Flight Attendant strike vote opens on July 28th

[CaptDukeNukem]

Not to forget the RP does the same training and tests as the FO, plus a little extra. The position of RP is just that, it's a position. Whether you're an RP or FO is based on the luck of the draw in the Pit or personal choice. Eights weeks training

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I feel like a good solution for CUPE to persue next time would be a monthly bonus system depending on where the FA is based. It's more expensive to live in Vancouver or Toronto than it is in Montreal or Winnipeg so FA's based in those two cities should (for example) get an extra $1500 a month to help pay for housing.

A lot of this is not how much the job of FA is deserving of getting paid, but simply that it is wrong to expect your employees to have to live on an unliveable wage.

1) There’s no FA base in YWG.

2) you can’t give column 1 FAs more money than column 2 FAs. It would be an absolute S#!+ show

There might be consultant coming from Jazz who can help set-up a B scale for sure.

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2) you can’t give column 1 FAs more money than column 2 FAs. It would be an absolute S#!+ show

Why not? If it's linked to a base it might even out people's preferences. If done correctly it could be a great tool. For pilots as well.

[Tolippilot]

2) you can’t give column 1 FAs more money than column 2 FAs. It would be an absolute S#!+ show

Why not? If it's linked to a base it might even out people's preferences. If done correctly it could be a great tool. For pilots as well.

What if your toronto based, but you live in Montreal. Or Vancouver based but you live in Calgary? Should they still get a pay raise?

A policy like that would cause a mass migration to the bases that pay more money, and as a result the company would be left short staffed at other bases and the majority of people would be commuting to the bases that pay more. Plus you pay based on the job, not based on where you live. Based on this argument, all tim hortons workers should be getting 50 plus thousand a year just because they live and work in Toronto or Vancouver.

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2) you can’t give column 1 FAs more money than column 2 FAs. It would be an absolute S#!+ show

Why not? If it's linked to a base it might even out people's preferences. If done correctly it could be a great tool. For pilots as well.

What if your toronto based, but you live in Montreal. Or Vancouver based but you live in Calgary? Should they still get a pay raise?

You base it based on the base.

A policy like that would cause a mass migration to the bases that pay more money, and as a result the company would be left short staffed at other bases and the majority of people would be commuting to the bases that pay more.

That's a possibility, but I doubt people would intentionally commute just for a limited pay raise.

Based on this argument, all tim hortons workers should be getting 50 plus thousand a year just because they live and work in Toronto or Vancouver.

I don't think an AC FA contract affects tim hortons workers. But yes, they absolutely should make that in downtown Toronto or Vancouver.

[Tolippilot]

Why not? If it's linked to a base it might even out people's preferences. If done correctly it could be a great tool. For pilots as well.

What if your toronto based, but you live in Montreal. Or Vancouver based but you live in Calgary? Should they still get a pay raise?

You base it based on the base.

A policy like that would cause a mass migration to the bases that pay more money, and as a result the company would be left short staffed at other bases and the majority of people would be commuting to the bases that pay more.

That's a possibility, but I doubt people would intentionally commute just for a limited pay raise.

Based on this argument, all tim hortons workers should be getting 50 plus thousand a year just because they live and work in Toronto or Vancouver.

I don't think an AC FA contract affects tim hortons workers. But yes, they absolutely should make that in downtown Toronto or Vancouver.

Well there you go, you think that even a tim hortons worker in vancouver should be getting 50k a year. Which just proves you are completely delusional and not worth debating on this topic. . You think life is too expensive in vancouver and Toronto now? Start paying all minimum wage workers 50 grand a year and see what happens to the cost of living. You have no economic sense.

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You can discuss that in another topic if you like. But nothing you wrote would make it economically unfeasible for AC to pay a bonus to FAs living in certain bases. It's a choice made by the company and/or the union.

Paying people more for jobs based in expensive cities is neither farfetched nor controversial.

[mantogasrsrwy]

You can discuss that in another topic if you like. But nothing you wrote would make it economically unfeasible for AC to pay a bonus to FAs living in certain bases. It's a choice made by the company and/or the union.

Paying people more for jobs based in expensive cities is neither farfetched nor controversial.

You should consider taking a high school economics class. Or at the very least Google the concept of supply and demand.

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You can discuss that in another topic if you like. But nothing you wrote would make it economically unfeasible for AC to pay a bonus to FAs living in certain bases. It's a choice made by the company and/or the union.

Paying people more for jobs based in expensive cities is neither farfetched nor controversial.

You should consider taking a high school economics class. Or at the very least Google the concept of supply and demand.

The union contract interrupts the supply and demand concept. People aren't necessarily based in CYYZ because they choose to, but because they have to based on their seniority. Make the CYYZ base more appealing for example, and people might actually want to live at their base.

Ideally every base should be available to new hires. That means every current employee has their preferred base. If there's a big discrepancy between the supply and the demand, then make the least desired bases more attractive by attaching bonuses to it as suggested.

[altiplano]

The incentive of YYZ is that it's a junior base. Higher relative seniority, access to better flying, earlier upgrade, etc.

It's a similar story with pilots. Your career is ahead by several years in YYZ vs. YVR.

[Launchpad1]

What if your toronto based, but you live in Montreal. Or Vancouver based but you live in Calgary? Should they still get a pay raise?

It would depend soley on where you're based. If you're based in YYZ but you want to commute from Fort Whogivesashit in the Yukon then that's up to you. The point is if you're based in YYZ your cost of accommodation is more than it is in YUL. Even if you commute you will still very likely need a crash pad, and that is more expensive in YYZ than it is in YUL.

Personally I don't see why it wouldn't work. If someone is going to bid a base to get an extra monthly living allowance that would put them back equal to where they would be in their original cheaper base then that's upto them. I don't think many people would though because what would be the point.

[ant_321]

What if your toronto based, but you live in Montreal. Or Vancouver based but you live in Calgary? Should they still get a pay raise?

It would depend soley on where you're based. If you're based in YYZ but you want to commute from Fort Whogivesashit in the Yukon then that's up to you. The point is if you're based in YYZ your cost of accommodation is more than it is in YUL. Even if you commute you will still very likely need a crash pad, and that is more expensive in YYZ than it is in YUL.

Personally I don't see why it wouldn't work. If someone is going to bid a base to get an extra monthly living allowance that would put them back equal to where they would be in their original cheaper base then that's upto them. I don't think many people would though because what would be the point.

It’s not unprecedented. My friend is an engineer for a company with bases across North America. They have a cost of living top up based on where you live. They also get paid the same as their American counterparts.

[goingnowherefast]

I have seen it in our industry. Pilots at a more northern base get a couple hundred more every month as a "northern incentive".

Offset the higher cost of living and incentivise the harder to staff base.

[newlygrounded]

I have a question as an outsider, I was surprised that even though both the pilot and FA group work for the same company, there weren’t really any pilots at the strike?

For all the people complaining about section 107, it was weird to see not much solidarity

[Bede]

I have a question as an outsider, I was surprised that even though both the pilot and FA group work for the same company, there weren’t really any pilots at the strike?

For all the people complaining about section 107, it was weird to see not much solidarity

I saw pilots there.

[newlygrounded]

I have a question as an outsider, I was surprised that even though both the pilot and FA group work for the same company, there weren’t really any pilots at the strike?

For all the people complaining about section 107, it was weird to see not much solidarity

I saw pilots there.

I can only speak for what I saw on TV and what I heard from some FAs but many of the pilots who care were dating the FAs on strike, were the pilots technically working during the dispute?

[Man_in_the_sky]

I have a question as an outsider, I was surprised that even though both the pilot and FA group work for the same company, there weren’t really any pilots at the strike?

For all the people complaining about section 107, it was weird to see not much solidarity

I saw pilots there.

I can only speak for what I saw on TV and what I heard from some FAs but many of the pilots who care were dating the FAs on strike, were the pilots technically working during the dispute?

Our union told us we could go, but no visible AC logo...

[CaptDukeNukem]

I’m shocked they didn’t have another colored lanyard for this specific event.

[newlygrounded]

I saw pilots there.

I can only speak for what I saw on TV and what I heard from some FAs but many of the pilots who care were dating the FAs on strike, were the pilots technically working during the dispute?

Our union told us we could go, but no visible AC logo...

Yeah I saw alpa said no logos so they aren't drawn into the illegal strike, but check the news/youtube. How many pilots do you see in the photos and videos?

[BTD]

Your post above is irrelevant. Your search was “flight attendant strike”. Google search now curates pictures with flight attendants in it. Try typing in “pilots at flight attendant strike” and you will get photos of pilot strikes and FA strikes. Also, when the news is taking pictures, they want pictures of flight attendants, not pilots. The will self select taking most pictures with FAs.

I don’t know how many pilots were at the strike, but a google search for images proves nothing either way.

[goingnowherefast]

How would one be able to tell the person's profession? They said no logos. OK, I'm wearing normal clothes, walking around a CUPE picket. The assumption would be that I'm an FA even though I'm actually a pilot.

[Me262]

I have a question as an outsider, I was surprised that even though both the pilot and FA group work for the same company, there weren’t really any pilots at the strike?

For all the people complaining about section 107, it was weird to see not much solidarity

Even Jazz pilots attended the FA strikes, so... Nothing officially organized but individuals showing up for support.

[Hysteria]

I have a question as an outsider, I was surprised that even though both the pilot and FA group work for the same company, there weren’t really any pilots at the strike?

For all the people complaining about section 107, it was weird to see not much solidarity

Even Jazz pilots attended the FA strikes, so... Nothing officially organized but individuals showing up for support.

When is the vote ?

[Me262]

I have a question as an outsider, I was surprised that even though both the pilot and FA group work for the same company, there weren’t really any pilots at the strike?

For all the people complaining about section 107, it was weird to see not much solidarity

Even Jazz pilots attended the FA strikes, so... Nothing officially organized but individuals showing up for support.

When is the vote ?

It's closing Saturday no? It's already opened since 27th

[Hysteria]

Even Jazz pilots attended the FA strikes, so... Nothing officially organized but individuals showing up for support.

When is the vote ?

It's closing Saturday no? It's already opened since 27th

I meant closing, right

[Launchpad1]

Source?

The deal was struck between Air Canada and the union with a mediator at a Toronto airport hotel, under the threat of criminal charges, Canadian Union of Public Employees President Mark Hancock said.
"My understanding was the next day, if there was no deal, they would have gone to the courts and sought criminal contempt, then charges and fines," Hancock told Reuters. "It would have risen to the next level."