Strike outcome desires

[Monocularpilot]

pilots of transat… what are the main things you guys/gals would like to see with the current ongoing strike for your next contract in terms of pay, QOL , commuting and etc ?

[FNGYYZ]

While it was great to see some pilots picketing in Toronto, this isn't a strike. It's the same old ALPA playbook where pilots stand around with signs before they sign something in the final moments....Not hard for any management team to figure out the game plan after doing the exact same thing over & over again.

Expect an underwhelming agreement in the final strokes with a subsequent timeshare presentation. It's ALPA 101.

[Torontomaplelaughs]

That's a bingo

[flying4dollars]

While it was great to see some pilots picketing in Toronto, this isn't a strike. It's the same old ALPA playbook where pilots stand around with signs before they sign something in the final moments....Not hard for any management team to figure out the game plan after doing the exact same thing over & over again.

Expect an underwhelming agreement in the final strokes with a subsequent timeshare presentation. It's ALPA 101.

Agreed,

but yeah, what are you guys focusing on with this contract?

[3rdWorldClassPilot]

They want a 3rd World Class Contract obviously

[Torontomaplelaughs]

They want a 3rd World Class Contract obviously

Well at least a "Modern" 3rd World Class one

[flieslikeachicken]

While it was great to see some pilots picketing in Toronto, this isn't a strike. It's the same old ALPA playbook where pilots stand around with signs before they sign something in the final moments....Not hard for any management team to figure out the game plan after doing the exact same thing over & over again.

Expect an underwhelming agreement in the final strokes with a subsequent timeshare presentation. It's ALPA 101.

You might have missed the strike vote. Air Transat pilots are not currently in a legal strike position, but they are taking the steps toward being able to threaten a strike and potentially follow through with it.

[3rdWorldClassPilot]

While it was great to see some pilots picketing in Toronto, this isn't a strike. It's the same old ALPA playbook where pilots stand around with signs before they sign something in the final moments....Not hard for any management team to figure out the game plan after doing the exact same thing over & over again.

Expect an underwhelming agreement in the final strokes with a subsequent timeshare presentation. It's ALPA 101.

You might have missed the strike vote. Air Transat pilots are not currently in a legal strike position, but they are taking the steps toward being able to threaten a strike and potentially follow through with it.

Lol...ALPA don't strike son

[kiaszceski]

While it was great to see some pilots picketing in Toronto, this isn't a strike. It's the same old ALPA playbook where pilots stand around with signs before they sign something in the final moments....Not hard for any management team to figure out the game plan after doing the exact same thing over & over again.

Expect an underwhelming agreement in the final strokes with a subsequent timeshare presentation. It's ALPA 101.

You might have missed the strike vote. Air Transat pilots are not currently in a legal strike position, but they are taking the steps toward being able to threaten a strike and potentially follow through with it.

Lol...ALPA don't strike son

1932, 1960, 1985, 1989, 1991 and 1998.
Over 80% of them were in the USA.

Canadians pilots are just chicken to strike "because it's not kind".
GFY.

[jpilot77]

https://financialpost.com/transportati ... ote-strike

99% strike mandate

[thepoors]

https://financialpost.com/transportati ... ote-strike

99% strike mandate

I would love to be proven wrong, but ALPA leadership will take that mandate from its dues paying members wipe their ass with it and capitulate to the company/government.

[Me262]

waiting on another section 107 chapter

[3rdWorldClassPilot]

99.9% chance they capitulate with that 99% strike vote

ALPA hasn't strike in how long? Honest question...30 years?? And how many contracts since then.

Same old tired playbook. Yawn.

[daedalusx]

Don’t forget your propaganda slop with dramatic music and multi coloured lanyards, bet you that management is scared shitless, they’ve never seen that playbook before !

[Torontomaplelaughs]

Watching ALPA fire up their Strike(-less) Center is hilarious.
A room full of pilots who’ve never actually struck pretending to be busy.

We all know what’s coming:
Airline drops a “final & best” offer in a couple days during "Peak Leverage"→ ALPA leadership recommends it → two-week timeshare presentation → deal passes.

Same playbook every cycle.

[daedalusx]

It starts with the usual fudd

- Airline is broke and can’t afford to keeps the lights on
and the company is actually looking at layoffs/hire freeze/furlough etc

- Our operating cost is too high, competition is robust and fearsome.

- Canadians are broke; combined with “Muh USA tarifs”. That’ll be the special du jour this year … highly effective because it allows a 3 prong attack on workers : It blames a recession on a foreign country/unpopular scapegoat rather than 10 years of neoliberalism, it gives a casus belli to the Feds to intervene with forced arbitration to “protect the Canadian economy” and it acts as an invisible, unforeseen external force with no real end in sight but props up a fake sense of unity against that common threat - in many ways like Covid.

- Feds will force us into arbitration if we don’t sign and that piece of shit cunt scumbag sellout Gandolf will ruin us


Then you bring out the sweet sweet honey. The timeshare pitch.

- We’re now the best paid [insert type] pilots in [insert niche] using this crazy voodoo insane math that applies only to 10 guys and for a very short amount of time.
- We had to sign for [insert unspeakably long term] years because the airline needs financial stability to grow. We secured the work for xxx years which means quicker upgrade, fatter pension, more orders and options.
- We wanted to get x but had to use all of our leverage for y.
- There was no better deal on the table, no money left, we took it all, PEAK leverage (my favourite)
- [signature bonus - back pay]
- We had to concede on x, y and z on this contract because of a,b and c but NEXT one … well REALLY get them because the company knows that we had them by the balls and we could have shut down the airline … but didn’t.

And then you gotta re-fudd once more but with dignity

IF WE STRIKE THEN PELADEAU or [insert unlikable airline manager or private equity firm] WILL BUY THE AIRLINE AND CHOP SHOP AND WERE ALL OUT JOBS AND HAVE TO WORK AT MCDONALDS

Then you have the miraculous recovery. The airline that was going in the shitter with a worthless stock now magically starts printing hundreds of millions in profits and the employees are stuck in a dogshit contract for years to come thinking that come next negos, surely the company will share the good times only to get rug pulled with the same fucking script … and on this goes …

[tango308]

My Transat friends, whatever you do, please do not settle for a "vendor-dependant" contract.

[CGFCK]

Or have your Great Leader preach about unity before they threaten to quit if you voted No, make it an issue of "confidence" and then build a posse of yes men around them to demonize anyone who voted No.

Really sad showing at AC by some people who are still somehow involved.

[rudder]

My Transat friends, whatever you do, please do not settle for a "vendor-dependant" contract.

Not sure what a “vendor dependant” contract means.

I too hope for a successful outcome for the TS pilots, but I don’t see a whole lot of leverage. TRZ is not a financially healthy enterprise. Cash flow problems largely driven by significant balance sheet problems. Add on top of that dysfunction at the board level. Not a great bargaining environment when seeking meaningful gains.

The TS pilots have been using the former CDN Airlines pilot bargaining strategy for the last few rounds of bargaining - lifestyle gains vs T4. In the end, that particular employer was for all practical purposes insolvent with a low probability of a successful restructuring. As history would describe, federal government intervention resulted in an acquisition by AC.

TRZ cannot afford a strike related shutdown. So it can take the strike and likely start planning a CCAA filing. Alternatively, it could settle with the pilots knowing that it was more likely than not that a restructuring would be necessary within 12 months. That would force every labour group in to CCAA associated concessionary bargaining. The alternative to those concessions? Liquidation.

I don’t see any white knight on the horizon. AC is not going to acquire TRZ. I think that a WJ/TS transaction actually would make sense. That would leave Porter as the odd man out. However, not sure that ONEX would be interested and then you layer on the ‘Quebec’ issues and it becomes a very low probability outcome.

TRZ has a market cap just north of $100M. In a takeover scenario, the stock piece is the easy part. The debt is the problem. Leases/loans.

Section 107 should not apply. But with the feds equity stake at risk, nobody should be surprised if MC does his JT impersonation and says that protecting vacations is a matter of ‘national interest’.

Good luck to the TS pilots. But it will be a rocky road ahead.

[Protonpilot]

Air Transat says it will begin suspending flights on Monday, followed by a "complete suspension" on Tuesday. It will also begin repatriating passengers "to prevent them from being stranded abroad if the strike occurs. The goal is to bring back everyone to their point of origin," the airline said.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/air-tran ... -9.7006280

[thepoors]

My Transat friends, whatever you do, please do not settle for a "vendor-dependant" contract.

Not sure what a “vendor dependant” contract means.

It's AC's excuse for why like 70% of our contract hasn't been implemented, 2 years in. Literally hundreds of articles that are extremely simple to implement and the company just decided it doesn't want to. And ALPA is doing nothing to enforce it.

Much like when they said "there's no more money" in negots and ALPA said "oh okay", then the company turns around and buys back $500m in stock.

[fish4life]

I wish the best for AT pilots, I do have reservations about the ability for AT to pay enough to surpass AC though as they have a rough balance sheet.
One thing AT pilots can and need to do though is lock the crap down out of their scope and stop allowing Porter to fly any AT vacation flying.

[Mr. North]

Its hilarious to see all the AC dissident posters pile in here to give their "expert" advice on late stage bargaining. Like they have a clue. Transat pilots will do whats best for them given the circumstances at hand. And those circumstances by the way, are entirely different from those faced by AC or even before with WestJet. Its a small airline vs national carrier, weak balance sheet vs a strong one, and the political environment both provicially and federally is completely different. I could go on..

Theres no sense in trying to correct all the inaccuracies or misinformation being posted here. But I will say this, the wage gains achieved over the last 15 years down south weren't achieved by striking. It was obtained over time and through pattern bargaining.

All the best to our peers at Transat!

[CatherinetheGreat]

Its hilarious to see all the AC dissident posters pile in here to give their "expert" advice on late stage bargaining. Like they have a clue. Transat pilots will do whats best for them given the circumstances at hand. And those circumstances by the way, are entirely different from those faced by AC or even before with WestJet. Its a small airline vs national carrier, weak balance sheet vs a strong one, and the political environment both provicially and federally is completely different. I could go on..

Theres no sense in trying to correct all the inaccuracies or misinformation being posted here. But I will say this, the wage gains achieved over the last 15 years down south weren't achieved by striking. It was obtained over time and through pattern bargaining.

All the best to our peers at Transat!

It is even more hilarious watching the loudest defenders of this third world contract. The level of cognitive dissonance at play must be exhausting.

Meanwhile it has to sting watching the Flight Attendants actually stand up for themselves refuse to fold under pressure and directly challenge Section 107. Their actions alone likely put a real dent in the government’s ability to use that provision in future rounds under the Canada Labour Code.

Now compare that to what AC pilots received which was WestJet plus two percent and a handful of quality of life items with open ended loopholes including supposed wins that cannot even be implemented.

For an MEC that folded when leverage was at its peak this has to be an uncomfortable period. The desperate attempts to spin a narrative that everyone knows exposed how weak they were is not leadership. History remembers those who held ground not those who blinked.

Sucks to be them.

[AllthatJazz]

Its hilarious to see all the AC dissident posters pile in here to give their "expert" advice on late stage bargaining. Like they have a clue. Transat pilots will do whats best for them given the circumstances at hand. And those circumstances by the way, are entirely different from those faced by AC or even before with WestJet. Its a small airline vs national carrier, weak balance sheet vs a strong one, and the political environment both provicially and federally is completely different. I could go on..

Theres no sense in trying to correct all the inaccuracies or misinformation being posted here. But I will say this, the wage gains achieved over the last 15 years down south weren't achieved by striking. It was obtained over time and through pattern bargaining.

All the best to our peers at Transat!

Why do some AC pilots push so hard the capitulation strategy??