Anyone else seated in the hiring pool, chilling?😛

[flieslikeachicken]

One of my friend from Porter told me that all classes, including Dash & E2 both have been postponed until March.

Confirmed, as of now classes delayed until March. Embraer cannot get engines, and wings now due to procurement from third party vendors.

Not sure why people are still asking "anyone get a ground school date" when they have this information posted here.

No ground school for external hires for January or February. I don't expect to hear anything further for at least two more weeks.

[Curious_pilot24]

Anyone have updates?

[cjp]

Not a lot of news, from what we can see is that there is a new class for the E2 today, which was entirely Dash 8 - or as one of our former Dash 8, current E2 trainer says in jest, the Q-cumber. Love that guy. It looks like there is an upgrade class running at some point and likely another new hire class in April if the chatter turns out to be true.

For now it's steady as she goes. A lot of unrest in the world currently - while we have apparent stability as an organization, I see them (management) being cautious about returning to business as usual, particularly with ALPA in negotiations. Everything is pushed to 2027 for normal growth, and even that may be speculative due to the wild weasel south of the border. Trump, and his policies, were not forecast when the E2's fired up.

[flieslikeachicken]

particularly with ALPA in negotiations

You mean the negotiations where the company lied to the union in the first session saying that there was nothing of value that would affect bargaining and then ended the session early because they wanted to get off early. Next they were kind enough to drop the bombshell of "we're closing two bases" immediately prior to the second session. How about then cancelling the next session "because it's snowing," and the one afterward "because one of our lawyers died." You know, there hasn't been a session since then (January 26) because the company cancelled ALL sessions in February and "possibly March."

I'm not sure if you are D8 or E2, but the Dash Trash got a bulletin where they were bragging about "The Benefit" of the US Pre-Clearance at the island and how one of them is that "Crew stays onboard to complete grooming and maintain Porter standards (no third-party groomers)." Yay, more unpaid work.

Management needs to get their act together and work with their flight crew instead of treating them like the garbage they make them gather.

[cjp]

particularly with ALPA in negotiations

You mean the negotiations where the company lied to the union in the first session saying that there was nothing of value that would affect bargaining and then ended the session early because they wanted to get off early. Next they were kind enough to drop the bombshell of "we're closing two bases" immediately prior to the second session. How about then cancelling the next session "because it's snowing," and the one afterward "because one of our lawyers died." You know, there hasn't been a session since then (January 26) because the company cancelled ALL sessions in February and "possibly March."

I'm not sure if you are D8 or E2, but the Dash ***** (no need) got a bulletin where they were bragging about "The Benefit" of the US Pre-Clearance at the island and how one of them is that "Crew stays onboard to complete grooming and maintain Porter standards (no third-party groomers)." Yay, more unpaid work.

Management needs to get their act together and work with their flight crew instead of treating them like the garbage they make them gather.

E2, and yeah I didn't want to air the challenges the team has been managing. Any DH on the D8, I'm the first one to roll up my sleeves to lend a hand on a turn.

We'll get there.

[flieslikeachicken]

E2, and yeah I didn't want to air the challenges the team has been managing. Any DH on the D8, I'm the first one to roll up my sleeves to lend a hand on a turn.

We'll get there.

Lend no hand for grooming. We are pilots, not groomers.

As per the SOP, Captains will participate in the aircraft grooming prior to conducting the pre-flight exterior check unless there is a question or concern regarding the serviceability of the aircraft that may affect the timely dispatch of the aircraft. The aircraft are old and there are things needing to be written up every day on them. Captains should discover those items and write them up prior to grooming.

First officers will participate in the aircraft grooming prior to preparation for the next sector unless there is a workload or preparation issue that may affect the timely dispatch of the aircraft. Since first officers are responsible for 90% of the pre-flight preparation in the cockpit, they should be completing that prior to assisting in the cabin.

We are not paid to work during turns, therefore we shall not do work during turns.

[Grey_Wolf]

Lend no hand for grooming. We are pilots, not groomers.

There was a time not so long ago (before the jets arrived), that management had sent a memo that "anyone on staff" that was: commuting, deadheading, or using staff travel to any extent was required to stay behind and help groom. It was sold as: "We are one unified, capable, caring team gladly assisting one another". That quickly went away when a several Captains called out Senior Management as they tried to deplane without "rolling up their sleeves".

Once the E2 arrived, it was expected that the crew grooms. The Flight Crews said "hard pass, it's below our level"; and doesn't do it. Cleaners/groomers were hired to do the work. Furthermore, E2 Flight Crew can't assist with cabin security sweeps (internal memo) as they "haven't been trained" to do it.

The only headscratcher is why the Dash Flight Crew hasn't fought harder to say stuff it! The workaround is quite simple; the SOPs are quite clear, take your time to complete your checks and programming and *if* there is any leftover time, then maybe consider helping out.

That said, there are those that were on the Dash previously, and don't mind taking time out of their day to help out. It's the exception, not the norm.

It'll hopefully get sorted out in negotiations.

[cjp]

Lend no hand for grooming. We are pilots, not groomers.

Once the E2 arrived, it was expected that the crew grooms. The Flight Crews said "hard pass, it's below our level"; and doesn't do it. Cleaners/groomers were hired to do the work. Furthermore, E2 Flight Crew can't assist with cabin security sweeps (internal memo) as they "haven't been trained" to do it.

It was also because we took massive delays trying to groom a 132 seat aircraft. I think the going thought was finish the setup, once that's complete, assist. Setup starting taking longer and longer. Then cabin crew got pretty hot and bothered. Is it written somewhere that on the Dash side, the flight crew are expected to groom the aircraft? For that matter the cabin crew?

I know the cabin crew are still hot and bothered with the security checks to go to international. For a while there they were trying to convince flight crew they should be helping with the security checks. Response is always, "We do, ours are in the flight deck''.

[flyinhigh]

It was also because we took massive delays trying to groom a 132 seat aircraft. I think the going thought was finish the setup, once that's complete, assist. Setup starting taking longer and longer. Then cabin crew got pretty hot and bothered. Is it written somewhere that on the Dash side, the flight crew are expected to groom the aircraft? For that matter the cabin crew?

Company put it in the DH8 SOP therefore, not grooming would be a violation. Unlike at WJ and the E2 there was nothing written. In fact when the E2 came to Porter and they tried to make us groom, the former Chief Pilot sent a memo saying we had to do it as per the FAM section ____. I'm sorry since when does a pilot follow the flight attendant manual, let alone even read that manual.

Needless to say, no one followed it and soon after launch grooming was done third party.

[flieslikeachicken]

It was also because we took massive delays trying to groom a 132 seat aircraft. I think the going thought was finish the setup, once that's complete, assist. Setup starting taking longer and longer. Then cabin crew got pretty hot and bothered. Is it written somewhere that on the Dash side, the flight crew are expected to groom the aircraft? For that matter the cabin crew?

Company put it in the DH8 SOP therefore, not grooming would be a violation. Unlike at WJ and the E2 there was nothing written. In fact when the E2 came to Porter and they tried to make us groom, the former Chief Pilot sent a memo saying we had to do it as per the FAM section ____. I'm sorry since when does a pilot follow the flight attendant manual, let alone even read that manual.

Needless to say, no one followed it and soon after launch grooming was done third party.

It's in the FOM.

Just remember, grooming is a benefit!

The Benefit: Streamlined Destinations

While the YTZ departure process is more rigorous, arrival at US destinations will be significantly
faster:

• Faster Turns: No need to exit the aircraft to clear customs at the destination.
• Onboard Grooming: Crew stays onboard to complete grooming and maintain Porter
  standards (no third-party groomers).

Just stop fucking grooming. You have pilot duties to complete whether it's prep for the next flight to prevent delays, or securing the aircraft after flight.

[TeePeeCreeper]

It was also because we took massive delays trying to groom a 132 seat aircraft. I think the going thought was finish the setup, once that's complete, assist. Setup starting taking longer and longer. Then cabin crew got pretty hot and bothered. Is it written somewhere that on the Dash side, the flight crew are expected to groom the aircraft? For that matter the cabin crew?

Company put it in the DH8 SOP therefore, not grooming would be a violation. Unlike at WJ and the E2 there was nothing written. In fact when the E2 came to Porter and they tried to make us groom, the former Chief Pilot sent a memo saying we had to do it as per the FAM section ____. I'm sorry since when does a pilot follow the flight attendant manual, let alone even read that manual.

Needless to say, no one followed it and soon after launch grooming was done third party.

It's in the FOM.

Just remember, grooming is a benefit!

The Benefit: Streamlined Destinations

While the YTZ departure process is more rigorous, arrival at US destinations will be significantly
faster:

• Faster Turns: No need to exit the aircraft to clear customs at the destination.
• Onboard Grooming: Crew stays onboard to complete grooming and maintain Porter
  standards (no third-party groomers).

Just stop fucking grooming. You have pilot duties to complete whether it's prep for the next flight to prevent delays, or securing the aircraft after flight.

That’s cute in principle.

Have you no empathy for your fellow crew members?

[goingnowherefast]

It would be completely ineffective if one, or even five people stopped grooming. So, how would one organize a fleet wide ceasing of grooming? Maybe wait for a union to pull their weight and have it part of the contract?

Anyway, its been March for over a week. When are the next groundschools for new hires? Is Porter even hiring anymore?

[Inverted2]

I can’t imagine being told to groom the aircraft between flights. It’s a minimum wage job for simpletons, not airline pilots.

[WX_Radar]

It would be completely ineffective if one, or even five people stopped grooming. So, how would one organize a fleet wide ceasing of grooming? Maybe wait for a union to pull their weight and have it part of the contract?

Anyway, its been March for over a week. When are the next groundschools for new hires? Is Porter even hiring anymore?

Only internal transfers from Dash to E2 for the foreseeable future. No word on Dash hiring. Interviews seem to be happening, I guess keep adding to the pool.