The TA

[TFTMB heavy]

How about you guys take the insults and reading lessons back over to the AC forum to discuss you CA.

This place would be so much better without the fake accounts and even more so if people could communicate their ideas without calling each other names. There's no way you would talk to each other face to face the same way you do on line.

More info on the TA alter on.

Totally. Sorry about that, just trying to ensure accurate info regarding the AC MBG statements.

Good luck straightening out the juniors that think they are so hard done by...

And good luck with whatever path comes from you TA.

No worries, some of these discussions are interesting as long as you know when to cut your losses...

I learned something about your contract today so it's not all lost and thanks for that.

[khedrei]

I get what youre saying poors, but you do have a guarantee every month. It just isn't always 75 hrs. Perhaps it should be, but thats a different discussion.

My friend on the 67 told me his was 73 hr guarantee this month. So if he flies 65, he still gets 73. Then, at the end of the year this again gets topped up to 900 if it falls short of that.

To come on here saying AC doesnt have a monthly guarantee is dishonest and makes it sound like they could block you for 30 hrs and you won't see the other 45 hrs till year end. Thats not true. My friend was in heaven a few months back when he was flying 30-40 hrs on reserve. He was getting paid for 70ish. Thats a monthly guarantee.

Im the first one to shit on the garbage that is the AC contract. Im the first one to point out that the Sr guys sold the Jr guys down the river. I posted all the quotes from the Sr guys that swore up and down that they would walk if the Jr guys didnt get taken care of. They were here to fight for a living wage. We saw how poorly those quotes aged. Transat did the same sell out, hand 99% of the gains to the top.

But we gotta be honest about things. AC has a monthly guarantee. Its not always 75 hrs, and maybe it should be. But it isn't non existent after year 2.

Again with this stuff, please explain everything SR pilots got that JR pilots didn't?

Is that a serious question....?

A living wage....

Actually, they got a raise of a living wage. The Jr guys didnt even get a living wage.

[cdnavater]

I get what youre saying poors, but you do have a guarantee every month. It just isn't always 75 hrs. Perhaps it should be, but thats a different discussion.

My friend on the 67 told me his was 73 hr guarantee this month. So if he flies 65, he still gets 73. Then, at the end of the year this again gets topped up to 900 if it falls short of that.

To come on here saying AC doesnt have a monthly guarantee is dishonest and makes it sound like they could block you for 30 hrs and you won't see the other 45 hrs till year end. Thats not true. My friend was in heaven a few months back when he was flying 30-40 hrs on reserve. He was getting paid for 70ish. Thats a monthly guarantee.

Im the first one to shit on the garbage that is the AC contract. Im the first one to point out that the Sr guys sold the Jr guys down the river. I posted all the quotes from the Sr guys that swore up and down that they would walk if the Jr guys didnt get taken care of. They were here to fight for a living wage. We saw how poorly those quotes aged. Transat did the same sell out, hand 99% of the gains to the top.

But we gotta be honest about things. AC has a monthly guarantee. Its not always 75 hrs, and maybe it should be. But it isn't non existent after year 2.

Again with this stuff, please explain everything SR pilots got that JR pilots didn't?

Is that a serious question....?

A living wage....

Actually, they got a raise of a living wage. The Jr guys didnt even get a living wage.

I usually just ignore you but unfortunately I read your post.

https://www.ontariolivingwage.ca/update ... 20expenses.

“The Ontario Living Wage Network’s 2025 calculations show an average living wage increase across our 10 regions of 5.3%, reflecting a higher increase compared to the 2024 rate announcement last year. This is reflective of increased accuracy of rental costs being included in the calculation.

As expected, the Greater Toronto Area continues to have the highest living wage rate at $27.20, up from $26.00, although this increase is not as steep as other regions. The Southwest region that includes Windsor and Essex Counties has the highest jump of +8.3 per cent, from $19.85 to $21.50 Despite the annual October 1st increase to the provincial minimum wage to $17.60, there is still no place in Ontario where you could work full-time and cover all your expenses.”

[khedrei]

I wish you would ignore me. Would save me some time.

You understand a higher living wage is bad right?

Those are also garbage articles. They calculate what it means to "just get by" likely living in the cheapest possible conditions. Not spending extra money. Basement apartment, roommates, etc. Which was exactly my point. 85k in yyz is just getting by. I challamge you to find somewhere to live in yyz on 85k, pay for an apartment, car, insurance, food, cell phone, and everything else.

Let me know how it goes...

So while it may qualify as a living wage by our government ( the ones who claim inflation was only 2.7% or whatever when prices of food and housing have nearly doubled in 5 years) it certainly doesnt qualify as a living wage by the vast majority of people.

[thepoors]

Again with this stuff, please explain everything SR pilots got that JR pilots didn't?

Is that a serious question....?

A living wage....

Actually, they got a raise of a living wage. The Jr guys didnt even get a living wage.

I usually just ignore you but unfortunately I read your post.

https://www.ontariolivingwage.ca/update ... 20expenses.

“The Ontario Living Wage Network’s 2025 calculations show an average living wage increase across our 10 regions of 5.3%, reflecting a higher increase compared to the 2024 rate announcement last year. This is reflective of increased accuracy of rental costs being included in the calculation.

As expected, the Greater Toronto Area continues to have the highest living wage rate at $27.20, up from $26.00, although this increase is not as steep as other regions. The Southwest region that includes Windsor and Essex Counties has the highest jump of +8.3 per cent, from $19.85 to $21.50 Despite the annual October 1st increase to the provincial minimum wage to $17.60, there is still no place in Ontario where you could work full-time and cover all your expenses.”

Please explain to me how $56k/yr pre-tax ($27.20 @ 40hrs/wk) is a living wage in the GTA where the avg 1-bed rental is $2500/mo.

Or are you arguing that because no one could have a living wage with those salary numbers that no one deserves it?

[TFTMB heavy]

I get what youre saying poors, but you do have a guarantee every month. It just isn't always 75 hrs. Perhaps it should be, but thats a different discussion.

My friend on the 67 told me his was 73 hr guarantee this month. So if he flies 65, he still gets 73. Then, at the end of the year this again gets topped up to 900 if it falls short of that.

To come on here saying AC doesnt have a monthly guarantee is dishonest and makes it sound like they could block you for 30 hrs and you won't see the other 45 hrs till year end. Thats not true. My friend was in heaven a few months back when he was flying 30-40 hrs on reserve. He was getting paid for 70ish. Thats a monthly guarantee.

Im the first one to shit on the garbage that is the AC contract. Im the first one to point out that the Sr guys sold the Jr guys down the river. I posted all the quotes from the Sr guys that swore up and down that they would walk if the Jr guys didnt get taken care of. They were here to fight for a living wage. We saw how poorly those quotes aged. Transat did the same sell out, hand 99% of the gains to the top.

But we gotta be honest about things. AC has a monthly guarantee. Its not always 75 hrs, and maybe it should be. But it isn't non existent after year 2.

Again with this stuff, please explain everything SR pilots got that JR pilots didn't?

Is that a serious question....?

A living wage....

Actually, they got a raise of a living wage. The Jr guys didnt even get a living wage.

You just keep repeating the same stuff over and over, people live with less BTW. You bring no facts with regards to the contract being 99% to the top.

Years 1 FO pay raise is 28.5%. Captain year 1 20.7%. Captain top scale 23.6%.

The jump from year 1 to 2 in almost 13k, no mention of that. YOS and pension are more beneficial to the younger crowd.

[khedrei]

Again with this stuff, please explain everything SR pilots got that JR pilots didn't?

Is that a serious question....?

A living wage....

Actually, they got a raise of a living wage. The Jr guys didnt even get a living wage.

You just keep repeating the same stuff over and over, people live with less BTW. You bring no facts with regards to the contract being 99% to the top.

Years 1 FO pay raise is 28.5%. Captain year 1 20.7%. Captain top scale 23.6%.

The jump from year 1 to 2 in almost 13k, no mention of that. YOS and pension are more beneficial to the younger crowd.

Ok, well lets start with this. My bank doesn't take % as payment for mortgage. And niether does anyone else. Raw numbers are all that matter. When the wages are as low as they are, the % NEEDS to be a much larger number to actually bring things back to where they need to be.

I was off on my 100k number, but it looks like Captains got a 40-50k raise accross the board while the Jr FOs got 21k. If you like %'s , thats a 100-150% larger raise than the jr FO's got.

Ive said it many times in the AC thread, when you are already making 200k+ per year, your QOL and happiness is not going to change substantially by getting an extra 50-100k. The different between 60k and 120k is life changing. The difference between 200k and 300k is not, even though the number is much bigger. If you don't understand this, then you have not lived in that situation, or you if you have, it was so long ago that you don't remember. I'm not being a smart ass here, I genuinly am not sure if you understand this point.

Clearly my 99% comment was not meant to be taken seriously. I sincerely apologize if it came off that way. I'm not sure there is any way to divy up the % of gains and where they went exactly. But depending on how many people are at the top of the scale, it would be dishonest to say that most of the money didn't go there.

If you think I'm a JR whiner, ill nip that in the butt right now. I'm not making these comments because Im not making that kind of money, even though I am actually not making that kind of money. But I am very financially stable and confortable. I worked my ass off for over 20 years, a lot of it in a different industry and still never made that kind of money. But I lived exactly the way you preached previousy. I didn't buy starbucks, don't buy the newest gadgets, and practice delayed gratification. I agree that a lot of young people should live smarter financially. I'm glad I did. It allows me to do what I want at this stage of my life. I have several airplanes, fly them all over the continent. I wouldn't have been able to do that had I not lived within my means for so long or worked as hard as I did. But that doesn't change the fact that the group that got the biggest raises were already doing well. The group that got the smallest, were the ones struggling the most. The ones that chose it were the ones at the top.

Seems to be the way things go though. Transfer all that money upwards... Screw the guys down at the bottom. This isn't the only industry. Happens everywhere.

[khedrei]

Also, pension great, though i haven't seen any details.

Tell me though, how does YOS help year 1-2 FOs? I can see how it helps people in the middle... but not the JR guys.

[TFTMB heavy]

Is that a serious question....?

A living wage....

Actually, they got a raise of a living wage. The Jr guys didnt even get a living wage.

You just keep repeating the same stuff over and over, people live with less BTW. You bring no facts with regards to the contract being 99% to the top.

Years 1 FO pay raise is 28.5%. Captain year 1 20.7%. Captain top scale 23.6%.

The jump from year 1 to 2 in almost 13k, no mention of that. YOS and pension are more beneficial to the younger crowd.

Ok, well lets start with this. My bank doesn't take % as payment for mortgage. And niether does anyone else. Raw numbers are all that matter. When the wages are as low as they are, the % NEEDS to be a much larger number to actually bring things back to where they need to be.

I was off on my 100k number, but it looks like Captains got a 40-50k raise accross the board while the Jr FOs got 21k. If you like %'s , thats a 100-150% larger raise than the jr FO's got.

Ive said it many times in the AC thread, when you are already making 200k+ per year, your QOL and happiness is not going to change substantially by getting an extra 50-100k. The different between 60k and 120k is life changing. The difference between 200k and 300k is not, even though the number is much bigger. If you don't understand this, then you have not lived in that situation, or you if you have, it was so long ago that you don't remember. I'm not being a smart ass here, I genuinly am not sure if you understand this point.

Clearly my 99% comment was not meant to be taken seriously. I sincerely apologize if it came off that way. I'm not sure there is any way to divy up the % of gains and where they went exactly. But depending on how many people are at the top of the scale, it would be dishonest to say that most of the money didn't go there.

If you think I'm a JR whiner, ill nip that in the butt right now. I'm not making these comments because Im not making that kind of money, even though I am actually not making that kind of money. But I am very financially stable and confortable. I worked my ass off for over 20 years, a lot of it in a different industry and still never made that kind of money. But I lived exactly the way you preached previousy. I didn't buy starbucks, don't buy the newest gadgets, and practice delayed gratification. I agree that a lot of young people should live smarter financially. I'm glad I did. It allows me to do what I want at this stage of my life. I have several airplanes, fly them all over the continent. I wouldn't have been able to do that had I not lived within my means for so long or worked as hard as I did. But that doesn't change the fact that the group that got the biggest raises were already doing well. The group that got the smallest, were the ones struggling the most. The ones that chose it were the ones at the top.

Seems to be the way things go though. Transfer all that money upwards... Screw the guys down at the bottom. This isn't the only industry. Happens everywhere.

The reality is that it's mostly negotiated in % with some tweaks here and there. Looks like the pascale for the FOs had such a tweak at the bottom. I haven't put it in Excel and checked the slope and I probably won't to be honest. Hopefully they put it up on the screen at the road show. Most airlines protect themselves on years 1-2 for new hire training and attrition. TS has been burned hard the last few years by people leaving during training or shortly after.

I remember quite well how it was when I had much less money and had to support a young family. I made a fraction of what AC pilots were making flying a wide body back then and even with the bump one this TA I'll make $40/hour less still and I'm not factoring their 71 hours of NAV pay at close to $17/hour. FOs are making similar money though...

We have status pay here so that explains part of the wage discrepancy and I'm ok with that. 321 operation isn't easy, I've done both and the 330 flying is easier in my opinion. Senior guys could complain and ask for two pay scales and hog those positions, I never hear anything like that. We have one pay scale and it evens out the life style on both.

Transat has a long history of putting money in the bottom portion of the pay scales, limiting vacation during peak times of the year to one week per pilot, trying to give everyone either Xmas of new years day off. All of these things over the years were "taken" from the SR pilots.

I remember one contract (2010) where the new hires were screwed royally with fixed rates below year 1, these were not even indexed year over year. In 2015 thru bargaining we were able to rectify it. The bottom of the pay scales saw the most money put in. 2020 the CA extension had us with learning entry salaries in Canada until other companies bargained higher wages.

This place is different but it's not for everyone.

[TFTMB heavy]

Also, pension great, though i haven't seen any details.

Tell me though, how does YOS help year 1-2 FOs? I can see how it helps people in the middle... but not the JR guys.

Not immediately but they will fully benefit from it upon upgrade. It's not a cheap item to bargain. Can't put all the money in year 1-2, some people have been thru those steps already and they deserve an adjustment too. You don't bargain solely for people that aren't hired yet.

[3rdWorldClassPilot]

Insult insult blah blah blah insult insult toss more shit. What is your defect dude? Did nobody love you as a child?

The fact is there is a monthly MBG that is variable based on DBM for both block holders and reserve pilots. I detailed it earlier which you ignored. I provided the relevant article references and khedrei even clipped a screen shot, but you don't seem to grasp it. You are guaranteed at least that credit for the block month when you get your pay on the 17th.

In addition to the monthly MBG's there is an annual guarantee.

I'm not defending the nature of it or the amounts, only pointing out what it is.

Also remember the context in the evolution of the collective agreement. that before 2012 Air Canada pilots were restricted to 75 hours MAXIMUM per month. If you had too much block growth you had to drop flying. There was no overtime. Draft and premium pay opportunities were exceedingly rare, credit months in the 60s was the norm. Also reserve was far far lower of an MBG relative DBM. The contract needs to continue to evolve moving forward.

Another epic post from Altiplano showing his disconnect and head in the sand.

Credit month in the 60 hours still is the norm. Did you even look at the DBMs for January? Many fleets at 70 hrs. What does this mean?

Reserve is at 68 hrs and min credit is 65 hrs. This means compared to Air Transat at 75 hrs, they are getting up to 10 hrs more per month. That's a huge deal.

A proper contract has a straight forward MONTHLY GUARANTEE. Repeat this in your head. Please.

[altiplano]

Holy Fock. Get off their thread already... I was simply pointing out that there is in fact a DBM, not saying it couldn't be better, for these guys to have an accurate comparison.

Go work on your comprehension.

[737Drver]

Holy Fock. Get off their thread already... I was simply pointing out that there is in fact a DBM, not saying it couldn't be better, for these guys to have an accurate comparison.

Go work on your comprehension.

No you weren't. I spelled it out for you 10 posts ago and you continued being a dense twat.

How do Air Canada pilots budget with so much unknown next month. Seems wild that you could be down to 65 hrs one month without much warning.

Westjet seems to be leading with a 77.5 hrs guarantee. Makes for easy budgeting.

Good work Transat pilots on making some key gains. We are next and will be pushing hard. Don't have a ton of faith in what the AC crew can do based on their performances so good to see a group get somewhere in negots.

[thepoors]

Holy Fock. Get off their thread already... I was simply pointing out that there is in fact a DBM, not saying it couldn't be better, for these guys to have an accurate comparison.

Go work on your comprehension.

No you weren't. I spelled it out for you 10 posts ago and you continued being a dense twat.

How do Air Canada pilots budget with so much unknown next month. Seems wild that you could be down to 65 hrs one month without much warning.

Westjet seems to be leading with a 77.5 hrs guarantee. Makes for easy budgeting.

Good work Transat pilots on making some key gains. We are next and will be pushing hard. Don't have a ton of faith in what the AC crew can do based on their performances so good to see a group get somewhere in negots.

Well according to the out of touch geezers here an AC FOs monthly budget looks something like this:

iPhone - $1500
Starbucks - $1200
Avocado toast - $750
Downtown Toronto rent - $250
Crockpot - $150
Feeding their family - $50??
Privilege of sitting next to a boomer - priceless

[altiplano]

Holy Fock. Get off their thread already... I was simply pointing out that there is in fact a MBG, not saying it couldn't be better, for these guys to have an accurate comparison.

Go work on your comprehension.

No you weren't. I spelled it out for you 10 posts ago and you continued being a dense twat.

Yeah. I was pointing out that the Minimum Block Guarantee exists, it's there in black and white in the posted contract article. A higher MBG would be better, maybe a more consistent MBG would be better. Whatever, I was just detailing the terms of the article which you still don't seem to understand.

I suggest that we let Transat pilots talk about their MBG in this thread and move on.

[khedrei]

No you weren't. I spelled it out for you 10 posts ago and you continued being a dense twat.

How do Air Canada pilots budget with so much unknown next month. Seems wild that you could be down to 65 hrs one month without much warning.

Westjet seems to be leading with a 77.5 hrs guarantee. Makes for easy budgeting.

Good work Transat pilots on making some key gains. We are next and will be pushing hard. Don't have a ton of faith in what the AC crew can do based on their performances so good to see a group get somewhere in negots.

Well according to the out of touch geezers here an AC FOs monthly budget looks something like this:

iPhone - $1500
Starbucks - $1200
Avocado toast - $750
Downtown Toronto rent - $250
Crockpot - $150
Feeding their family - $50??
Privilege of sitting next to a boomer - priceless

Thats actually really funny. I laughed so hard I spit out $80 worth of Starbucks and dropped my $1500 iPhone into mu crockpot of hamburger helper.

Maybe cndavater can come in here to explain that because he went bankrupt when he was younger, all the young guys now deserve to also be bankrupt and he now deserves to keep it all at the top. Thats why the contracts are done they way they are. Screw the bottom guys. He has said it himself in pretty much those exact words.

Now man up and make it work or STFU and GTFO.

[cdnavater]

I wish you would ignore me. Would save me some time.

You understand a higher living wage is bad right?

Those are also garbage articles. They calculate what it means to "just get by" likely living in the cheapest possible conditions. Not spending extra money. Basement apartment, roommates, etc. Which was exactly my point. 85k in yyz is just getting by. I challamge you to find somewhere to live in yyz on 85k, pay for an apartment, car, insurance, food, cell phone, and everything else.

Let me know how it goes...

So while it may qualify as a living wage by our government ( the ones who claim inflation was only 2.7% or whatever when prices of food and housing have nearly doubled in 5 years) it certainly doesnt qualify as a living wage by the vast majority of people.

I’m not the one who claimed they don’t even get a living wage, you literally said they don’t get a living wage, I posted a fact and the government sources were lower so I even even went more conservative for you!

[cdnavater]

I usually just ignore you, but unfortunately I read your post.

The title of Windbag that I gave you was spot on. Your buddy altiplano seems to have improved a bit, but you? Still an absolute clown.

khedrei wasn’t pointing to the literal government definition (though we can get into how ridiculous that calculation is if you insist on being stupid) when he said living wage, but rather a wage enough to support the lifestyle anyone would expect a pilot at a legacy to have, but alas, you’re too dense to grasp that.

The senior guys pocketed six-figure raises, while year 1–2 pilots at the biggest airline in this country live the shittiest lifestyle compared to juniors at most other legacies.

Now don’t cry to your wife and run away like you did before, debate that, or crawl back to that shithole of a house in the middle of nowhere that you claim to adore.

You, the WindBag of AvCanada, are a disgrace to the pilot community, parading around with what you think are clever gotcha lines like “AC pilots get more than a living wage, here I got sources,” completely failing to realize that even stringing those words together in reference to the flag carrier’s pilots is utterly shameful.

It’s funny but also sad that you think you have any sway whatsoever with how I post, I actually just have you blocked as the usefulness of your posts are approaching zero. Since you quoted me, I figured it would be rude not to respond but don’t expect that to continue as my give a shit meter about your opinion is less than zero.
I suspect if you are the same personality IRL as you are on the keyboard, you’ll find it very difficult getting hired in the future, maybe Jazz will be desperate enough but they have shown to be able to weed out pilots like you, extremely arrogant and self righteous narcissist.

That's rich from the guy who's at Jazz and never made it to the big leagues. You peaked at a regional buddy, you shouldn't be talking down to anyone.

Wow, not everyone wants to go to “the big leagues”, fact, I would have had to give up a DB pension to go to AC so I didn’t go. Never turned down from them but you keep thinking what you want to think but when I retire in a few years, I guarantee one thing, when I’m travelling around I hope not to get on a an airplane with you at the controls, unfortunately I have no control over that. I guess I could use WJ!

[Tbayer2021]

Huh? Then tell me what "go play with a farm animal" means in your books?

Are you saying its a kind, well intentioned insult? You simply meant that I should go ride a horse right?

Seriously... get real. Everyone knows what disgusting insults like that mean. Even you know what it means.

AI thinks you have some issues, not me though, I think you’re great!
“When your mind jumps to the worst-case scenario, it's a mental habit called catastrophizing, a type of cognitive distortion where you magnify problems and assume the most terrible outcome, often fueled by anxiety or past experiences, leading to intense stress and distress rather than productive preparation”
“The pattern of paranoid thoughts where neutral or innocent remarks are consistently interpreted as having a hidden, negative, or malicious meaning is known as interpersonal sensitivity or, in more severe cases, a feature of paranoid ideation”

You didnt answer my question...

He won't. Just like he didn't want to answer mine when he was trying to show how difficult he had it with his 9% interest. Yeah, 9%........9% on a place that cost him 2 blueberries and a paper clip.

[330heavy]

Moreplates, the self proclaimed part time instructor, insulting those at Jazz and well, every air carrier. That to me, and anyone shows moreplates is moreclown. If he/she is what he/she says it is, then again, aviation ain't for you, and you will not get far, especially with the lack of mental and emotional intelligence, so adios. However, I suspect as Dan mentioned just another troll account that goes by a few other handles circle jerking eachother on starting pay.

Back to the scheduled program. Roadshows conducted in YUL and YYZ, good turn outs, and clarification on a few things. Good to see the graphs where we stand compared to AC and WJ. We are closer to AC, but given we work less to get that is a big win. And with WJ next up to negotiate, they can improve on what our union managed to get, which by the sounds of it was not easy and a hard fought battle to the end, so once again, a huge thanks and congratulations to the negots committee and MEC.

And if those who think we sold out FOs, if thats the case we will only see this pass with 60-70% or less or even a NO. I imagine it'll be a lot more that vote YES, which will tell you what those FOs really think.

[khedrei]

And if those who think we sold out FOs, if thats the case we will only see this pass with 60-70% or less or even a NO. I imagine it'll be a lot more that vote YES, which will tell you what those FOs really think.

You're right. Basically what happened at AC. Time will tell.

[DanWEC]

From a Company perspective, a home run is a 51% vote. Means they didn't give a penny more than they had to. My bet is this one will likely pass in the 60's. But, we need to vote how we see fit to represent our own individual position, nothing else.

I've always defended the culture at TS, and I think everyone on the team did a great job with the negots. I'm appreciative of the collaborative relationship the company has with the union, and I think we perform best long term when we're all working together. You don't see any Transat guys just flinging shit everywhere, and as such I don't know if there was more than a single post or two here during the negots.

That being said, no contract is perfect. We had some welcome lifestyle gains and modest pay increases at a time when, in another life, the company would be asking for concessions.
On that note of pay... that'll be the sticking point for some. We had a lot of catching up to do and market rate is market rate. The big question is whether the group feels the QOL gains offset the company's initial offer for wages. We also need to hear tangible results of exactly how things like 100% DH will actually affect the schedule in order to make our decision.

[330heavy]

Moreplates, the self proclaimed part time instructor, insulting those at Jazz and well, every air carrier. That to me, and anyone shows moreplates is moreclown. If he/she is what he/she says it is, then again, aviation ain't for you, and you will not get far, especially with the lack of mental and emotional intelligence, so adios. However, I suspect as Dan mentioned just another troll account that goes by a few other handles circle jerking eachother on starting pay.

I don’t need to dig through your history to know exactly what you’re doing with your life. Whatever I’d find would just confirm what’s already obvious, you’d still be a nobody, just like that other clown who couldn’t even make it to the big leagues, flawed as it is in this country.

I am who I say I am, a part-time instructor. Why don’t you enlighten us with your age, your pay, and who you actually fly for? It’s fine, I know you won’t. You’d rather avoid giving everyone something else to laugh about.

Aviation clearly wasn’t for you or that other clown, for that matter. Unfortunately, people like you slipped through because an earlier generation had everything handed to them and then ran the industry into the ground for the rest of us. Don’t worry about whether this is for me or not, and be grateful you got lucky.

I’ve seen your insults and emotional volatility/disregulation on other threads. I’ve noticed you dig into many that engage you in an attempt to stir some sort of reaction.

You have often accused other users of things that are more appropriately a reflection of yourself. Typical of your emotionalism.

Just know everyone can see through the juvenile jabs. Go ahead and find dirt and read my post history if that satisfies your emotional need.


Anyway, how many days per month do Transat guys typically work holding a line?

That varies, quite a number approach their 3 t/l in 90 day limit. On a yearly basis, looking at 5-600 hrs flight time, some more or less than that.

[cdnavater]

It’s funny but also sad that you think you have any sway whatsoever with how I post, I actually just have you blocked as the usefulness of your posts are approaching zero. Since you quoted me, I figured it would be rude not to respond but don’t expect that to continue as my give a shit meter about your opinion is less than zero.
I suspect if you are the same personality IRL as you are on the keyboard, you’ll find it very difficult getting hired in the future, maybe Jazz will be desperate enough but they have shown to be able to weed out pilots like you, extremely arrogant and self righteous narcissist.

You work at Jazz? HAHAHAHA, That’s honestly hilarious and also kind of sad. But it explains everything. Now it’s clear why you spend so much time here being salty. Working for AC is already trash given how far that “legacy” has fallen, but Jazz? That’s just embarrassing.

What do you net, around $10k a month if you’re lucky? You know what, I don’t even feel annoyed anymore. I just pity you. It’s hard to find words for how utterly useless that is.

You were right about your company though, and that’s exactly why you work there. Because even the shittiest legacies in the world took one look at you and laughed you out of their interviews.

Spoiler alert - Now we also know why your wife wants to stay far away from big cities, she’s embarrassed of someone too.

First to stay on topic, as far as I can tell a lot of the celebration of this contract seems to be about the QOL items added, the wages are not significantly better than AC at the bottom and far below the 330 wages at the top AC scale.
Given the fact that it is a partly blended rate, 321/330 scale I say great but AC won’t make any wage gains based on that fact, WJ won’t either since they have a separate 37/87 scale and also given the fact the Transat balance sheet isn’t great, good job.
I find it strange how much praise that is being given based on that, there must be things I’m missing because some of the most angry AC pilots seem to be throwing praise your way.
I can’t wait to see the details and of course I’m not throwing shade, Jazz pilots have our own issues to deal with.

[Sulako]

Wow my mousing hand is cramping from having to delete so many posts.

Let's try to keep things on-topic, shall we? I kept any post that remotely had some information regarding the actual topic. I'll keep an eye on this thread and on the Transat forum for a little while; people who can't play nice will be removed.