Emirates after AC

[Play2020]

Hi everyone,

Honestly life price is Toronto is crazy yet alone and now you have to deal with a government that robs all your money and I can’t afford that anymore. I am thinking of moving to Emirates and make some money and come back here after 10 years. At least I will be able to buy a home directly. (And maybe finally a world class contract)

Does anyone know someone or how the schedule life looks like at emirates on the A380. Not something from 10 years ago but like lately. On their website they advise 85hrs a month and 800/900 hrs per year which is basically what we do here as well. If anyone has intels I would gladly take them.
Thanks for any intel or help,

[daedalusx]

lol. Lmao even. It’s way worse than even junior AC WB flying.

You’re absolutely tarded to leave a career like this at 28 to go over the sandbox and all its BS only to come back at 38 ? Then what?

[‘Bob’]

That’s going to be ten years of your life you will never get back. You’ll make good money (for now.. until the next global crisis which cleaned out the last group of expats) but you’ll have no life and a soul sucking job that takes all of your waking hours (and more than a few sleeping ones as well).

And then after you’re done you’re going to start at the bottom at Air Canada in YYZ again when guys you were over are now WB and western based doing two trips a month? Lots can’t or won’t.. so it’s sucky 705 like Flair, 705-lite, medevac, firefighting, or fractional and the existential crisis of “if I had just stayed where I was.. would I be better now?”

Not just financially, but physically, mentally, not paying alimony-y…

[twa22]

19-22 days a month, 100-120 hours a month of actual flying... at least that's what captains were/are doing because time in bunk as the relief crew doesn't count towards your total for the month, so on paper it shows 80-90 hours.. this is from captains i've talked to who were there, and some buddies who are there and is info from within the last 1 to 2 years

Guys there are pretty bagged and exhausted... If you plan on coming back to Canada and starting from the bottom, I wouldn't... if you plan on leaving and never coming back, different story if you're willing to put up with the fatigue for a few years, or have no other choice

If you want more info, go to PPRUNE, lots of discussion there on ME carriers, and other airlines from around the globe.

[avcanada1558]

Wait till he finds out about seniority

[confusedalot]

28, in a company that will never close down, living in canada, a payscale that will eventually put you in the top 5% in a few years. or more.

and you want to go to the sandbox.

many have done it not because they wanted to, because they had to. and they did not get all that rich.

you do not realize how lucky you are.

as far as toronto is concerned, yep, expensive. so do like everybody else and live in orangeville, guelph, or some such place. i am from montreal, not so cheap either, but was based in toronto and got around the whole thing no problems.

[flieslikeachicken]

There is a reason why many pilots leave Canada and the US to go fly for Middle Eastern Muslim countries.

There is also a reason why many ex-pats return to Canada (and it's shit wages and work conditions) after flying for Middle Eastern Muslim countries' flag carriers.

Middle Eastern carriers offer good wages and luxury. Canada offers stability and western conveniences.

[AV80R]

I'd do it and earn enough to retire by 40. If you still want to work after that take an RP position at AC until retirement.

[Canadianpilot2024]

Shame on you guys for the condescending comments

Theres more to life than air canada… it’s just a job at the end of the day.

If your priorities are to save a bunch of $$$ and put yourself in a good financial position, maybe emirates will be a good play.

Literally 90 percent of the people who have commented don’t work at emirates and have no idea what they are talking about. Take the comments on here with a grain of salt.

If buying a home, or multiple homes, or paying off massive debts is your goal then maybe that is the best move.

Maybe you won’t want to be a pilot anymore in 10 years, then all the bs you put up with at ac is all for not.

Find some emirates pilots, and get their 2 cents

[twa22]

Shame on you guys for the condescending comments

Theres more to life than air canada… it’s just a job at the end of the day.

If your priorities are to save a bunch of $$$ and put yourself in a good financial position, maybe emirates will be a good play.

Literally 90 percent of the people who have commented don’t work at emirates and have no idea what they are talking about. Take the comments on here with a grain of salt.

If buying a home, or multiple homes, or paying off massive debts is your goal then maybe that is the best move.

Maybe you won’t want to be a pilot anymore in 10 years, then all the bs you put up with at ac is all for not.

Find some emirates pilots, and get their 2 cents

LOL

I have a good friend who works there, and have flown with several captains who were at the ME3 so I have direct firsthand info... do you have any direct info?

You don't actually save that much money at the ME3 unless you're extremely frugal... there is zero pension, other then EK having some form of provident fund/years of service package once you leave. Cost of living has gone up drastically there as well, amongst other things.

Of course there is more to life then AC, and i'm all for living the expat life and trying different things, but if one is living in a fantasy world thinking they'll come home with a million bucks cash in hand after 10 years at EK, they need a hard reality check... go read PPRUNE, private message pilots from EK there, or talk to someone directly, not hard to find, and most importantly, do some napkin math and figure out what you truly want. IF coming back to AC after 10 years at EK is the plan, I wouldn't do it if i'm already at AC, but hey, to each their own

[crystalpizza]

Keep in mind if you're hell bent on building tax free savings and are willing to move abroad to do so, you don't even have to quit AC, just commute from somewhere with lower tax rates and bid WB flying that spends little time in Canadian airspace (YVR-Asia, YYZ-South America etc) so you can spend less than 183 days per year in Canada and claim non resident status. We already have a lot of WB guys commuting from Mexico, Central America and the Caribbean (some even from certain US states) basically achieving the same outcome as an expat, even as an RP off flat pay you'd be taking home significantly more.

[confusedalot]

the grass is always greener elsewhere, now isn't it.

been through the grinder, as stated before, not because I wanted to be there. had to. and retired.

any ac guy of my age group is far better off now, you have to look at the big picture. maybe not the happiest place to work, over time, the payout is big.

so hey, wanna live in the sandbox, go for it.

suggest you pull out that little calculator and do some serious arithmetic to make sure what you are getting into. or get yourself into the usa where the money is really big.

dubai is nice, been there lots on layovers. over time, boring place.

[Bede]

Shame on you guys for the condescending comments

Theres more to life than air canada… it’s just a job at the end of the day.

If your priorities are to save a bunch of $$$ and put yourself in a good financial position, maybe emirates will be a good play.

Literally 90 percent of the people who have commented don’t work at emirates and have no idea what they are talking about. Take the comments on here with a grain of salt.

If buying a home, or multiple homes, or paying off massive debts is your goal then maybe that is the best move.

Maybe you won’t want to be a pilot anymore in 10 years, then all the bs you put up with at ac is all for not.

Find some emirates pilots, and get their 2 cents

I think you're missing the point. If someone wants to go to the sandbox, all the power to them. But thinking that they'll be better off going there for 10 years (most likely as FO for most of those years), coming back at the BOTL at AC once AC has a "world class contract" for the next 27 years doesn't demonstrate a terribly serious chain of thought.

[Eric Janson]

Hi everyone,

Honestly life price is Toronto is crazy yet alone and now you have to deal with a government that robs all your money and I can’t afford that anymore. I am thinking of moving to Emirates and make some money and come back here after 10 years. At least I will be able to buy a home directly. (And maybe finally a world class contract)

Does anyone know someone or how the schedule life looks like at emirates on the A380. Not something from 10 years ago but like lately. On their website they advise 85hrs a month and 800/900 hrs per year which is basically what we do here as well. If anyone has intels I would gladly take them.
Thanks for any intel or help,

Sounds like you've never been to Dubai.

I would suggest going in July.

Nothing beats experiencing it for yourself.

I took my present job to avoid having to work in the ME.

I've spent 8 years as an Expat - I've learned to appreciate living at home.

[flying4dollars]

Hi everyone,

Honestly life price is Toronto is crazy yet alone and now you have to deal with a government that robs all your money and I can’t afford that anymore. I am thinking of moving to Emirates and make some money and come back here after 10 years. At least I will be able to buy a home directly. (And maybe finally a world class contract)

Does anyone know someone or how the schedule life looks like at emirates on the A380. Not something from 10 years ago but like lately. On their website they advise 85hrs a month and 800/900 hrs per year which is basically what we do here as well. If anyone has intels I would gladly take them.
Thanks for any intel or help,

Sounds like you've never been to Dubai.

I would suggest going in July.

Nothing beats experiencing it for yourself.

I took my present job to avoid having to work in the ME.

I've spent 8 years as an Expat - I've learned to appreciate living at home.

Expat life is certainly not for everyone, I would definitely agree and there are elements of living in the western world (specifically here in Canada) and gives you a different sense of security and freedom. But experiences are what you make of it too and it comes down to that very statement and mindset.

I'm Canadian born and ended up as an expat kid living in a Muslim country, in the desert (literally). It was the best 5 years of my life and I don't just mean as a kid with no responsibilities; My parents also agree. Dubai compared to where we were living is so much more first world too. By the time my dad left that job and permanently returned to Canada, he was able to buy our house in cash as well as pay for my sisters and my education, and then some.

If you go to Emirates and don't fall into the trap of make more spend more, yeah you can bank some serious money. Especially if you're frugal and invest wisely. But it comes down to the individual and not just the environment. I flew with many sandbox captains (and FO's) who have had mixed feelings. The ones who hated it were lulled by the money but also the ones who weren't nearly as open minded as the ones who loved it (their families included). I'd say that correlation is spot on.

So to summarize in a nutshell, it's certainly not for everyone (most people even) but for the right people, it can be a life changing experience.

[AV80R]

I think you're missing the point. If someone wants to go to the sandbox, all the power to them. But thinking that they'll be better off going there for 10 years (most likely as FO for most of those years), coming back at the BOTL at AC once AC has a "world class contract" for the next 27 years doesn't demonstrate a terribly serious chain of thought.

Who cares about your seniority at AC? After 10 years at Emirates you'll have $2 million USD in the bank which you can comfortably live off forever without even touching the principal. Work whatever job you like for fun. RP at AC does seem pretty fun, but I'd probably just stay local due to the health impact of long haul flying.

[twa22]

I think you're missing the point. If someone wants to go to the sandbox, all the power to them. But thinking that they'll be better off going there for 10 years (most likely as FO for most of those years), coming back at the BOTL at AC once AC has a "world class contract" for the next 27 years doesn't demonstrate a terribly serious chain of thought.

Who cares about your seniority at AC? After 10 years at Emirates you'll have $2 million USD in the bank which you can comfortably live off forever without even touching the principal. Work whatever job you like for fun. RP at AC does seem pretty fun, but I'd probably just stay local due to the health impact of long haul flying.

No you won't, where are you getting your numbers from?

[Eric Janson]

Who cares about your seniority at AC? After 10 years at Emirates you'll have $2 million USD in the bank which you can comfortably live off forever without even touching the principal. Work whatever job you like for fun. RP at AC does seem pretty fun, but I'd probably just stay local due to the health impact of long haul flying.

This fantasy story still making the rounds?

[thepoors]

Keep in mind if you're hell bent on building tax free savings and are willing to move abroad to do so, you don't even have to quit AC, just commute from somewhere with lower tax rates and bid WB flying that spends little time in Canadian airspace (YVR-Asia, YYZ-South America etc) so you can spend less than 183 days per year in Canada and claim non resident status. We already have a lot of WB guys commuting from Mexico, Central America and the Caribbean (some even from certain US states) basically achieving the same outcome as an expat, even as an RP off flat pay you'd be taking home significantly more.

Curious how this works, especially for those living in the US. Non-resident status means you don't have access to healthcare right? Living in the US, you'd be taking a 30% haircut just because of the exchange rate and then you'd have to buy health insurance which ain't cheap. Are these guys actually coming out ahead? This would be very attractive to me if it does work in your advantage.

[Bede]

Non-resident status means you don't have access to healthcare right?

Canadian health care, no. US health care ($$), yes.

Living in the US, you'd be taking a 30% haircut just because of the exchange rate and then you'd have to buy health insurance which ain't cheap.

Correct.

Are these guys actually coming out ahead? This would be very attractive to me if it does work in your advantage.

I don't think so. I think people do it more because they have family ties in the US. I think you could do ok if you lived in a place like Panama, if that's your thing.

This would be very attractive to me if it does work in your advantage.

You also need to consider if these places will even allow you to immigrate. I don't know but it's not as easy as just showing up.
As well, if you do this, you must sever all financial ties to Canada. No real estate, no assets, nothing. If this is your thing, why not go work for a US carrier?

[thepoors]

As well, if you do this, you must sever all financial ties to Canada. No real estate, no assets, nothing.

I happen to know that's false. Simply owning property in Canada does not make you a resident for tax purposes. Otherwise any foreign ownership would establish tax residency. You are only on the hook for property taxes.

If this is your thing, why not go work for a US carrier?

I would love to, but as you know it is extremely difficult to get right to work in the US.

[Bede]

I would love to, but as you know it is extremely difficult to get right to work in the US.

It's much easier now than it used to be. Just more expensive.

[thepoors]

I would love to, but as you know it is extremely difficult to get right to work in the US.

It's much easier now than it used to be. Just more expensive.

Funny when people bring this up, because Canada has the exact same thing with the start up visa program. The only difference is we sell ours for just $200k...

[itaserb]

I would love to, but as you know it is extremely difficult to get right to work in the US.

It's much easier now than it used to be. Just more expensive.

Funny when people bring this up, because Canada has the exact same thing with the start up visa program. The only difference is we sell ours for just $200k...

No, we don't. Simple scroll through IRCC website tells you that you need to have a business idea, find designated organization(it must be under 10 application per year cap), wait for your PR(53 months!) and have enough funds to support yourself here. Comparing this 53 months to about 6 months processing time for Express-Entry applicants tells you that start-up visa is a not a priority for IRCC.

[PittBoss]

Why would you?