your fuckups is a poor long term strategy.

Yeah, no. Even the most profitable airlines have slim margins. Must be new to the airline industry.

[JungleRiot]

boohoo, god forbid an industry with razor thin profit margins try to fill their bag while they can.

It’s only razor thin margins because of the incompetence of certain leaders and their wild windmill chasing (ie the entire cargo division).
Scalping your loyal customers to make up for your fuckups is a poor long term strategy.

Yeah, no. Even the most profitable airlines have slim margins. Must be new to the airline industry.

Youre a classic example of a victim of corporate gas lighting. Keep drinking the corporate koolaid and maybe you can convince the rest of us that a lack of profit share was due to a delta jet flipping over in YYZ.

[mantogasrsrwy]

That pesky law of supply and demand!

[Tbayer2021]

It’s only razor thin margins because of the incompetence of certain leaders and their wild windmill chasing (ie the entire cargo division).
Scalping your loyal customers to make up for your fuckups is a poor long term strategy.

Yeah, no. Even the most profitable airlines have slim margins. Must be new to the airline industry.

Youre a classic example of a victim of corporate gas lighting. Keep drinking the corporate koolaid and maybe you can convince the rest of us that a lack of profit share was due to a delta jet flipping over in YYZ.

I don't work for WJ. I just recognize they're in it to make a profit and certainly don't have any fiduciary responsibility to their customers. Certainly not those who booked with AC and are looking for other options now. If you feel so strongly that companies shouldn't be able to turn a profit, there are plenty of countries you can move to that fit that ideology. One is just a 3 hour flight away. Nice try though.

[twa22]

boohoo, god forbid an industry with razor thin profit margins try to fill their bag while they can.

It’s only razor thin margins because of the incompetence of certain leaders and their wild windmill chasing (ie the entire cargo division).
Scalping your loyal customers to make up for your fuckups is a poor long term strategy.

Yeah, no. Even the most profitable airlines have slim margins. Must be new to the airline industry.

Have you been living under a cave? Have you seen the record profits major airlines around the world have been making the last few years?

[Tbayer2021]

It’s only razor thin margins because of the incompetence of certain leaders and their wild windmill chasing (ie the entire cargo division).
Scalping your loyal customers to make up for your fuckups is a poor long term strategy.

Yeah, no. Even the most profitable airlines have slim margins. Must be new to the airline industry.

Have you been living under a cave? Have you seen the record profits major airlines around the world have been making the last few years?

No I have not. Although I'm sure someone is charging a pretty penny on Airbnb for a cave. I just know how to read. "Record profit" means relative to themselves and the industry itself, not other industries or any insinuation that they're breaking absolute profit records across all businesses. As of 2025 the airline industry is literally a trillion dollar business and average profit margins stand at around 3.7%. There are players making more than that, sure. But not much more.

But don't take my word for it. Heres are IATA's numbers.

https://www.iata.org/en/pressroom/2025- ... -06-02-01/

[twa22]

Yeah, no. Even the most profitable airlines have slim margins. Must be new to the airline industry.

Have you been living under a cave? Have you seen the record profits major airlines around the world have been making the last few years?

No I have not. Although I'm sure someone is charging a pretty penny on Airbnb for a cave. I just know how to read. "Record profit" means relative to themselves and the industry itself, not other industries or any insinuation that they're breaking absolute profit records across all businesses. As of 2025 the airline industry is literally a trillion dollar business and average profit margins stand at around 3.7%. There are players making more than that, sure. But not much more.

But don't take my word for it. Heres are IATA's numbers.

https://www.iata.org/en/pressroom/2025- ... -06-02-01/

I've seen the numbers, be that as it may, a smaller percentage on a large number, is an even larger number... is billions in profit for the largest airlines not enough? If it's not, what's your argument?

[Tbayer2021]

Have you been living under a cave? Have you seen the record profits major airlines around the world have been making the last few years?

No I have not. Although I'm sure someone is charging a pretty penny on Airbnb for a cave. I just know how to read. "Record profit" means relative to themselves and the industry itself, not other industries or any insinuation that they're breaking absolute profit records across all businesses. As of 2025 the airline industry is literally a trillion dollar business and average profit margins stand at around 3.7%. There are players making more than that, sure. But not much more.

But don't take my word for it. Heres are IATA's numbers.

https://www.iata.org/en/pressroom/2025- ... -06-02-01/

I've seen the numbers, be that as it may, a smaller percentage on a large number, is an even larger number... is billions in profit for the largest airlines not enough? If it's not, what's your argument?

My argument is that airlines are a business. If they have an opportunity to make more money, they will take it. You already get paid more than 98% of Canadians, why do you want more? Its the same thing. And before someone takes that out of context, I'm not advocating that pilots should be happy with their pay and never strive for more. On the contrary, we need to fight for every penny we can get.

[cdnavater]

No I have not. Although I'm sure someone is charging a pretty penny on Airbnb for a cave. I just know how to read. "Record profit" means relative to themselves and the industry itself, not other industries or any insinuation that they're breaking absolute profit records across all businesses. As of 2025 the airline industry is literally a trillion dollar business and average profit margins stand at around 3.7%. There are players making more than that, sure. But not much more.

But don't take my word for it. Heres are IATA's numbers.

https://www.iata.org/en/pressroom/2025- ... -06-02-01/

I've seen the numbers, be that as it may, a smaller percentage on a large number, is an even larger number... is billions in profit for the largest airlines not enough? If it's not, what's your argument?

My argument is that airlines are a business. If they have an opportunity to make more money, they will take it. You already get paid more than 98% of Canadians, why do you want more? Its the same thing. And before someone takes that out of context, I'm not advocating that pilots should be happy with their pay and never strive for more. On the contrary, we need to fight for every penny we can get.

It’s funny, WJ is charging too much, Flair is charging too little, how about Airlines charge what people are willing to pay and who cares!
If you don’t want to pay 2400 for a one way milk run to YYZ, you won’t, last minute trips are usually a need too type situation and you’re going to pay what ever they are charging or you’re not going!

[planenuts]

I bet management is watching this closely. Our FA's contract is up in Dec and they have not started negotiations for their contract yet as they are awaiting the outcome of the AC one. If past experience with the other 3 groups is any indication - I feel we are next for another strike in the spring. The amount they will need to fork out vs what they will want to pay is going to be a large gap I think - especially the way they treat the WSP.

[DanWEC]

Whether basic pricing structure or AI, the last seats in a plane, bus, train, whatever are always at a premium. What's the news here?

[eyebrow737]

For those talking about profitable companies. Personally, I think that there isn't enough competition in Canada in that competition at the moment is highly regulated and manipulated by a variety of parties including the government.

Air Canada – Net Income (CAD m)

2015: + 308
2016: + 876
2017: + 2,038
2018: + 167
2019: + 1,476
Subtotal 2015–2019: + 4,865

2020: – 4,647
2021: – 3,600
2022: – 1,700
2023: + 2,276
2024: + 1,720
Total 2015–2024: – 86


WestJet – Net Income (CAD m)

2015: + 368
2016: + 295
2017: + 279
2018: + 92
2019: + 119 (Q3 only, full year not disclosed)
Subtotal 2015–2019: + 1,153

2020: n/a
2021: n/a
2022: n/a
2023: n/a
2024: n/a
Total 2015–2024: n/a (private company since 2019)

[fish4life]

For those talking about profitable companies. Personally, I think that there isn't enough competition in Canada in that competition at the moment is highly regulated and manipulated by a variety of parties including the government.

Air Canada – Net Income (CAD m)

2015: + 308
2016: + 876
2017: + 2,038
2018: + 167
2019: + 1,476
Subtotal 2015–2019: + 4,865

2020: – 4,647
2021: – 3,600
2022: – 1,700
2023: + 2,276
2024: + 1,720
Total 2015–2024: – 86


WestJet – Net Income (CAD m)

2015: + 368
2016: + 295
2017: + 279
2018: + 92
2019: + 119 (Q3 only, full year not disclosed)
Subtotal 2015–2019: + 1,153

2020: n/a
2021: n/a
2022: n/a
2023: n/a
2024: n/a
Total 2015–2024: n/a (private company since 2019)

So air Canada lost money over a 10 year stretch and your conclusion is you need more competition because they didn’t lost enough money ?

It’s like the grocery companies, everyone says they are making too much money but in reality their profits margins are 3-4%. So the cheapest things could ever get even if they ran at break even is 3-4% cheaper

[eyebrow737]

So air Canada lost money over a 10 year stretch and your conclusion is you need more competition because they didn’t lost enough money ?

It’s like the grocery companies, everyone says they are making too much money but in reality their profits margins are 3-4%. So the cheapest things could ever get even if they ran at break even is 3-4% cheaper

I don’t give a flying toss whether Air Canada posts red or black ink on its balance sheet — that’s a shareholder problem, not a passenger problem. The fact that a domestic ticket can jump to $2,500 the moment one operator goes on strike is proof enough that we don’t have real competition in Canada.

Airline profitability doesn’t automatically translate into affordable fares. Canada has one of the most concentrated airline markets in the developed world, with essentially two national carriers controlling the majority of routes. When one has labour disruptions or cuts capacity, prices skyrocket because there’s no one else with the fleet, network, or slots to step in. That’s not a healthy, competitive market.

Comparing it to grocery margins misses the point entirely. A 3–4% margin in groceries is spread across dozens of competing chains, independents, and discount retailers. In Canadian aviation, that level of competition simply doesn’t exist. Passengers don’t get the benefit of choice; they get price shocks.

So whether Air Canada loses money over ten years doesn’t matter to the consumer experience. What matters is that Canadians are stuck paying monopoly-style fares because the market has been regulated, consolidated, and hollowed out to the point where a single disruption exposes just how little competition actually exists.

[Foo Fighter]

Make hay while the sun shines.

[flieslikeachicken]

For anyone who's flight is cancelled by Air Canada needs to be rebooked and fly on Air Canada within 48 hours, otherwise they need to be booked on any airline in any class to get them to their destination.

If the airline doesn't fulfill it's obligation, which it is not, passengers can purchase a new ticket and request reimbursement from Air Canada for the full amount. If Air Canada refuses, small claims courts have shown that they tend to side with passengers in similar situations.

[cdnavater]

For anyone who's flight is cancelled by Air Canada needs to be rebooked and fly on Air Canada within 48 hours, otherwise they need to be booked on any airline in any class to get them to their destination.

If the airline doesn't fulfill it's obligation, which it is not, passengers can purchase a new ticket and request reimbursement from Air Canada for the full amount. If Air Canada refuses, small claims courts have shown that they tend to side with passengers in similar situations.

Keep in mind, Air Canada can now argue it is beyond their control, the FAs are now “illegally” striking and may take AC off the hook for the passenger rights.

[Realitychex]

Airline seats are sold in what is, in essence, an online auction, with the ultimate goal of always having a small number of seats remaining for last minute, price insensitive travelers.

If you sell out too early, you’ve left money on the table, but that’s not important when cash flow is vital to pay the bills now and avoid a CCAA filing.

There are always people prepared to pay more for any given product than you.

Add having this disruption occurring at a time when everyone is full to begin with only exacerbates the situation. Without the strike, I’d confidently wager the current booked l/f for any airline in Canada the week beginning Aug 25th would be well north of 84%. When one considers the weighted average capacity per domestic departure is no more than 160, (and probably considerably less), we’re talking roughly 25 open seats available per departure within the next 10 days.

Minimal supply. High demand. Uber calls it surge pricing. No difference.

Sophisticated RMS systems use history to predict what the last minute demand will look like for any given flight on any given day and how many seats should be held back to meet that demand. There’s a lot of noise about AI these days, but “AI” has been doing this job for at least a couple of decades.

It’s best to make hay when the sun is shining, because with negotiations upcoming at WS and PD, the Lord has “giveth” but will likely “taketh away” in fairly short order.

As it stands, , (prior to the recent one time windfall), the word on the street is that PD management have been spending time at the premises of a certain outfit located in the south tower of TD Center in Toronto.