Flight Attendant strike vote opens on July 28th

[Canpilot7]

For the crowd shedding tears for the FA's, you likely were not around for all the years of Service Directors bragging about earning more than the First Officer. Or the painful years of "Me Too" clauses where the corp repeatedly told the Pilots; "whatever we give you, we have to give to all the other Unions."

Finally, the Pilots have broken away from that nonsense and the FA's got a wake-up call. From the Corporation side this is now the template for all the other Unions. My only hope is the AME's, now that they are free from the Rampies, will make some overdue improvements.

Two things:

1) Was it not the pilots who ratified by 90% a deal that had pilots being paid less than Flight Attendants?

How is that the Flight Attendant's fault?

2) Why did ACPA give a rats ass about "Me Too" Clauses with FAs? Do big ALPA unions worry about what the FAs do?!?!

Check out yammer if you really want to know how this group feels about us. You simply haven’t been here long enough to understand this group animosity against us, while some ppl bend over backwards for them, it’s embarrassing.

Some on yammer are wanting epaulettes on FA uniforms.

Don’t really even need the inside knowledge, their union is pretty up front and public about negative pilot talk

[thepoors]

Some are making $200k/year by the end of their career that's how.

What's the problem with that? If someone puts in their time and spends 40+ years at a company they should be very well compensated.

I've never understood this mindset of being upset that other people are doing well. If you have a problem with it, it's probably because you're not being adequately compensated yourself. Your enemy is not the person making more, it's the company that thinks you're worth less. We should all be encouraging better pay and working conditions for everyone, not putting them down.

[TeePeeCreeper]

Some are making $200k/year by the end of their career that's how.

I've never understood this mindset of being upset that other people are doing well. If you have a problem with it, it's probably because you're not being adequately compensated yourself. Your enemy is not the person making more, it's the company that thinks you're worth less. We should all be encouraging better pay and working conditions for everyone, not putting them down.

Very well said.

TPC

[Hangry]

Some are making $200k/year by the end of their career that's how.

What's the problem with that? If someone puts in their time and spends 40+ years at a company they should be very well compensated.

I've never understood this mindset of being upset that other people are doing well. If you have a problem with it, it's probably because you're not being adequately compensated yourself. Your enemy is not the person making more, it's the company that thinks you're worth less. We should all be encouraging better pay and working conditions for everyone, not putting them down.

It’s a very Canadian thing. Crab in the bucket mentality.

[flyingcanuck]

Some are making $200k/year by the end of their career that's how.

What's the problem with that? If someone puts in their time and spends 40+ years at a company they should be very well compensated.

I've never understood this mindset of being upset that other people are doing well. If you have a problem with it, it's probably because you're not being adequately compensated yourself. Your enemy is not the person making more, it's the company that thinks you're worth less. We should all be encouraging better pay and working conditions for everyone, not putting them down.

Agreed, also those FAs (who are service directors) are doing lots and lots of overtime. They arent making that on the regular block. So saying they make 200k is misleading.

[Stu Pidasso]

Some are making $200k/year by the end of their career that's how.

That is a T4 I would have to see, to believe. For sure there a plenty topping 100K, which is grossly overpaid considering the requirements for the job. I highly doubt anyone could hit 200?

[7ECA]

That is a T4 I would have to see, to believe. For sure there a plenty topping 100K, which is grossly overpaid considering the requirements for the job. I highly doubt anyone could hit 200?

Spoken like someone who hasn't recently had a public facing job.

You can bitch and moan all you want about how being an FA isn't a "profession", but it's not as though being a pilot has any higher standards - did you have enough money to get the hours and pass the exams, congratulations here's your licence. Then it's, did you have the right connections and some luck to get in "the club"?

Frankly, this kind of attitude in the industry is why things are so backasswards when it comes to WAWCON. Be happy when another employee group makes gains, and work to use those gains as leverage in your own bargaining for improvements. FFS, wages are such a small percentage of the companies expenses they'll hardly notice it if they give you or any other group a raise - but if you create your own strife and division amongst yourselves, it's great for the company.

[piedpiper]

That is a T4 I would have to see, to believe. For sure there a plenty topping 100K, which is grossly overpaid considering the requirements for the job. I highly doubt anyone could hit 200?

Spoken like someone who hasn't recently had a public facing job.

You can bitch and moan all you want about how being an FA isn't a "profession", but it's not as though being a pilot has any higher standards - did you have enough money to get the hours and pass the exams, congratulations here's your licence. Then it's, did you have the right connections and some luck to get in "the club"?

Frankly, this kind of attitude in the industry is why things are so backasswards when it comes to WAWCON. Be happy when another employee group makes gains, and work to use those gains as leverage in your own bargaining for improvements. FFS, wages are such a small percentage of the companies expenses they'll hardly notice it if they give you or any other group a raise - but if you create your own strife and division amongst yourselves, it's great for the company.

Sorry bro if you think an FA job is work TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS a year, you're crazy.

Front facing job or not.

[Dry Guy]

Where did I say I was upset about it? The question was, "I dont know how AC finds people who want to work for those wages under those conditions."

[flieslikeachicken]

Sorry bro if you think an FA job is work TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS a year, you're crazy.

Front facing job or not.

If the company chooses to pay someone that much money, then it's obviously worth that much to them.

[Stu Pidasso]

That is a T4 I would have to see, to believe. For sure there a plenty topping 100K, which is grossly overpaid considering the requirements for the job. I highly doubt anyone could hit 200?

Spoken like someone who hasn't recently had a public facing job.

You can bitch and moan all you want about how being an FA isn't a "profession", but it's not as though being a pilot has any higher standards - did you have enough money to get the hours and pass the exams, congratulations here's your licence. Then it's, did you have the right connections and some luck to get in "the club"?

Frankly, this kind of attitude in the industry is why things are so backasswards when it comes to WAWCON. Be happy when another employee group makes gains, and work to use those gains as leverage in your own bargaining for improvements. FFS, wages are such a small percentage of the companies expenses they'll hardly notice it if they give you or any other group a raise - but if you create your own strife and division amongst yourselves, it's great for the company.

Just to be clear, in your view of the world order a hotel front desk clerk is worth a six figure salary, or an Airline Ticket Agent, how about the cashier at McDonalds?

[7ECA]

Just to be clear, in your view of the world order a hotel front desk clerk is worth a six figure salary, or an Airline Ticket Agent, how about the cashier at McDonalds?

You'll note we were speaking about Flight Attendants, not the jobs you just mentioned.

When it comes to a safety critical aviation job, such as an FA, why is it inconceivable to you (and others) that top of scale employees could potentially bring in this sort of a salary?

I get it, some people think Pilots are the be all end all of jobs, but the fact that you (and others) continually want to step on the heads of others to raise yourselves up is disgusting. This level of division and divisiveness serves only the companies interests, not employees. So much for solidarity.

[Stu Pidasso]

I am not punching down on Flight Attendants; however I do believe in keeping it real and honest. I trust (by your posts) that you are not a Pilot?

Find me another job that you can get with ZERO Prerequisites, take a few week company paid course, a lifetime of free workwear, a Pension and an excellent benefit package. Plus, work your way to a six+ figure salary.

Air Canada Flight Attendants are very well compensated. As for the lack of solidarity, put that right at the foot of CUPE and the In-Flight Department.

No other Airline on the Planet has the dynamic that AC does, where FA's have such a delusional view of their place in the food chain.

[digits_]

I am not punching down on Flight Attendants; however I do believe in keeping it real and honest. I trust (by your posts) that you are not a Pilot?

Find me another job that you can get with ZERO Prerequisites, take a few week company paid course, a lifetime of free workwear, a Pension and an excellent benefit package. Plus, work your way to a six+ figure salary.

True, but it's probably more valuable to look at the average seniority and attrition of flight attendants vs pilots. Flight attendants can easily find jobs in other sectors that pay similarly. Customer service skills can be quite valuable.

Lifestyle is a big reason as to why pilots are highly compensated. Flight attendants are very similarly affected by the negative aspects of said lifestyle.

If AC were to slash top pilot wages by 50%, the impact would be relatively minor, there simply aren't many places to go for pilots that would still pay somewhat similarly. Flight attendants are much more mobile.

I don't think it's far fetched that flight attendants make more than some FOs and/or at some point perhaps even captains. The economic arguments are hard to argue with.

[BigGreen]

I am not punching down on Flight Attendants; however I do believe in keeping it real and honest. I trust (by your posts) that you are not a Pilot?

Find me another job that you can get with ZERO Prerequisites, take a few week company paid course, a lifetime of free workwear, a Pension and an excellent benefit package. Plus, work your way to a six+ figure salary.

Air Canada Flight Attendants are very well compensated. As for the lack of solidarity, put that right at the foot of CUPE and the In-Flight Department.

No other Airline on the Planet has the dynamic that AC does, where FA's have such a delusional view of their place in the food chain.

Stu, are you just upset from getting turned down one night from a flight attendant?

Your endless mission to fight against another employee group who in some circumstances get compensated below minimum wage is beyond pathetic.

Don't worry, Artificial Intelligence will soon replace flight attendants, and of course pilots so maybe then you can finally figure it out that battling against colleagues is a huge distraction to what is really going on...

[Mac08]

I am not punching down on Flight Attendants; however I do believe in keeping it real and honest. I trust (by your posts) that you are not a Pilot?

Find me another job that you can get with ZERO Prerequisites, take a few week company paid course, a lifetime of free workwear, a Pension and an excellent benefit package. Plus, work your way to a six+ figure salary.

Air Canada Flight Attendants are very well compensated. As for the lack of solidarity, put that right at the foot of CUPE and the In-Flight Department.

No other Airline on the Planet has the dynamic that AC does, where FA's have such a delusional view of their place in the food chain.

Stu, are you just upset from getting turned down one night from a flight attendant?

Your endless mission to fight against another employee group who in some circumstances get compensated below minimum wage is beyond pathetic.

Don't worry, Artificial Intelligence will soon replace flight attendants, and of course pilots so maybe then you can finally figure it out that battling against colleagues is a huge distraction to what is really going on...

This guy gets it. Hasn't let it go.