Hiring demand vs supply?

[philaviate]

philaviate and lostav8r, I'm under the impression both of you don't realize you require an ATPL to even apply for a pilot position at AC.

Fair point.
But equally they could waive that for flow positions if it suited their business.

They require a ATPL and 2000 TT I don’t see AC waiving either of those to hire Jazz FOs (not to mention passing over higher seniority captains at Jazz which would contravene the PML).

But they can and will do so if they decide it makes sense for them as a business.I can see why it would, they're all struggling to hold captains at Jazz, encore etc etc, so why take some of those when you can take FO who are less of a loss to the regional.

[goingnowherefast]

Doing that would eventually put AC in the same spot as all the regionals. Shortage of upgradable FOs. There's a reason AC hires ATPL licensed "future captains". They don't want a roster that's 70% FOs that can't upgrade.

[dustyroads]

Doing that would eventually put AC in the same spot as all the regionals. Shortage of upgradable FOs. There's a reason AC hires ATPL licensed "future captains". They don't want a roster that's 70% FOs that can't upgrade.

There must be reasons why regionals won’t hire 703/704 atpl captains. Working captains more at regionals likely is cheaper, sure they pay a bit more for each to work more hours but the costs other than flight hours can be significant for the benefits offered, 10 captains working 8 extra hours a month likely cheaper than 1 captain working those 80 hours when all compensation is calculated. It comes down to dollar and cents, regionals hiring 703/704 atpl captains make sense to use but not to the bean counters at the companies.

[jpilot77]

Fair point.
But equally they could waive that for flow positions if it suited their business.

They require a ATPL and 2000 TT I don’t see AC waiving either of those to hire Jazz FOs (not to mention passing over higher seniority captains at Jazz which would contravene the PML).

But they can and will do so if they decide it makes sense for them as a business.I can see why it would, they're all struggling to hold captains at Jazz, encore etc etc, so why take some of those when you can take FO who are less of a loss to the regional.

Because then the captains would leave as well to Porter, WestJet etc…

[BTD]

Doing that would eventually put AC in the same spot as all the regionals. Shortage of upgradable FOs. There's a reason AC hires ATPL licensed "future captains". They don't want a roster that's 70% FOs that can't upgrade.

There must be reasons why regionals won’t hire 703/704 atpl captains. Working captains more at regionals likely is cheaper, sure they pay a bit more for each to work more hours but the costs other than flight hours can be significant for the benefits offered, 10 captains working 8 extra hours a month likely cheaper than 1 captain working those 80 hours when all compensation is calculated. It comes down to dollar and cents, regionals hiring 703/704 atpl captains make sense to use but not to the bean counters at the companies.

There is a lot of more than just the hourly rates. All of those extra pilots will have sim days, in class training, employer paid benefits, pensions etc. All of that adds up big time.

[lostav8r]

Doing that would eventually put AC in the same spot as all the regionals. Shortage of upgradable FOs. There's a reason AC hires ATPL licensed "future captains". They don't want a roster that's 70% FOs that can't upgrade.

There must be reasons why regionals won’t hire 703/704 atpl captains. Working captains more at regionals likely is cheaper, sure they pay a bit more for each to work more hours but the costs other than flight hours can be significant for the benefits offered, 10 captains working 8 extra hours a month likely cheaper than 1 captain working those 80 hours when all compensation is calculated. It comes down to dollar and cents, regionals hiring 703/704 atpl captains make sense to use but not to the bean counters at the companies.

There is a lot of more than just the hourly rates. All of those extra pilots will have sim days, in class training, employer paid benefits, pensions etc. All of that adds up big time.

Proof that most pilots don't have business acumen