AC 767 Sim Eval

[flyguy321]

Hey all, has anyone completed the 767 sim eval recently? Any feedback on what to expect? Thanks

[WildWings]

Hey there, I'm curious whether you've done your sim eval ? I have one coming up in a couple of weeks. Any pointers would be appreciated

[CaptDukeNukem]

It’s an airplane. Fly it.

[350driver]

They want to see if you can be trained.

That sentence usually has a few interpretations as for what it means.

Typically in the AC world it means

1. Show them you're respectful and make them feel like when they tell you something, that they're in the driver seat for a final opinion, not you.
2. Show them you have good reasons for the decisions you make
3. Show them that if they give you advice, you're not defending your point of view in lieu of accepting advice, even if you think your idea is better.
4. Show them that if you screw up, if given another chance, you learned from your mistake.

Seems like guys with less than 2000 hours are the ones getting a sim eval, so if that's you, that usually suggests the interview went pretty good and they just want to make sure you can operate an airliner.

If you really want to impress them

Watch this 1 hour video on AC 767 ops. Shows you everything from the mannerism, to the operation, to the 767 about Air Canada.
57:35 for a few min shows a great example of personality/attitude they're looking for in our flight decks.
1H mark shows how they do an approach briefing.

I'd say if they can visualize that you even look, sound, or are able to operate like an AC pilot, that would probably show that you did some research and willingness to demonstrate that you are willing to go over and beyond to fit in.

Of course whatever 'study' material they give you, is more important to learn than a youtube video.

Which if you're sub 2000 hours is probably a great attribute, given you probably didn't have to go up north and throw bags into the back of a king air for 6000 hours like a lot of the guys that joined AC before you back in the day (many of which are the types who are going to be in a position to evaluate you these days).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PT5MqtOdZao&t=4344s

Good luck

[twa22]

They want to see if you can be trained.

That sentence usually has a few interpretations as for what it means.

Typically in the AC world it means

1. Show them you're respectful and make them feel like when they tell you something, that they're in the driver seat for a final opinion, not you.
2. Show them you have good reasons for the decisions you make
3. Show them that if they give you advice, you're not defending your point of view in lieu of accepting advice, even if you think your idea is better.
4. Show them that if you screw up, if given another chance, you learned from your mistake.

Seems like guys with less than 2000 hours are the ones getting a sim eval, so if that's you, that usually suggests the interview went pretty good and they just want to make sure you can operate an airliner.

If you really want to impress them

Watch this 1 hour video on AC 767 ops. Shows you everything from the mannerism, to the operation, to the 767 about Air Canada.
57:35 for a few min shows a great example of personality/attitude they're looking for in our flight decks.
1H mark shows how they do an approach briefing.

I'd say if they can visualize that you even look, sound, or are able to operate like an AC pilot, that would probably show that you did some research and willingness to demonstrate that you are willing to go over and beyond to fit in.

Of course whatever 'study' material they give you, is more important to learn than a youtube video.

Which if you're sub 2000 hours is probably a great attribute, given you probably didn't have to go up north and throw bags into the back of a king air for 6000 hours like a lot of the guys that joined AC before you back in the day (many of which are the types who are going to be in a position to evaluate you these days).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PT5MqtOdZao&t=4344s

Good luck

Who is getting hired at AC with sub 2000 hours? Last I heard, 2000 was the bare minimums to interview.

[piedpiper]

Correct. ATPL and 2000 hours.

If AC started taking lower they'd also have to do so from Jazz as the agreement states Jazz minimums can't be higher than OTS. And that would pillage Jazz of pilots even more than it already is.

[Tbayer2021]

Correct. ATPL and 2000 hours.

If AC started taking lower they'd also have to do so from Jazz as the agreement states Jazz minimums can't be higher than OTS. And that would pillage Jazz of pilots even more than it already is.

Lol some people never learn.

[350driver]

Pretty sure it’s the offer that has to go out above 2000/atpl

They can interview and sim eval them before.

Someone know something different?

[NEBOJSA]

Is every Boeing still operated in KG or is it in LBS now.

[piedpiper]

Is every Boeing still operated in KG or is it in LBS now.

AC uses KG for everything. Except fuel uplifts can be in L.

[flieslikeachicken]

Are people being hired with 2000 hours?

[350driver]

Judging by the new hire bios it's definitely not experience we're getting anymore.

[JazzStuart]

It’s an airplane. Fly it.

Thank you for your insightful and helpful advice on this post... NOT!

[GodlvlPilot]

It’s an airplane. Fly it.

Thank you for your insightful and helpful advice on this post... NOT!

I am with capt here.

I find it unhealthy how many pilots would rather learn how to pass by knowing what's on the check vs learning how to pass generally. Its a very unhealthy mindset in this industry

[PostmasterGeneral]

It’s an airplane. Fly it.

Thank you for your insightful and helpful advice on this post... NOT!

Give me a break You should know how to fly an airplane by the point in your career that you’re applying to AC. If you’re instead trying to pass with some sort of “intel”, you’re not going to get very far.

[Flathead05]

There is no “intel” for this sim eval. It’s a basic IFR ride flown with raw data only. They don’t expect you to know how to fly a 767 or even a jet. They will explain everything you need to know.

So yes, just fly it

[cjp]

I've noticed the people seeking lots of advanced information for a certain assessment are covering for significant knowledge gaps. Any sim eval at this level, with such a wide variety of experienced candidates coming in, needs to be generic. It's IFR basic skillsets being checked, everything else they need to provide.

That said, when did the 767 sim eval become a thing? I've been out of the Air Canada hiring process for over a decade.

[cdnavater]

I've noticed the people seeking lots of advanced information for a certain assessment are covering for significant knowledge gaps. Any sim eval at this level, with such a wide variety of experienced candidates coming in, needs to be generic. It's IFR basic skillsets being checked, everything else they need to provide.

That said, when did the 767 sim eval become a thing? I've been out of the Air Canada hiring process for over a decade.

The sim eval is not for all candidates, I believe if you are less than 2000 hours, you will have to be assessed in the sim. As for how long it’s been a thing, seems like maybe a yearish.

[altiplano]

I've noticed the people seeking lots of advanced information for a certain assessment are covering for significant knowledge gaps. Any sim eval at this level, with such a wide variety of experienced candidates coming in, needs to be generic. It's IFR basic skillsets being checked, everything else they need to provide.

That said, when did the 767 sim eval become a thing? I've been out of the Air Canada hiring process for over a decade.

While I don't disagree that there are "knowledge gaps" and obviously significant experience gaps incoming... this is a helluva opportunity for guys that have maybe never even been in a jet or airline operation or even a sim. You can't fault guys for trying to get an idea of what to expect. Hell we have a dummy charging desperate people money for his snake oil on how to pass your ATP or author a resume...

I'll tell you that they'll get a lot more out of easing their nerves by knowing a few basics on what to expect than paying jackwads that don't know shit.

Anyone through it recently and hired would be good to farm some karma and pay it forward for these guys.

[AvCanaduh]

Essentially its a PPC with low expectations and an instructor walking you thru it. Arrive early and wear a suit, its and extension of your interview. Watch the just planes 767 videos on YouTube to get an idea of SOP's but they don't expect much, just that you can work the the other candidate you are paired with. Practice hold entries as well as you will each get one. You will have about a 10 minute rundown with the instructor and some time with a your partner to read over a package that goes over speeds and procedures to use during the flight. Its quite basic and you will bring the papers into the sim so you dont need to memorize it per se. You are evaluated as PF and PM. Take off, climb, descend, engine failure, hold, steep turn in imc, instrument approach, V1 cut, visual circuit. About 1.2hrs per candidate with a quick break in-between. The hold seems to be the biggest deal to them, they want to see the right entry flown. As previously mentioned trainability and teamwork is whats being evaluated, and so if you mess something up they may let you try it again and if theres improvement theyll like to see that. Thats about it! Good luck to all

[altiplano]

Well... Holds are easy... just go line by line verbally on the FMC page and verify it's on the legs page/mfd.... and put in the EFC time. FMC hold are a piece of cake...

[BTD]

Well... Holds are easy... just go line by line verbally on the FMC page and verify it's on the legs page/mfd.... and put in the EFC time. FMC hold are a piece of cake...

I don’t believe the fmc is used for the holds during the sim eval. Old fashioned style.

[AvCanaduh]

That is correct. No FMC or flight directors. Tune and identity VOR's & ILS's. The RMI comes in handy.

[altiplano]

What?! That's ridiculous... are they doing LOC BC and NDB approaches too?

Mind you around the time I was hired at AC I was pretty recent at that type of thing...

[JazzStuart]

It’s an airplane. Fly it.

Thank you for your insightful and helpful advice on this post... NOT!

I am with capt here.

I find it unhealthy how many pilots would rather learn how to pass by knowing what's on the check vs learning how to pass generally. Its a very unhealthy mindset in this industry

Obviously if you have scored a sim eval at mainline by this point, you know how to fly a variety of different aircrafts and in an IFR environment (This obviously goes without saying...) OP is simply trying to do everything in his means to secure a successful evaluation with flying colors! The only unhealthy mindset in this industry is pilots like you with your condescending comments / suggestions!!! Do better, be better