Emirates after AC

[cdnavater]

Gotta love how they just can't wrap their minds around pilots quitting AC and say they must have been fired or "allowed to quit". Truly fascinating seeing Stockholm syndrome at work.

Maybe a few from time to time will be framed that way, but AC had no problem listing people that were fired as such... used to be "Article ..." - now I think they leave that and some other reasons for moving to inactive blank so as not violate privacy.

Didn’t AC dismiss a B787 FO couple yrs back for what they considered unacceptable Social Media interaction on the Israel/Gaza situation. They(AC) certainly didn’t hesitate to publicly state the pilot in question no longer works for the Company..

That is a very different situation, the pilot in question made very public actions that made AC look bad, therefore it called for a public dismissal.
In a situation where a pilot doesn’t make it through probation or has been dismissed due to training problems is not a public situation that needs to be on display.

[pelmet]

Another advantage of AC is that if you have an incident(at least after probation), you have more protection. What happened to the taxiway landing guy at SFO, the guy in Fredericton, the guys in Halifax, the guy that thought he was going to have a midair over the Atlantic, the guy in Huatulco, the guy that ran out of gas?

They would have all been canned at Emirates. Then what do you do if it is a recession with no hiring?

That is a very different situation, the pilot in question made very public actions that made AC look bad, therefore it called for a public dismissal.
In a situation where a pilot doesn’t make it through probation or has been dismissed due to training problems is not a public situation that needs to be on display.

Is this guy flying somewhere else?

[MorePlates]

Another advantage of AC is that if you have an incident(at least after probation), you have more protection. What happened to the taxiway landing guy at SFO, the guy in Fredericton, the guys in Halifax, the guy that thought he was going to have a midair over the Atlantic, the guy in Huatulco, the guy that ran out of gas?

They would have all been canned at Emirates. Then what do you do if it is a recession with no hiring?

thepoors has already answered this.

I think one factor being missed here is that all the sandbox airlines have a very stringent hiring process. Just because you decide you want to go to Emirates or Etihad doesn't mean you'll make the cut. You're competing with highly experienced pilots from all over the world. And from what I've heard it often takes multiple attempts for those that end up being successful. Not to mention all the internal politics and racial/cultural/religious prejudices that prevail in that part of the world. It's a completely different ballgame, AC DEI hires need not apply.

[itsgrosswhatinet]

The media indoctrinated the minds of boomers with the idea that younger generations "blew their money on avocado toast" and therefore "don't leave your money to them." That is the programming. Wealth transfer doesn't benefit the banks at all and must be stopped or else the amount of loan interest they earn drops dramatically.

Personally I have a plan to disperse my wealth to my kids while I'm still living while keeping it under the thresholds that trigger the tax man. I can't even imagine thinking otherwise.

[pelmet]

Another thing about Emirates is massive fatigue. At AC, you can bid onto aircraft with shorter flight and close to home time zones. It has way more options.

Plus, you can commute. Emirates demands that you be on base three days prior to your flight.

[Dry Guy]

Is anyone considering the Trump Gold Card? It's $1 million. You should be able to make that back fairly easily at a US major. I don't have the cash but I wonder if you could secure a loan with a strong chance at securing a high paying job.

[flying4dollars]

Winner winner chicken dinner!!!

I'd like to recognize my fellow competitors Eric, alti, cdn and Bede for their efforts but we were thwarted by noise from the angry little keyboard warrior. He needs to be given a participation award or something. Do you guys wanna go in with me on a participation trophy for him? The "look at me, listen to me, pay attention to me" kid needs to be acknowledged for something otherwise I'll feel bad

Haha, I knew it!!! I even made a bet that you’d be the first one to jump on it. You’re definitely deserving of ‘The Clown’ award.

And thank you for the thought of a trophy, but I’ve gotta say I’m disappointed.

Junior AC pilots being broke? Sure, I get that. But at 42 you should’ve already sent me the trophy yourself. You’ve gotta be making enough to not ask everyone else to chip in.

Hey man the rich don't stay rich by paying for everything! Nothing to be disappointed about. You're chirping has finally been recognized. Accept the well deserved accolade! I'm proud of you keyboard warrior! Sweet potato fries at the beaver on me! Yes I will pay the extra over regular fries. Shocking I know, but I'm feeling generous.

[MorePlates]

Hey man the rich don't stay rich by paying for everything! Nothing to be disappointed about. You're chirping has finally been recognized. Accept the well deserved accolade! I'm proud of you keyboard warrior! Sweet potato fries at the beaver on me! Yes I will pay the extra over regular fries. Shocking I know, but I'm feeling generous.

Sweet potato fries? Wow, steady now, wouldn’t want to throw off your ‘rich stay rich’ plan.

Thanks for the accolade. Glad the HOS Clown finally contributed something of value. No disappointment this time… for once.

[MorePlates]

So, are you saying I gotta mail it back to his folks now?

[Eric Janson]

Headlines this morning should also factor into your decision to move out to that part of the world.

Just spoke to some people living in Dubai - it's locked down with people being told to shelter in place.

Airport is closed at the moment - all flights cancelled.

Neighbouring FIRs closed.

There was at least one missile intercepted just offshore near the Marina - an explosion and the entire building where my friend lives shook.

Potential targets would be the base at Al Minhad and possibly Jebel Ali port.

[MorePlates]

Headlines this morning should also factor into your decision to move out to that part of the world.

Just spoke to some people living in Dubai - it's locked down with people being told to shelter in place.

Airport is closed at the moment - all flights cancelled.

Neighbouring FIRs closed.

There was at least one missile intercepted just offshore near the Marina - an explosion and the entire building where my friend lives shook.

Potential targets would be the base at Al Minhad and possibly Jebel Ali port.

Such headlines should probably be weighed against actual long-term reality before deciding where to live.

UAE has a homicide rate around 0.4–0.6 per 100,000. We sit around 1.9 per 100,000 (per Statistics Canada). That’s roughly 3–5 times higher as a baseline, not during a crisis, just normal yearly figures.

Yes, there was a rare regional escalation near Dubai, and it reportedly resulted in one fatality. That’s tragic, and also extremely uncommon.

If we’re using rare worst-case events as the measuring stick, then we should also remember the Nova Scotia or the more recent Tumbler Ridge mass shootings, which resulted in double-digit fatalities. Also rare, but unfortunately more common than what is happening around "that part of the world", and far, far deadlier.

So if the standard is "rare event = unsafe", we’d have to apply it consistently.

Both countries are safe by global standards. But statistically speaking, everyday violent crime is lower in the UAE, and a single intercepted missile resulting in one fatality doesn’t suddenly outweigh long-term crime data.

[Avcanada123]

Headlines this morning should also factor into your decision to move out to that part of the world.

Just spoke to some people living in Dubai - it's locked down with people being told to shelter in place.

Airport is closed at the moment - all flights cancelled.

Neighbouring FIRs closed.

There was at least one missile intercepted just offshore near the Marina - an explosion and the entire building where my friend lives shook.

Potential targets would be the base at Al Minhad and possibly Jebel Ali port.

Such headlines should probably be weighed against actual long-term reality before deciding where to live.

UAE has a homicide rate around 0.4–0.6 per 100,000. We sit around 1.9 per 100,000 (per Statistics Canada). That’s roughly 3–5 times higher as a baseline, not during a crisis, just normal yearly figures.

Yes, there was a rare regional escalation near Dubai, and it reportedly resulted in one fatality. That’s tragic, and also extremely uncommon.

If we’re using rare worst-case events as the measuring stick, then we should also remember the Nova Scotia or the more recent Tumbler Ridge mass shootings, which resulted in double-digit fatalities. Also rare, but unfortunately more common than what is happening around "that part of the world", and far, far deadlier.

So if the standard is "rare event = unsafe", we’d have to apply it consistently.

Both countries are safe by global standards. But statistically speaking, everyday violent crime is lower in the UAE, and a single intercepted missile resulting in one fatality doesn’t suddenly outweigh long-term crime data.

I laughed when you said "Yes, there was a rare regional escalation near Dubai"
Somehow doesn't know middle east politics!

[StonePaul]

Headlines this morning should also factor into your decision to move out to that part of the world.

Just spoke to some people living in Dubai - it's locked down with people being told to shelter in place.

Airport is closed at the moment - all flights cancelled.

Neighbouring FIRs closed.

There was at least one missile intercepted just offshore near the Marina - an explosion and the entire building where my friend lives shook.

Potential targets would be the base at Al Minhad and possibly Jebel Ali port.

Such headlines should probably be weighed against actual long-term reality before deciding where to live.

UAE has a homicide rate around 0.4–0.6 per 100,000. We sit around 1.9 per 100,000 (per Statistics Canada). That’s roughly 3–5 times higher as a baseline, not during a crisis, just normal yearly figures.

Yes, there was a rare regional escalation near Dubai, and it reportedly resulted in one fatality. That’s tragic, and also extremely uncommon.

If we’re using rare worst-case events as the measuring stick, then we should also remember the Nova Scotia or the more recent Tumbler Ridge mass shootings, which resulted in double-digit fatalities. Also rare, but unfortunately more common than what is happening around "that part of the world", and far, far deadlier.

So if the standard is "rare event = unsafe", we’d have to apply it consistently.

Both countries are safe by global standards. But statistically speaking, everyday violent crime is lower in the UAE, and a single intercepted missile resulting in one fatality doesn’t suddenly outweigh long-term crime data.

Oh but but...it's the middle east. You're not supposed to use logic and statistics. Surely it's only north 'murica that's allowed to have mass shootings and killings and have it be called "unfortunate instances" and not label it as terrorism?

[Tbayer2021]

Headlines this morning should also factor into your decision to move out to that part of the world.

Just spoke to some people living in Dubai - it's locked down with people being told to shelter in place.

Airport is closed at the moment - all flights cancelled.

Neighbouring FIRs closed.

There was at least one missile intercepted just offshore near the Marina - an explosion and the entire building where my friend lives shook.

Potential targets would be the base at Al Minhad and possibly Jebel Ali port.

Such headlines should probably be weighed against actual long-term reality before deciding where to live.

UAE has a homicide rate around 0.4–0.6 per 100,000. We sit around 1.9 per 100,000 (per Statistics Canada). That’s roughly 3–5 times higher as a baseline, not during a crisis, just normal yearly figures.

Yes, there was a rare regional escalation near Dubai, and it reportedly resulted in one fatality. That’s tragic, and also extremely uncommon.

If we’re using rare worst-case events as the measuring stick, then we should also remember the Nova Scotia or the more recent Tumbler Ridge mass shootings, which resulted in double-digit fatalities. Also rare, but unfortunately more common than what is happening around "that part of the world", and far, far deadlier.

So if the standard is "rare event = unsafe", we’d have to apply it consistently.

Both countries are safe by global standards. But statistically speaking, everyday violent crime is lower in the UAE, and a single intercepted missile resulting in one fatality doesn’t suddenly outweigh long-term crime data.

Yeah, you'd also be pretty safe in Pyongyang, statistically.......

"Lies, damned lies, and statistics"

You know you've lost the plot when you're arguing a place thats literally getting bombed is "actually not that bad". lol

[MorePlates]

Yeah, you'd also be pretty safe in Pyongyang, statistically.......

"Lies, damned lies, and statistics"

You know you've lost the plot when you're arguing a place thats literally getting bombed is "actually not that bad". lol

You're right, after all, the country faced retaliation from a war it wasn't involved in, and there was one fatality. So pretty unsafe, as I mentioned earlier.

Let me tell you some more about "that part of the world."

Last month, there was a mass shooting that resulted in nine fatalities.

Two months ago, a horse was sexually assaulted in the same country.

Another man there, who had previously been found not criminally responsible for stabbing his daughter to death in 2006 and for a 2017 attack on another psychiatric patient with a butter knife, was allowed to walk free again last year after stabbing three people at a Chinatown festival and was found, surprise surprise, not criminally responsible yet again.

And look at this, at Lapu-Lapu Day in that country, a man drove through the festival, resulting in 11 fatalities, with many more injured.

Five years ago, there was another mass shooting there that resulted in 23 fatalities.

Now I could go on and on, but you get the gist. Huh, look at that, you were right, living in a country where all this happens is a bit concerning.

Oops, wrong country. I wonder which one this could be. Couldn't be better than "that part of the world."

I couldn't care less about the plot, if you want to work for AC and be out on the streets every couple of years with signs begging for a raise, be my guest. Cheers!

[safetyfirst123]

Let's not be too quick to celebrate Emirates' pay. The only reason it's good is due to no income tax. Thankfully there are many other ways to achieve a similar or better result.

[safetyfirst123]

Let's not be too quick to celebrate Emirates' pay. The only reason it's good is due to no income tax. Thankfully there are many other ways to achieve a similar or better result.

So? are you going to list the "many" other ways to achieve "better" or even "similar" results?

Sure. USA. Many other foreign airlines in other parts of the world, not just Emirates. Working in Canada as a non-resident and commuting. Or simply working at a major in Canada and doing lots of overtime or working the system, you won't be far off at all. Sorry, but Emirates isn't the only way to make big bucks as an aviator, and there are plenty of other options. If you look at the actual pay scales themselves at Emirates, they really aren't that impressive.

[MorePlates]

Sure. USA. Many other foreign airlines in other parts of the world, not just Emirates. Working in Canada as a non-resident and commuting. Or simply working at a major in Canada and doing lots of overtime or working the system, you won't be far off at all. Sorry, but Emirates isn't the only way to make big bucks as an aviator, and there are plenty of other options. If you look at the actual pay scales themselves at Emirates, they really aren't that impressive.

USA, yeah, I hear it’s just paradise these days.

"Plenty of other airlines" Sure. Nothing specific, of course. And if we’re talking Middle Eastern carriers, we all know Emirates somehow comes out on top, must be that tiny detail called Dubai.

AC starts at under $6K net. EK is around $20K. Tell me again how much overtime it takes for that to be "not far off at all".

If obsessing over gross numbers and tax theory helps you sleep, keep at it. At the end of the day, what actually matters is what hits your bank account, and Emirates pays.

See you next time AC pilots are out on the streets with cute signs.

[Eric Janson]

Dubai supermarket shelves are increasingly empty - no idea how they're going to get food into the UAE.

Hundreds of thousands trying to get out - currently no way to do so.

It's like watching a train wreck in slow motion. Jmho.

The economic fallout will be huge - I expect the Dubai property market to collapse completely. A lot of people will go bankrupt.

This region has been a mess for 50+ years with multiple wars. People are very naive if they ignore the history. These people have been fighting each other since historical records began.

Even in this thread most of the conversations are about how much tax free money one can earn. Wrong thing to focus on imho.

You can make a lot of money by making smart investments - don't need to be in the UAE for that.

[safetyfirst123]

Sure. USA. Many other foreign airlines in other parts of the world, not just Emirates. Working in Canada as a non-resident and commuting. Or simply working at a major in Canada and doing lots of overtime or working the system, you won't be far off at all. Sorry, but Emirates isn't the only way to make big bucks as an aviator, and there are plenty of other options. If you look at the actual pay scales themselves at Emirates, they really aren't that impressive.

USA, yeah, I hear it’s just paradise these days.

"Plenty of other airlines" Sure. Nothing specific, of course. And if we’re talking Middle Eastern carriers, we all know Emirates somehow comes out on top, must be that tiny detail called Dubai.

AC starts at under $6K net. EK is around $20K. Tell me again how much overtime it takes for that to be "not far off at all".

If obsessing over gross numbers and tax theory helps you sleep, keep at it. At the end of the day, what actually matters is what hits your bank account, and Emirates pays.

See you next time AC pilots are out on the streets with cute signs.

I didn't mention that USA was paradise, but for many it is. What's with the snarky responses? I'm not here to provide you with a list of airlines hiring expats, but yes there are many across the world. There are lots of opportunities for pilots to explore that are not Emirates or the Middle East. Why this is a problem to understand, I'm not sure.

Starting pay at AC is abysmal. But in time with a reasonably quick upgrade, and overtime, yes you can take home good pay. I have friends at Emirates, doing well, but I also know many in Canada who do similarly well. As Eric also mentioned, there are other avenues available, including investments, real estate etc. It's all a big puzzle with many moving parts, and it's up to individuals to find what works best for them, including options that are better suited than Emirates for many people.

[Eric Janson]

So? are you going to list the "many" other ways to achieve "better" or even "similar" results?

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[safetyfirst123]

Dubai supermarket shelves are increasingly empty - no idea how they're going to get food into the UAE.

Hundreds of thousands trying to get out - currently no way to do so.

It's like watching a train wreck in slow motion. Jmho.

The economic fallout will be huge - I expect the Dubai property market to collapse completely. A lot of people will go bankrupt.

This region has been a mess for 50+ years with multiple wars. People are very naive if they ignore the history. These people have been fighting each other since historical records began.

Even in this thread most of the conversations are about how much tax free money one can earn. Wrong thing to focus on imho.

You can make a lot of money by making smart investments - don't need to be in the UAE for that.

Genuine question, why are you lying to make that part of the world look bad? I guess the "facts" aren’t helping you anymore.

Understandably, most people trying to leave are tourists. Residents aren’t panicking at all.

My friends are literally out at a restaurant right now. Running out of food? Shelves empty? Pathetic.

So why lie? Still bitter you couldn't get there, and the airline you were an expat for kicked you out? Let go & move on.

Yes, you can make a lot of money with smart investments, which is why we see AC pilots on the streets with cute little signs.

What's with the attitude? Are we here to learn or is this a schoolyard for you? While AC's contract sucks in many ways, having the ability to protest with cute little signs is something expats don't have in the Middle East. This is a right that I'm glad we have in Canada.

The debate here is whether there are other ways to make money other than going to Emirates, and yes definitely there are. If somebody is at AC with a few years of seniority, left seat, works some overtime and has good investments, they will not be as far behind EK as you make it seem when you look at the whole package. My career has mirrored a good friend that is an A380 captain at EK, and yes his take home pay is up there, but I can assure you that his net worth is not higher than mine. There are also many other expat positions elsewhere, and then the US of course for those that can work there.

[Me262]

Sure. USA. Many other foreign airlines in other parts of the world, not just Emirates. Working in Canada as a non-resident and commuting. Or simply working at a major in Canada and doing lots of overtime or working the system, you won't be far off at all. Sorry, but Emirates isn't the only way to make big bucks as an aviator, and there are plenty of other options. If you look at the actual pay scales themselves at Emirates, they really aren't that impressive.

USA, yeah, I hear it’s just paradise these days.

"Plenty of other airlines" Sure. Nothing specific, of course. And if we’re talking Middle Eastern carriers, we all know Emirates somehow comes out on top, must be that tiny detail called Dubai.

AC starts at under $6K net. EK is around $20K. Tell me again how much overtime it takes for that to be "not far off at all".

If obsessing over gross numbers and tax theory helps you sleep, keep at it. At the end of the day, what actually matters is what hits your bank account, and Emirates pays.

See you next time AC pilots are out on the streets with cute signs.

I didn't mention that USA was paradise, but for many it is. What's with the snarky responses? I'm not here to provide you with a list of airlines hiring expats, but yes there are many across the world. There are lots of opportunities for pilots to explore that are not Emirates or the Middle East. Why this is a problem to understand, I'm not sure.

Starting pay at AC is abysmal. But in time with a reasonably quick upgrade, and overtime, yes you can take home good pay. I have friends at Emirates, doing well, but I also know many in Canada who do similarly well. As Eric also mentioned, there are other avenues available, including investments, real estate etc. It's all a big puzzle with many moving parts, and it's up to individuals to find what works best for them, including options that are better suited than Emirates for many people.

Love the apple to oranges comparison. Real estate? Investments? So basically you need to be a pilot, realtor and broker to have as good QOL as a pilot flying for Emirates. Yes, AC is the bomb. Same with the 50% income tax. Then add sales tax, property tax, gasoline tax, transfer fee tax. And years to see a specialist if you ever need one, putting those taxes to good use.

And regarding USA, what visa are you using to get a job there as a pilot? Maybe I was in a cave and missed it.

[Eric Janson]

Genuine question, why are you lying to make that part of the world look bad? I guess the "facts" aren’t helping you anymore.

Understandably, most people trying to leave are tourists. Residents aren’t panicking at all.

My friends are literally out at a restaurant right now. Running out of food? Shelves empty? Pathetic.

So why lie? Still bitter you couldn't get there, and the airline you were an expat for kicked you out? Let go & move on.

Yes, you can make a lot of money with smart investments, which is why we see AC pilots on the streets with cute little signs.

What am I lying about? - plenty of videos online showing empty shelves in Dubai supermarkets.

90% of food in Dubai is imported - obviously there is a certain amount in storage. This will start to run out.

Let's see if the restaurant your friends were at is still open next week.

Lots of people have driven to Oman. Video interviews with these people on multiple news channels. Residents not tourists.

Huge spike in demand for private jet charters out of the region. Again - not tourists.

The images from the region speak for themselves.

[Bede]

Genuine question, why are you lying to make that part of the world look bad? I guess the "facts" aren’t helping you anymore.

Understandably, most people trying to leave are tourists. Residents aren’t panicking at all.

My friends are literally out at a restaurant right now. Running out of food? Shelves empty? Pathetic.

So why lie? Still bitter you couldn't get there, and the airline you were an expat for kicked you out? Let go & move on.

Yes, you can make a lot of money with smart investments, which is why we see AC pilots on the streets with cute little signs.

What am I lying about? - plenty of videos online showing empty shelves in Dubai supermarkets.

90% of food in Dubai is imported - obviously there is a certain amount in storage. This will start to run out.

Let's see if the restaurant your friends were at is still open next week.

Lots of people have driven to Oman. Video interviews with these people on multiple news channels. Residents not tourists.

Huge spike in demand for private jet charters out of the region. Again - not tourists.

The images from the region speak for themselves.

https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/they-w ... f3?mod=mhp