Does anyone know what the MEC is actually trying to get out of the ULP?

[truedude]

A class action DFR lawsuit. That's totally how the legal system works.

It would be a class action for failure to represent appropriately. And it wouldn't be the first filed in Canada.

[Man_in_the_sky]

I'm just glad this whole fiasco is finally over with and the issue can be put to rest, once and for all. Time to focus on the next round of negotiations, and improving the profession as a whole for all pilots in Canada no matter which carrier they work for.

Are you happy that 285 of your ex-colleague got ''f'ed'' by a breach of contract and will get nothing when it is clear as day that we/they deserved compensation, either monetarely or seniority. Is that what makes you happy ?

[Bede]

A class action DFR lawsuit. That's totally how the legal system works.

It would be a class action for failure to represent appropriately. And it wouldn't be the first filed in Canada.

Do you have a link to the decision?

[truedude]

A class action DFR lawsuit. That's totally how the legal system works.

It would be a class action for failure to represent appropriately. And it wouldn't be the first filed in Canada.

Do you have a link to the decision?

Oh, and there is no agreement with respect to not filing a s.35. What you are referring to is if a merger were to take place, ALPA's general merger guidance wouldn't be needed to be adhered to. But there is absolutely no agreement between ALPA and any party the precludes the filing of a s35.

[PostmasterGeneral]

I'm just glad this whole fiasco is finally over with and the issue can be put to rest, once and for all. Time to focus on the next round of negotiations, and improving the profession as a whole for all pilots in Canada no matter which carrier they work for.

Are you happy that 285 of your ex-colleague got ''f'ed'' by a breach of contract and will get nothing when it is clear as day that we/they deserved compensation, either monetarely or seniority. Is that what makes you happy ?

I dont have "feelings" about this whole fiasco one way or another. Use logic and reason, not emotion.

Whether it's fair or not, it is what it is. Sometimes the big corporations win. Often they win, actually. That's just the way it is. Time to move on.

[Nick678]

I'm just glad this whole fiasco is finally over with and the issue can be put to rest, once and for all. Time to focus on the next round of negotiations, and improving the profession as a whole for all pilots in Canada no matter which carrier they work for.

Are you happy that 285 of your ex-colleague got ''f'ed'' by a breach of contract and will get nothing when it is clear as day that we/they deserved compensation, either monetarely or seniority. Is that what makes you happy ?

I dont have "feelings" about this whole fiasco one way or another. Use logic and reason, not emotion.

Whether it's fair or not, it is what it is. Sometimes the big corporations win. Often they win, actually. That's just the way it is. Time to move on.

AC pilots get pissed when company ignores part of the new contract or delays implementation but turns a blind eye when it happens to other pilot groups "sucks to suck"

[Man_in_the_sky]

Are you happy that 285 of your ex-colleague got ''f'ed'' by a breach of contract and will get nothing when it is clear as day that we/they deserved compensation, either monetarely or seniority. Is that what makes you happy ?

I dont have "feelings" about this whole fiasco one way or another. Use logic and reason, not emotion.

Whether it's fair or not, it is what it is. Sometimes the big corporations win. Often they win, actually. That's just the way it is. Time to move on.

AC pilots get pissed when company ignores part of the new contract or delays implementation but turns a blind eye when it happens to other pilot groups "sucks to suck"

not even sure who you are attacking here.

Truth is, there was clear harm, clear fault and no penality. AC will do it again and Jazz by letting this go, proove they do not care about their members.

[Cypresshill]

“ YUL Pilots,

After reviewing the CIRB’s preliminary ruling, the Montreal council’s view is straightforward: we have effectively lost the ULP. With Air Canada released from the file, we are not optimistic that the CIRB will issue a “make whole” remedy. We also believe that the Executive was less focused on pursuing a negotiated settlement and more focused on a decision imposed by the CIRB.

We do not believe that Air Canada or ACA were intimidated by the ULP filing. Further, we are concerned that the Executive is now considering filing a Section 35 Single Employer at the CIRB.

The CIRB has indicated that our issues would be more appropriately dealt with through the grievance/arbitration process.

We believe that careful consideration should be taken before making that decision. A Section 35 filing will be a very expensive and protracted process (3 to 5 years), which will likely produce insignificant results. We believe that we should not consider filing a Section 35 until the CIRB renders its final ruling and we have received all proposals that were offered by the ACA during the process to try and resolve the issues.

You should be reminded that the Air Canada Regional Pilots—who are now the Jazz pilots—already filed a single employer against Air Canada and ACPA in 1997 and were unsuccessful in the decision issued by Arbitrator Claude Guilbault in 1998. They immediately filed an appeal and were again unsuccessful in the decision issued by Arbitrator Michelle Pineau in 1999.

The Montreal Council believes that our pilots are on the right track in directing us to recall the current MEC Executive, get a new team in place, and refocus on resolving the outstanding issues.”


CB disciples on here are all like "but wait....but....but...but". Sit the F down, man. You were told and warned multiple times this was heading to failure. This grifter MEC needs to be thrown out of the house. This bunch of self-aggrandized buffoons, which gaslights its pilots over "approved" expenses versus justified ones, as if that's the only reason pilots can't stand them anymore, still thinks it should be in the driver's seat. You can't make this stuff up.

Look out for new committee appointments soon as any potential defector of CB will promptly be offered other positions. Right KB? Eh KE?

Is there a bright side to all this? Yes. For some. The MEC has 2 million dollars worth of new office and a crappy vehicle. Apparently the bar is well stocked with the finest therapy money can buy.

As for you line pilots, don't forget to update your standing bid to reflect your desire for that heavy jet captain spot made available by the Hawaiian Cargo contract. Kinda like choosing "X" for gender on that ALPA Canada aeromedical survey.

Fire them.

[hithere]

Cypresshill,
No need to “fire”(ie recall) anyone since all the Executive position terms end early in the new year. February I think. If you have enough support you are welcome to run for one of these positions yourself.

[truedude]

“ YUL Pilots,

After reviewing the CIRB’s preliminary ruling, the Montreal council’s view is straightforward: we have effectively lost the ULP. With Air Canada released from the file, we are not optimistic that the CIRB will issue a “make whole” remedy. We also believe that the Executive was less focused on pursuing a negotiated settlement and more focused on a decision imposed by the CIRB.

We do not believe that Air Canada or ACA were intimidated by the ULP filing. Further, we are concerned that the Executive is now considering filing a Section 35 Single Employer at the CIRB.

The CIRB has indicated that our issues would be more appropriately dealt with through the grievance/arbitration process.

We believe that careful consideration should be taken before making that decision. A Section 35 filing will be a very expensive and protracted process (3 to 5 years), which will likely produce insignificant results. We believe that we should not consider filing a Section 35 until the CIRB renders its final ruling and we have received all proposals that were offered by the ACA during the process to try and resolve the issues.

You should be reminded that the Air Canada Regional Pilots—who are now the Jazz pilots—already filed a single employer against Air Canada and ACPA in 1997 and were unsuccessful in the decision issued by Arbitrator Claude Guilbault in 1998. They immediately filed an appeal and were again unsuccessful in the decision issued by Arbitrator Michelle Pineau in 1999.

The Montreal Council believes that our pilots are on the right track in directing us to recall the current MEC Executive, get a new team in place, and refocus on resolving the outstanding issues.”


CB disciples on here are all like "but wait....but....but...but". Sit the F down, man. You were told and warned multiple times this was heading to failure. This grifter MEC needs to be thrown out of the house. This bunch of self-aggrandized buffoons, which gaslights its pilots over "approved" expenses versus justified ones, as if that's the only reason pilots can't stand them anymore, still thinks it should be in the driver's seat. You can't make this stuff up.

Look out for new committee appointments soon as any potential defector of CB will promptly be offered other positions. Right KB? Eh KE?

Is there a bright side to all this? Yes. For some. The MEC has 2 million dollars worth of new office and a crappy vehicle. Apparently the bar is well stocked with the finest therapy money can buy.

As for you line pilots, don't forget to update your standing bid to reflect your desire for that heavy jet captain spot made available by the Hawaiian Cargo contract. Kinda like choosing "X" for gender on that ALPA Canada aeromedical survey.

Fire them.

This is a really bad take. First, all expenses were approved and known about, so the YUL Capt rep can stop pretending like they didn't know about them when they approved them.

Second, the ULP did get AC and ACA to the table. Fine, nothing came of it, but no harm in talking and searching for common ground.

And third, the YUL Capt rep will retire before the end of the CPA, so they have nothing to lose by the current issues at Jazz. But this crusade against the executive is a clear example of cutting off your nose to spite your face. The reality remains, no matter who is in charge, that Jazz is a shrinking entity, with a management team that doesn't appear to have any desire to do anything but play caretaker. They did nothing to try and enforce the exclusivity clause of the CPA. They don't seem to have any plan to try and attract and hire pilots. And they seem content to allow Jazz to simply shrink. Without change, I don't see at the moment how we even are a company past 2035. So for me, I see this as a fight for survival. And when the CIRB goes out of their way to mention a "Common Employer" route is more appropriate to deal with these issues, multiple times in their decision, all parties should sit up and take note. There was absolutely no need for the CIRB to include those statements.

What you are suggesting is essentially a surrender by not pursuing at S.35 route, and doing so as quickly as we can.

If someone wants to be voted to the executive, let them run when the terms are up. I am all for change, but not in this fashion, or by people who have turned it into a personal vendetta.

I do think, however, it is time we have people in all of our elected positions that will likely be with this company past 2035, as they have a vested long term interest in seeing Jazz a prosperous place to work.