CBC coverage- Pilot’s frustrated ATC rant

[Stu Pidasso]

That particular Captain said on the PA, what most Pilots think. The PA shouldn't be used as a soap box, but that is my opinion.

Last year at the "Take Your Kid to Work Day" there was the usual tour of the VR Tower. During the tour the Controller announced the following to the group of grade 9 kids.

"Take a look around, no one in this room made under $400,000 last year"

So that puts a VFR Tower Controller out earning 99.9999% of Professional Pilots in this Country.

You're comparing a controller's salary with a substantial amount of OT with a pilot's base salary. No shortage of pilots picking up every OT pairing they can and cracking 400k.

777 / 330 / 787 SENIOR Captains at Air Canada, that is a very small percentage of Professional Pilots in Canada. Nav Canada should be eliminated for what they have allowed to happen in Canadian Aviation. 400K for a VFR Tower controller is obscene.

[nvcatc]

777 / 330 / 787 SENIOR Captains at Air Canada, that is a very small percentage of Professional Pilots in Canada. Nav Canada should be eliminated for what they have allowed to happen in Canadian Aviation. 400K for a VFR Tower controller is obscene.

They're working 8 days on, 1 day off to do that. Pretty sure flight crews don't work that many hours.

[16SidedOffice]

777 / 330 / 787 SENIOR Captains at Air Canada, that is a very small percentage of Professional Pilots in Canada. Nav Canada should be eliminated for what they have allowed to happen in Canadian Aviation. 400K for a VFR Tower controller is obscene.

They're working 8 days on, 1 day off to do that. Pretty sure flight crews don't work that many hours.

Exactly, and while overtime isn't mandatory they are doing it to keep the place operating and not leave their coworkers dangerously short staffed. If there was anywhere near enough staff those numbers would be way down.

[itsgrosswhatinet]

They're working 8 days on, 1 day off to do that. Pretty sure flight crews don't work that many hours.

There were Rouge pilots making over $400k years ago but they also had to work pretty hard for it.

If the Tower controllers making that much money are the same people training the new staff I can see a strong financial motivation to not help them succeed in their roles. That is top 1% income.

[Tbayer2021]

That particular Captain said on the PA, what most Pilots think. The PA shouldn't be used as a soap box, but that is my opinion.

Last year at the "Take Your Kid to Work Day" there was the usual tour of the VR Tower. During the tour the Controller announced the following to the group of grade 9 kids.

"Take a look around, no one in this room made under $400,000 last year"

So that puts a VFR Tower Controller out earning 99.9999% of Professional Pilots in this Country.

You're comparing a controller's salary with a substantial amount of OT with a pilot's base salary. No shortage of pilots picking up every OT pairing they can and cracking 400k.

777 / 330 / 787 SENIOR Captains at Air Canada, that is a very small percentage of Professional Pilots in Canada. Nav Canada should be eliminated for what they have allowed to happen in Canadian Aviation. 400K for a VFR Tower controller is obscene.

Senior AC wide body captains are far from the only ones breaking 400k. I've seen T4s under Westjet's old contract over 400k. I've met sunwing and transat pilots who have shown me they've done the same.

I think you dont realize some pilots spend every day off they can picking up premium trips. Just like these controllers making over 400.

[Daniel Cooper]

100 flights cancelled one day this week because of no controllers.

https://vancouversun.com/news/vancouver ... nav-canada

[goingnowherefast]

At what point does this become a legal liability for NavCanada? Airlines can pawn it off as uncontrollable ATC delays and not pay compensation. I wonder if/when passengers will start taking NavCanada to court to recoup incurred costs?

[newlygrounded]

At what point does this become a legal liability for NavCanada? Airlines can pawn it off as uncontrollable ATC delays and not pay compensation. I wonder if/when passengers will start taking NavCanada to court to recoup incurred costs?

I assumed the whole point of selling off the entire air traffic network to a private company was so they could rapidly respond to a changing market, this has been going on for years now with no fix in sight!

[Dry Guy]

HR departments are ruining the country.

[TeePeeCreeper]

HR departments are ruining the country.

You mean like the HR department that once deemed you to be a good fit?

[CaptDukeNukem]

You mean the flight ops department that said to HR: “we need pilots so hire pilots.”

Sure HR was involved but really they weren’t. They’re involved after the fact.

But thinking that HR departments run airlines… crazy.

[CaptDukeNukem]

HR departments are ruining the country.

Don’t say it so loud. HR might have heard you.

[AV80R]

You can't criticize HR ladies like you couldn't criticize immigration. Until suddenly you could. Trust me, they're next for people to notice their negative impact. Nav Canada has an HR problem if guys are making $400k and they can't get anyone to fill those roles.

[altiplano]

But thinking that HR departments run airlines… crazy.

The VP of HR runs the biggest airline in this country... seriously.

[newlygrounded]

You can't criticize HR ladies like you couldn't criticize immigration. Until suddenly you could. Trust me, they're next for people to notice their negative impact. Nav Canada has an HR problem if guys are making $400k and they can't get anyone to fill those roles.

As an outsider looking in, the prospect of moving to shithole lake sounded ok, but hearing about trainees getting fired after years of being on the job and having to get out of the industry scared off a lot of people. The application process is also a joke, but I don't know where to point that finger.

[CaptDukeNukem]

You can't criticize HR ladies like you couldn't criticize immigration. Until suddenly you could. Trust me, they're next for people to notice their negative impact. Nav Canada has an HR problem if guys are making $400k and they can't get anyone to fill those roles.

As an outsider looking in, the prospect of moving to shithole lake sounded ok, but hearing about trainees getting fired after years of being on the job and having to get out of the industry scared off a lot of people. The application process is also a joke, but I don't know where to point that finger.

Always point the finger as high as you can raise it, then trickle down till someone blinks. That’s the guy who knows WTF is wrong.