Skynorth air

[cfall]

Can anyone shed light on the Skynorth ads. A few months ago they posted they wanted 500 multi pic for copilots. Ad is now removed and they now post they want “500-1000 hours total time( must be in this range)”.

[mmm...bacon]

500 hours TT is probably a government requirement for medevac pilots in Manitoba; the fact that SNA has dropped their requirements is just a reflection of the current hiring environment. They probably were not getting any resumes at 500MPIC...

[C-GGGQ]

500 hours TT is probably a government requirement for medevac pilots in Manitoba; the fact that SNA has dropped their requirements is just a reflection of the current hiring environment. They probably were not getting any resumes at 500MPIC...

Correct. 500tt for fo’s and i think 1500 and 500 pic is bare minimum for captains. Used to be 500 multipic was required but that was dropped maybe 2 years ago to just 500 pic fueling speculation that the govt was considering a switch from A multi turbine requirment on the contract to pc12’s.

[nappo787]

30k, and they probably won't pay it in full while training, how miserable they are.

[khedrei]

You will literally make more at macdonalds. And you won't be stuck for 18 months without being in debt 30k.

[cfall]

I get the 500 for the bottom but what about the max of 1000?

[C-GGGQ]

Probably cause anything higher is a “flight risk” to the airlines in under a year

[DeathPencil]

Does anyone have an update on SkyNorth and what a realistic salary to expect for them is? Their recent job posting says some Captains earned over $200k but I'm sure those are the senior captains and in rare circumstances. As far as what I've heard they increase salary every year you're at the company and you get paid per NM flown over a certain amount. They make the job ad sound very appealing but what's the reality of the situation?

[Knowyouraudience]

Recent captain here. The reality is beware, everything at Skynorth is a fight. When you’re sick they won’t believe you. Snag a plane, they’ll call bullshit. Need a heater or new extension chord for the plane in winter? Good luck!! Strict adherence to sops? Hahaha, the director of flight ops literally told me he doesn’t care what I do illegal as long as he doesn’t hear about it. He’s also their acp, so if you can’t pass a ride anywhere else you’d have a good chance here, multiple times I’ve been pulled aside and told right before line indoc on a new recruit (capt and fo) hey, this one actually shouldn’t have passed his ride but we’re too short pilots to fail any, other times they didn’t even warn me, nice to find that out at 4am on a 2500ft gravel landing….Make $200k LMAO, if you fly broken planes and do a ton of overtime, you’ll get close (but you can do that anywhere) also, you’ll have to fly broken planes anyway because that’s all they have, as they fired and/or forced out (treated badly till they quit) their best mechanics. They post about captains making 200 but get you in trouble if you talk about it (citing privacy and they don’t want others to know and get jealous..) they literally try in every situation to control free speech. Oh, there’s a honeymoon phase for the first few months, but that fades pretty quickly if you have any backbone at all.

[Busdriver2222]

Recent captain here. The reality is beware, everything at Skynorth is a fight. When you’re sick they won’t believe you. Snag a plane, they’ll call bullshit. Need a heater or new extension chord for the plane in winter? Good luck!! Strict adherence to sops? Hahaha, the director of flight ops literally told me he doesn’t care what I do illegal as long as he doesn’t hear about it. He’s also their acp, so if you can’t pass a ride anywhere else you’d have a good chance here, multiple times I’ve been pulled aside and told right before line indoc on a new recruit (capt and fo) hey, this one actually shouldn’t have passed his ride but we’re too short pilots to fail any, other times they didn’t even warn me, nice to find that out at 4am on a 2500ft gravel landing….Make $200k LMAO, if you fly broken planes and do a ton of overtime, you’ll get close (but you can do that anywhere) also, you’ll have to fly broken planes anyway because that’s all they have, as they fired and/or forced out (treated badly till they quit) their best mechanics. They post about captains making 200 but get you in trouble if you talk about it (citing privacy and they don’t want others to know and get jealous..) they literally try in every situation to control free speech. Oh, there’s a honeymoon phase for the first few months, but that fades pretty quickly if you have any backbone at all.

The reality is Skynorth is a 703, if you go there with a chip on your shoulder expecting it to be Air Canada then you’re going to be disappointed. If you go there with realistic expectations and a good attitude then you’ll have a good time and make good money. The 200K ads are a stretch, a few made that, but worked lots. However as a low time pilot you’re going to be making great money, not as much as a 777 captain, but for driving a king air around with your buddies, making 130-150+ isn’t too bad. I agree that one new senior manager drove good engineers away sadly, however my experience with maintenance at Skynorth was good, again, this isn’t a 705… if you show up expecting wide-body 705 maintenance then you’ll be disappointed. The CP, Ops Manager, General Manager, and Dir. of Maintenance (as well as owners when I was there, I can’t speak for the new owners) are great guys - if you treat them with respect they’ll treat you with respect and in my opinion, having worked at multiple 703’s, are some of the best management you’re going to find in the 703 world. Driving “broken” planes is just how things are (even at the airlines), that being said, I never got any push back from management or maintenance on safety items… yes you’re going to be flying with no autopilot or broken this-and-that sometimes, but that’s the reality of 703. Overall Skynorth is a great place to work for low-mid time pilots, it’s not a career gig, but I made some of the best memories of my career there and worked with some fantastic people. It is what you make of it.

[digits_]

but for driving a king air around with your buddies, making 130-150+ isn’t too bad.

Flying around with your buddies is what you do on a sunny Sunday afternoon. Not at 3 am in -30 in Shamattawa...

Driving “broken” planes is just how things are (even at the airlines), that being said, I never got any push back from management or maintenance on safety items… yes you’re going to be flying with no autopilot or broken this-and-that sometimes, but that’s the reality of 703.

I have the impression you've chosen your words very carefully here. What's your definition of broken? Is it limited to properly MEL'd defects?

[‘Bob’]

Recent captain here. The reality is beware, everything at Skynorth is a fight. When you’re sick they won’t believe you. Snag a plane, they’ll call bullshit. Need a heater or new extension chord for the plane in winter? Good luck!! Strict adherence to sops? Hahaha, the director of flight ops literally told me he doesn’t care what I do illegal as long as he doesn’t hear about it. He’s also their acp, so if you can’t pass a ride anywhere else you’d have a good chance here, multiple times I’ve been pulled aside and told right before line indoc on a new recruit (capt and fo) hey, this one actually shouldn’t have passed his ride but we’re too short pilots to fail any, other times they didn’t even warn me, nice to find that out at 4am on a 2500ft gravel landing….Make $200k LMAO, if you fly broken planes and do a ton of overtime, you’ll get close (but you can do that anywhere) also, you’ll have to fly broken planes anyway because that’s all they have, as they fired and/or forced out (treated badly till they quit) their best mechanics. They post about captains making 200 but get you in trouble if you talk about it (citing privacy and they don’t want others to know and get jealous..) they literally try in every situation to control free speech. Oh, there’s a honeymoon phase for the first few months, but that fades pretty quickly if you have any backbone at all.

The reality is Skynorth is a 703, if you go there with a chip on your shoulder expecting it to be Air Canada then you’re going to be disappointed. If you go there with realistic expectations and a good attitude then you’ll have a good time and make good money. The 200K ads are a stretch, a few made that, but worked lots. However as a low time pilot you’re going to be making great money, not as much as a 777 captain, but for driving a king air around with your buddies, making 130-150+ isn’t too bad. I agree that one new senior manager drove good engineers away sadly, however my experience with maintenance at Skynorth was good, again, this isn’t a 705… if you show up expecting wide-body 705 maintenance then you’ll be disappointed. The CP, Ops Manager, General Manager, and Dir. of Maintenance (as well as owners when I was there, I can’t speak for the new owners) are great guys - if you treat them with respect they’ll treat you with respect and in my opinion, having worked at multiple 703’s, are some of the best management you’re going to find in the 703 world. Driving “broken” planes is just how things are (even at the airlines), that being said, I never got any push back from management or maintenance on safety items… yes you’re going to be flying with no autopilot or broken this-and-that sometimes, but that’s the reality of 703. Overall Skynorth is a great place to work for low-mid time pilots, it’s not a career gig, but I made some of the best memories of my career there and worked with some fantastic people. It is what you make of it.

Maybe Manitoba or NWO/NU/YT/NWT 703. Most other 703 operations have made it out of the 20th century.

[Knowyouraudience]

Recent captain here. The reality is beware, everything at Skynorth is a fight. When you’re sick they won’t believe you. Snag a plane, they’ll call bullshit. Need a heater or new extension chord for the plane in winter? Good luck!! Strict adherence to sops? Hahaha, the director of flight ops literally told me he doesn’t care what I do illegal as long as he doesn’t hear about it. He’s also their acp, so if you can’t pass a ride anywhere else you’d have a good chance here, multiple times I’ve been pulled aside and told right before line indoc on a new recruit (capt and fo) hey, this one actually shouldn’t have passed his ride but we’re too short pilots to fail any, other times they didn’t even warn me, nice to find that out at 4am on a 2500ft gravel landing….Make $200k LMAO, if you fly broken planes and do a ton of overtime, you’ll get close (but you can do that anywhere) also, you’ll have to fly broken planes anyway because that’s all they have, as they fired and/or forced out (treated badly till they quit) their best mechanics. They post about captains making 200 but get you in trouble if you talk about it (citing privacy and they don’t want others to know and get jealous..) they literally try in every situation to control free speech. Oh, there’s a honeymoon phase for the first few months, but that fades pretty quickly if you have any backbone at all.

The reality is Skynorth is a 703, if you go there with a chip on your shoulder expecting it to be Air Canada then you’re going to be disappointed. If you go there with realistic expectations and a good attitude then you’ll have a good time and make good money. The 200K ads are a stretch, a few made that, but worked lots. However as a low time pilot you’re going to be making great money, not as much as a 777 captain, but for driving a king air around with your buddies, making 130-150+ isn’t too bad. I agree that one new senior manager drove good engineers away sadly, however my experience with maintenance at Skynorth was good, again, this isn’t a 705… if you show up expecting wide-body 705 maintenance then you’ll be disappointed. The CP, Ops Manager, General Manager, and Dir. of Maintenance (as well as owners when I was there, I can’t speak for the new owners) are great guys - if you treat them with respect they’ll treat you with respect and in my opinion, having worked at multiple 703’s, are some of the best management you’re going to find in the 703 world. Driving “broken” planes is just how things are (even at the airlines), that being said, I never got any push back from management or maintenance on safety items… yes you’re going to be flying with no autopilot or broken this-and-that sometimes, but that’s the reality of 703. Overall Skynorth is a great place to work for low-mid time pilots, it’s not a career gig, but I made some of the best memories of my career there and worked with some fantastic people. It is what you make of it.

[quote=Knowyouraudience post_id=<a href="tel:1355060">1355060</a> time=<a href="tel:1775402239">1775402239</a> user_id=110258]
Recent captain here. The reality is beware, everything at Skynorth is a fight. When you’re sick they won’t believe you. Snag a plane, they’ll call bullshit. Need a heater or new extension chord for the plane in winter? Good luck!! Strict adherence to sops? Hahaha, the director of flight ops literally told me he doesn’t care what I do illegal as long as he doesn’t hear about it. He’s also their acp, so if you can’t pass a ride anywhere else you’d have a good chance here, multiple times I’ve been pulled aside and told right before line indoc on a new recruit (capt and fo) hey, this one actually shouldn’t have passed his ride but we’re too short pilots to fail any, other times they didn’t even warn me, nice to find that out at 4am on a 2500ft gravel landing….Make $200k LMAO, if you fly broken planes and do a ton of overtime, you’ll get close (but you can do that anywhere) also, you’ll have to fly broken planes anyway because that’s all they have, as they fired and/or forced out (treated badly till they quit) their best mechanics. They post about captains making 200 but get you in trouble if you talk about it (citing privacy and they don’t want others to know and get jealous..) they literally try in every situation to control free speech. Oh, there’s a honeymoon phase for the first few months, but that fades pretty quickly if you have any backbone at all.

The reality is Skynorth is a 703, if you go there with a chip on your shoulder expecting it to be Air Canada then you’re going to be disappointed. If you go there with realistic expectations and a good attitude then you’ll have a good time and make good money. The 200K ads are a stretch, a few made that, but worked lots. However as a low time pilot you’re going to be making great money, not as much as a 777 captain, but for driving a king air around with your buddies, making 130-150+ isn’t too bad. I agree that one new senior manager drove good engineers away sadly, however my experience with maintenance at Skynorth was good, again, this isn’t a 705… if you show up expecting wide-body 705 maintenance then you’ll be disappointed. The CP, Ops Manager, General Manager, and Dir. of Maintenance (as well as owners when I was there, I can’t speak for the new owners) are great guys - if you treat them with respect they’ll treat you with respect and in my opinion, having worked at multiple 703’s, are some of the best management you’re going to find in the 703 world. Driving “broken” planes is just how things are (even at the airlines), that being said, I never got any push back from management or maintenance on safety items… yes you’re going to be flying with no autopilot or broken this-and-that sometimes, but that’s the reality of 703. Overall Skynorth is a great place to work for low-mid time pilots, it’s not a career gig, but I made some of the best memories of my career there and worked with some fantastic people. It is what you make of it.
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[Knowyouraudience]

I’ve met many “fantastic” people who shouldn’t be in the position they’re in…Pilots, ame’s, managers, Skynorth has a few in every department….

[Knowyouraudience]

Recent captain here. The reality is beware, everything at Skynorth is a fight. When you’re sick they won’t believe you. Snag a plane, they’ll call bullshit. Need a heater or new extension chord for the plane in winter? Good luck!! Strict adherence to sops? Hahaha, the director of flight ops literally told me he doesn’t care what I do illegal as long as he doesn’t hear about it. He’s also their acp, so if you can’t pass a ride anywhere else you’d have a good chance here, multiple times I’ve been pulled aside and told right before line indoc on a new recruit (capt and fo) hey, this one actually shouldn’t have passed his ride but we’re too short pilots to fail any, other times they didn’t even warn me, nice to find that out at 4am on a 2500ft gravel landing….Make $200k LMAO, if you fly broken planes and do a ton of overtime, you’ll get close (but you can do that anywhere) also, you’ll have to fly broken planes anyway because that’s all they have, as they fired and/or forced out (treated badly till they quit) their best mechanics. They post about captains making 200 but get you in trouble if you talk about it (citing privacy and they don’t want others to know and get jealous..) they literally try in every situation to control free speech. Oh, there’s a honeymoon phase for the first few months, but that fades pretty quickly if you have any backbone at all.

The reality is Skynorth is a 703, if you go there with a chip on your shoulder expecting it to be Air Canada then you’re going to be disappointed. If you go there with realistic expectations and a good attitude then you’ll have a good time and make good money. The 200K ads are a stretch, a few made that, but worked lots. However as a low time pilot you’re going to be making great money, not as much as a 777 captain, but for driving a king air around with your buddies, making 130-150+ isn’t too bad. I agree that one new senior manager drove good engineers away sadly, however my experience with maintenance at Skynorth was good, again, this isn’t a 705… if you show up expecting wide-body 705 maintenance then you’ll be disappointed. The CP, Ops Manager, General Manager, and Dir. of Maintenance (as well as owners when I was there, I can’t speak for the new owners) are great guys - if you treat them with respect they’ll treat you with respect and in my opinion, having worked at multiple 703’s, are some of the best management you’re going to find in the 703 world. Driving “broken” planes is just how things are (even at the airlines), that being said, I never got any push back from management or maintenance on safety items… yes you’re going to be flying with no autopilot or broken this-and-that sometimes, but that’s the reality of 703. Overall Skynorth is a great place to work for low-mid time pilots, it’s not a career gig, but I made some of the best memories of my career there and worked with some fantastic people. It is what you make of it.

[quote=Knowyouraudience post_id=<a href="tel:1355060">1355060</a> time=<a href="tel:1775402239">1775402239</a> user_id=110258]
Recent captain here. The reality is beware, everything at Skynorth is a fight. When you’re sick they won’t believe you. Snag a plane, they’ll call bullshit. Need a heater or new extension chord for the plane in winter? Good luck!! Strict adherence to sops? Hahaha, the director of flight ops literally told me he doesn’t care what I do illegal as long as he doesn’t hear about it. He’s also their acp, so if you can’t pass a ride anywhere else you’d have a good chance here, multiple times I’ve been pulled aside and told right before line indoc on a new recruit (capt and fo) hey, this one actually shouldn’t have passed his ride but we’re too short pilots to fail any, other times they didn’t even warn me, nice to find that out at 4am on a 2500ft gravel landing….Make $200k LMAO, if you fly broken planes and do a ton of overtime, you’ll get close (but you can do that anywhere) also, you’ll have to fly broken planes anyway because that’s all they have, as they fired and/or forced out (treated badly till they quit) their best mechanics. They post about captains making 200 but get you in trouble if you talk about it (citing privacy and they don’t want others to know and get jealous..) they literally try in every situation to control free speech. Oh, there’s a honeymoon phase for the first few months, but that fades pretty quickly if you have any backbone at all.

The reality is Skynorth is a 703, if you go there with a chip on your shoulder expecting it to be Air Canada then you’re going to be disappointed. If you go there with realistic expectations and a good attitude then you’ll have a good time and make good money. The 200K ads are a stretch, a few made that, but worked lots. However as a low time pilot you’re going to be making great money, not as much as a 777 captain, but for driving a king air around with your buddies, making 130-150+ isn’t too bad. I agree that one new senior manager drove good engineers away sadly, however my experience with maintenance at Skynorth was good, again, this isn’t a 705… if you show up expecting wide-body 705 maintenance then you’ll be disappointed. The CP, Ops Manager, General Manager, and Dir. of Maintenance (as well as owners when I was there, I can’t speak for the new owners) are great guys - if you treat them with respect they’ll treat you with respect and in my opinion, having worked at multiple 703’s, are some of the best management you’re going to find in the 703 world. Driving “broken” planes is just how things are (even at the airlines), that being said, I never got any push back from management or maintenance on safety items… yes you’re going to be flying with no autopilot or broken this-and-that sometimes, but that’s the reality of 703. Overall Skynorth is a great place to work for low-mid time pilots, it’s not a career gig, but I made some of the best memories of my career there and worked with some fantastic people. It is what you make of it.

Air Canada isn’t everyone’s goal….and nobody said anything about making 777 wages….realistic expectations? I expect (and the federal government agrees) that we all can lawfully expect a safe work environment, no matter the wage. Getting yelled at for snagging a plane for a chip detector because quote “now we have to do the proper procedure and it will take twice long” is unacceptable. Snagging a plane up north and getting yelled at because you should have brought it to ywg…and the opposite as well, getting yelled at because I brought the plane down to ywg when I should have snagged it up north (all legal because I was in the air when it happened)…having the owner (greg) pushing for me to fly past 14hrs because it’s acceptable in his eyes….and just for good measure, cocaine and liquor found hidden at residences (we all knew who this was) and when it was brought to managements attention, the one who reported it got in trouble….i guess that’s what you mean by realistic expectations and great memories…? great place for low time pilots? The amount of pilots that paid out their bond to leave Skynorth when I was there is unheard of anywhere else. Also WOW, are you seriously trying to normalize flying broken planes….someone who drank the koolaid or a manager posting I suspect.
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[Knowyouraudience]

but for driving a king air around with your buddies, making 130-150+ isn’t too bad.

Flying around with your buddies is what you do on a sunny Sunday afternoon. Not at 3 am in -30 in Shamattawa...

Driving “broken” planes is just how things are (even at the airlines), that being said, I never got any push back from management or maintenance on safety items… yes you’re going to be flying with no autopilot or broken this-and-that sometimes, but that’s the reality of 703.

I have the impression you've chosen your words very carefully here. What's your definition of broken? Is it limited to properly MEL'd defects?

Most of the people wouldn’t know how to mel or defer anything. And as for most pilots, they fly all week trying to get miles for the bonus then maybe snag the plane at the end of their shift (or not) and dump it on the next crew. Then most crews take that same plane and fly all week again…..vicious cycle. Then whoever finally snags the plane with 12 items gets in shit from management because they say there’s no way 12 things broke all at once…..no shit!!!

[JustHappyToBeHere]

Does anyone have an update on SkyNorth and what a realistic salary to expect for them is? Their recent job posting says some Captains earned over $200k but I'm sure those are the senior captains and in rare circumstances. As far as what I've heard they increase salary every year you're at the company and you get paid per NM flown over a certain amount. They make the job ad sound very appealing but what's the reality of the situation?

It's pretty evident Knowyouraudience is airing out some frustrations from behind the computer screen. Working conditions are good, company is good, money is great. Busdriver summarized it really well but feel free to send me a PM if you want more info

[digits_]

It's pretty evident Knowyouraudience is airing out some frustrations from behind the computer screen.

Perhaps. Are any of his allegations incorrect? What % of pilots leaves before their bond is done? That could help future pilots determine their chances they would eventually see things from Knowyouraudience's perspective.